the death penalty
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florida joe
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Originally Posted by kclester
dude your really taking stuff way to serious.....and this is about the death penalty it was my opinion on what to do about the people on the death penalty so it relates to it
Dude your right who would take the death penalty seriously anyway
dude your really taking stuff way to serious.....and this is about the death penalty it was my opinion on what to do about the people on the death penalty so it relates to it
Dude your right who would take the death penalty seriously anyway
jonthefishguy
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Originally Posted by Bronco300
but i'm not sure i could still say kill the man and watch them kill him...no matter how much i hate him.
Lets see your feelings change if once your own manhood was taken.
but i'm not sure i could still say kill the man and watch them kill him...no matter how much i hate him.
Lets see your feelings change if once your own manhood was taken.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Dogstar
stdreb, what the...the numbers are about murders being commited in the years posted.
Over all the rates have gone down, but the differences in the numbers are clear, consitaintly.
Now you can try to claim that " other circustances " can explain this and maybe some may beleive that. Perhaps that one is that a compasionate inviroment tends to create more compasionate people.
Ive heard many as well like weather or wealth ect, ect, and I dont buy it, No explination that makes since when you look at the numbers.....I tryed and could not follow your explination.
If time is a point with you then explain the ever widening gap between the percentages as " time goes by ".
Again, how can you and others be " so sure " that your beleif in a death penalty is saveing innocent peoples lives when these numbers show that there a possibility, a strong possibility, that its actually costing them. Perhaps even the loved ones many speak about when defending it.
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
stdreb, what the...the numbers are about murders being commited in the years posted.
Over all the rates have gone down, but the differences in the numbers are clear, consitaintly.
Now you can try to claim that " other circustances " can explain this and maybe some may beleive that. Perhaps that one is that a compasionate inviroment tends to create more compasionate people.
Ive heard many as well like weather or wealth ect, ect, and I dont buy it, No explination that makes since when you look at the numbers.....I tryed and could not follow your explination.
If time is a point with you then explain the ever widening gap between the percentages as " time goes by ".
Again, how can you and others be " so sure " that your beleif in a death penalty is saveing innocent peoples lives when these numbers show that there a possibility, a strong possibility, that its actually costing them. Perhaps even the loved ones many speak about when defending it.
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
jonthefishguy
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
Why else?
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
Why else?
dogstar
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
As far as me, it has nothing to do with why I dont murder. If it did with others, then wouldn't it make sence that states with a DP would have a lower murder rate than those without one ?
Well is the sole reason you don't commit murder because you don't want to be executed?
As far as me, it has nothing to do with why I dont murder. If it did with others, then wouldn't it make sence that states with a DP would have a lower murder rate than those without one ?
peef
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Ok I lied I have one more thing to say.....
I feel we should enstill the punishments like china has. If you steal something we cane your sorry but 15 times in town square. You cheat on your wife, 20 lashes. R ape a person death by firing squad. And so on and so forth. See how bad people really want to commit those crimes. I would fear that more than a squishy life in prison. Granted the first 5-10 would be terrible but the rest, eh, by then its all you know.
I feel we should enstill the punishments like china has. If you steal something we cane your sorry but 15 times in town square. You cheat on your wife, 20 lashes. R ape a person death by firing squad. And so on and so forth. See how bad people really want to commit those crimes. I would fear that more than a squishy life in prison. Granted the first 5-10 would be terrible but the rest, eh, by then its all you know.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Dogstar
As far as me, it has nothing to do with why I dont murder. If it did with others, then wouldn't it make sence that states with a DP would have a lower murder rate than those without one ?
On the contrary, you and me are part of that number of people in the statistic. And we all have our different reasons why we don't murder someone. Then it is very likely that the cause of the lower numbers is something other than capital punishment.
As far as me, it has nothing to do with why I dont murder. If it did with others, then wouldn't it make sence that states with a DP would have a lower murder rate than those without one ?
