the death penalty

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I do tend to agree with the concept in general, I just have a hard time using money to justify killing someone. I have no problem with the death penalty. It just strikes me wrong when people use a dollars and cents argument to justify it.
well I can see your reluctance to allow money to be a source of judgement.
I personally would rather see my money go to an assistance program to to give medical care to impovershed people rather than provide health care to a murderer or pedophile. I dont want my money giving cable to a man who raped a woman so he can watch skinemax and fantasize about doing it again it would be better served feeding a homeless person so they dont starve (or commit in an crime to prevent themselves from starving). I'd rather pay to heat a homeless shelter than pay to heat a maximum security prison.

 

[bronco300]

my idea is to take texas...push it away from the states and make it an alcatraz...

but in reality i don't for the most part agree with the death penalty...there a way to put them to work a bit better doing crappy jobs that need to be done? better than what they do now that is

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Bronco300
my idea is to take texas...push it away from the states and make it an alcatraz...

but in reality i don't for the most part agree with the death penalty...there a way to put them to work a bit better doing crappy jobs that need to be done? better than what they do now that is
lol, the problem is we don't have all that much crime in texas, we all own guns. And the morons that do try to rob up end up dead. Besides, we'll turn em into republicans and I'm sure you will love that...

 

[jtrzerocool]

i am totally with reefkprZ on this one...and for the most disturbing crimes i am all for bringing back the firing squad...

 

[toeknee]

Death penalty is the easy way out, I say let them drop the soap over and over again.

 

[jtrzerocool]

Originally Posted by ruaround
countdown to lock down... 5, 4, 3, ...
why would we lock this thread? this is no different then abortion...

 

[reefreak29]

eye for an eye, alot less crime

 

[jennythebugg]

oh bronco but we like texas....i agree with reefkprZ and i believe that the vast majority (not all) but most of the people who are against the death penalty have never been raped or molested or had someone like their child raped /molested or murdered that changes your views real fast. i used to oppose the death penalty until my ex did what he did, they gave him 9 years, 9 YEARS for what he did ! he said he couldnt stop himself , what kind of psycho/sociopath would it take to be your best friend since jr high (14 years), be there for the birth of those girls as well as every birthday party, every christmas, then do that to them? i dont believe there is any coming back from that esp. considering most (not all) molestors and rapists get out and do the same thing again. i'd rather look like a bad guy saying what ive said than have that happen to my babies again

 

[reefraff]

Use the death penalty to eliminate the ACLU so we can once again make prison an unpleasent experience. My son's butt is in Iraq getting shot at. He doesn't get AC, cable TV, dirty magazines, conjugal visits, libraries etc. Why should we be providing these things to dirtbags in prisons?
Lets make prisons back into prison, then life without parol would actually be a punishment.

 

[dogstar]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
lol, the problem is we don't have all that much crime in texas, we all own guns. And the morons that do try to rob up end up dead. Besides, we'll turn em into republicans and I'm sure you will love that...
In 2006, Texas had a higher per capita murder rate than any of the states that do not have a death penalty ( 12 ) with the one exception of Michigan. And eight states with a death penalty have a higher rate than Michigan. No State without a DP ranked higher than 29th other than Michigan and Texas was 33rd. Michigan was 42nd.

 

[jonthefishguy]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Use the death penalty to eliminate the ACLU so we can once again make prison an unpleasent experience. My son's butt is in Iraq getting shot at. He doesn't get AC, cable TV, dirty magazines, conjugal visits, libraries etc. Why should we be providing these things to dirtbags in prisons?
Lets make prisons back into prison, then life without parol would actually be a punishment.