On the contrary, you and me are part of that number of people in the statistic. And we all have our different reasons why we don't murder someone. Then it is very likely that the cause of the lower numbers is something other than capital punishment.
jon321
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Originally Posted by salty blues
The only problem with the death penalty is that it usually takes years to carry out while the evil sits in prison at taxpayer expense.
That is why I dont think the death penalty works. They spend half a life sentence waiting to die anyways. I dont see why they cant simply be walked behind the courthouse and shot. Quick, simple, and cheap. If you take the rights of another person(s) why do you deserve any rights or respect.
I really dont like the sick punishments however. The death penalty shouldnt be about revenge, but rather about protecting society in the most efficient manner possible. Not that sick punishments wouldnt work...I had an aunt and uncle that were murdered and let me tell you if the murderer would have been tied up in a sound proof room with my grandpa it wouldnt have gone well for him...
Jon
The only problem with the death penalty is that it usually takes years to carry out while the evil sits in prison at taxpayer expense.
That is why I dont think the death penalty works. They spend half a life sentence waiting to die anyways. I dont see why they cant simply be walked behind the courthouse and shot. Quick, simple, and cheap. If you take the rights of another person(s) why do you deserve any rights or respect.
I really dont like the sick punishments however. The death penalty shouldnt be about revenge, but rather about protecting society in the most efficient manner possible. Not that sick punishments wouldnt work...I had an aunt and uncle that were murdered and let me tell you if the murderer would have been tied up in a sound proof room with my grandpa it wouldnt have gone well for him...
Jon
reefkprz
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to me its not just about "sending a message to other criminals" because a deranged person is going to do whatever never mind the consequences, but it is a gauranteed way to prevent them from doing it again, a rapist can ---- others in prison, a murderer can kill some one else in prison, a pedophile can fantasize about it in prison, then when he gets out do it again. we pay to keep them healthy and comfortable so they can have another chance to do it? to me thats ridiculous.
if the death penalty was expedited in a timely manner they wouldnt be sitting on death row for 20years they would get there appeal then when that fell through, then pszt done in the fastest most efficient manner possible. granting appeal after appeal is a waste of everything time rescources space in the system for someone who has a chance at actual rehabilitation.
I'm not trying to convince anyone I just felt like seeing what people thought about it, thats all. thanks everyone for your input. I know there are strong feelings on both sides of the fence, and thanks to everyone for not letting this turn nasty as it very well could have done.
if the death penalty was expedited in a timely manner they wouldnt be sitting on death row for 20years they would get there appeal then when that fell through, then pszt done in the fastest most efficient manner possible. granting appeal after appeal is a waste of everything time rescources space in the system for someone who has a chance at actual rehabilitation.
I'm not trying to convince anyone I just felt like seeing what people thought about it, thats all. thanks everyone for your input. I know there are strong feelings on both sides of the fence, and thanks to everyone for not letting this turn nasty as it very well could have done.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
The only 2 that publically got away with murder and we all know they did it was OJ and Robert blake. .
How do you know they did it, were you there? Got pictures? No witnesses, no murder weapon, no proof. Those kind of cases shouldn't be death penalty.
The only 2 that publically got away with murder and we all know they did it was OJ and Robert blake. .
How do you know they did it, were you there? Got pictures? No witnesses, no murder weapon, no proof. Those kind of cases shouldn't be death penalty.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by reefraff
How do you know they did it, were you there? Got pictures? No witnesses, no murder weapon, no proof. Those kind of cases shouldn't be death penalty.
oh snap OJ, that was so wierd, and why in the world was a multimillionaire driving an ugly blazer in LA? That always confounded me, sure in a rural area, or something, but in the middle of LA?
How do you know they did it, were you there? Got pictures? No witnesses, no murder weapon, no proof. Those kind of cases shouldn't be death penalty.
oh snap OJ, that was so wierd, and why in the world was a multimillionaire driving an ugly blazer in LA? That always confounded me, sure in a rural area, or something, but in the middle of LA?
dogstar
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
Then it is very likely that the cause of the lower numbers is something other than capital punishment.