Then all the softhearted sympathetic people of the world would whine and cry how we are not treating them fairly. As it was mentioned earlier, most who do not like death penalty and are against it, never had it close to home. Opinions change when it happens. Now if it has hit close to home and they still feel against it, then they at least have been on the otherside of the fence and can actually say, death wouldnt make the situation any better. However, DEATH to the criminal most of the time, brings closure to the victims and their families and therefor should be allowed. FRY THEM LIKE BACON!!!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
In 2006, Texas had a higher per capita murder rate than any of the states that do not have a death penalty ( 13 ) with the one exception of Michigan. And eight states with a death penalty have a higher rate than Michigan. No State without a DP ranked higher than 29th other than Michigan and Texas was 33rd. Michigan was 42nd.
really? I would have never guessed.
I've personally been in some of the worse parts of Texas border towns of elpaso, south dallas, houston, and have felt safer there than a few other places. Maybe because it was home who knows. You want to know what is funny. DC is the worst on that list (no death penalty). Followed by Louisiana and Maryland.
As far as the argument about deterence, capital punishment is not primarily meant to "send a message" to other criminals. It is meant to punish the criminal for his crimes. If it were the other way around, we would be having "public" hangings in town squares . It does what it was intended to do, stop this person from doing such things again.

 

[dogstar]

But doesnt keeping them in prison do that. You mentioned the word deternce.....if the numbers show a possibility that not haveing a DP could lower the number of murders, then would you not be in favor of saveing some innocent people's lives...

 

[jonthefishguy]

Okay there is a difference between the justice system then and now. Today we are finding that those who were prosecuted then are actually innocent or not guilty of the crime. But today, if you are accused of a crime, chances are you are guilty. The system isnt flawless however how many people on tv that are charged with a murder are actually guilty and the only thing that sets them free is a technicality or a VERY good lawyer. The only 2 that publically got away with murder and we all know they did it was OJ and Robert blake. Everyone else who was accused that made it to the news , we know they did it and they should be put to death. Personally I would like to see the Peterson guy get exactly what he did to his wife which is get weighed down in water , drown, revive him tell ask him if he saw lacey and do it again, revive him again, ask him if he saw his kid, drown him, revive him, and then finish him as he finished them.

 

[babyb]

Originally Posted by Toeknee
Death penalty is the easy way out, I say let them drop the soap over and over again.

hahaha that is so funny, harsh but oh so funny

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
But doesnt keeping them in prison do that. You mentioned the word deternce.....if the numbers show a possibility that not haveing a DP could lower the number of murders, then would you not be in favor of saveing some innocent people's lives...
By using those numbers and stipulating that the death penalty doesn't deter criminals you have to ignore every other factor influencing that those statistics. There are a multitude of other factors influencing those decisions.
I'm assuming that the people are guilty, they have had 10-15 years of appeals. The jury will only convict the person if there is no reasonable doubt. It is a statistical improbability to get past all that.

 

[dogstar]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
By using those numbers and stipulating that the death penalty doesn't deter criminals you have to ignore every other factor influencing that those statistics. There are a multitude of other factors influencing those decisions.

Im listening.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Dogstar

Im listening.
There are sociological, mental (in my mind anyone who does mass murders or brutal murders aresn't all there upstairs), economics (maybe they are getting paid), state and local laws/govt programs. Simply put you have to assume that an infinite number of factors are static, and the only fluid factor is capital punishment. And that is a leap that is not possible.
I don't nessasarily agree but one could argue that these criminals committed their crimes before the first wave of executions were done. Capital Punishment was reinstated in the late 70's if I remember right. Give 15 years per death row inmate They didn't really start the first wave of exicutions till the 1990s. The last I read most of the inmates in texas executed last year committed crimes in the 1980s. So maybe it hadn't sunk unto society. Today They aren't sending as many people to death row, like less than half the # we did in the 90's. so maybe people aren't committing such heinous crimes as to be sent there. ( I don't really buy into that so much because of my previously stated position of to many other variables) But it follows the same line of logic as the per capita murder rates being higher in death penalty states.

 

[salty blues]

The only problem with the death penalty is that it usually takes years to carry out while the evil sits in prison at taxpayer expense.

 

[florida joe]

Never thought of it that way lets make them stay in prison until they die of natural causes that will not cost us cent