No, I dont see why you can say that.
Give me your clear explination then.
I will admit that Im not smart enough to say why and I dont beleive most on this site could say why either. Know one other than you have tried ( kudos to you )
Now, Im not all about being lovey dovey, bleeding heart for the criminal, My consern is to create less victims.
But if you simply look at the numbers, to me thats reason enough. If one wanted to know, you collect the datd and look at the numbers. There there. That nearly all the states without a DP, constaintly and ever increaseingly have a lower rate of murder than most of the other states that do have a DP.
How can a person that seemingly cares about victims say that they dont care if the numbers show that theres a chance a few more innocent people ( even if its me, or a loved one ) will be killed this year in my state as long as that guy gets whats comeing to him. Then its all good with me. More money in my pocket or a fellow inmate will be safer now. Or whatevr.
Im not claiming that people feel like that, or maybe they do, I hope not. But when the numbers are there and you refuse to even consider them, well ??
What is your priority?
Then it is very likely that the cause of the lower numbers is something other than capital punishment.
No, I dont see why you can say that.
Give me your clear explination then.
I will admit that Im not smart enough to say why and I dont beleive most on this site could say why either. Know one other than you have tried ( kudos to you )
Now, Im not all about being lovey dovey, bleeding heart for the criminal, My consern is to create less victims.
But if you simply look at the numbers, to me thats reason enough. If one wanted to know, you collect the datd and look at the numbers. There there. That nearly all the states without a DP, constaintly and ever increaseingly have a lower rate of murder than most of the other states that do have a DP.
How can a person that seemingly cares about victims say that they dont care if the numbers show that theres a chance a few more innocent people ( even if its me, or a loved one ) will be killed this year in my state as long as that guy gets whats comeing to him. Then its all good with me. More money in my pocket or a fellow inmate will be safer now. Or whatevr.
Im not claiming that people feel like that, or maybe they do, I hope not. But when the numbers are there and you refuse to even consider them, well ??
What is your priority?
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
No, I dont see why you can say that.
Give me your clear explination then.
I will admit that Im not smart enough to say why and I dont beleive most on this site could say why either. Know one other than you have tried ( kudos to you )
Now, Im not all about being lovey dovey, bleeding heart for the criminal, My consern is to create less victims.
But if you simply look at the numbers, to me thats reason enough. If one wanted to know, you collect the datd and look at the numbers. There there. That nearly all the states without a DP, constaintly and ever increaseingly have a lower rate of murder than most of the other states that do have a DP.
How can a person that seemingly cares about victims say that they dont care if the numbers show that theres a chance a few more innocent people ( even if its me, or a loved one ) will be killed this year in my state as long as that guy gets whats comeing to him. Then its all good with me. More money in my pocket or a fellow inmate will be safer now. Or whatevr.
Im not claiming that people feel like that, or maybe they do, I hope not. But when the numbers are there and you refuse to even consider them, well ??
What is your priority?
I'm not debating the numbers, they are what they are. I'm not saying that it does or does not deter criminals. It does play a small roll in what I feel about capital punishment. I simply cannot conclude either way that capital punishment does not deter murderers.
Maybe this will make more sense, did you realise that everyone that has cancer drank water? Is water the cause of cancer? I mean the numbers would prove that EVERYONE that has cancer and an intake of water.
Well of course this is rediculous, water is not the cause of cancer, there are other factors that cause this, exposure to carcinogens, hereditary genes just bad luck. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, the numbers show that states without death penalty have a lower murder rate, but is it because of the death penalty, or something else?
No, I dont see why you can say that.
Give me your clear explination then.
I will admit that Im not smart enough to say why and I dont beleive most on this site could say why either. Know one other than you have tried ( kudos to you )
Now, Im not all about being lovey dovey, bleeding heart for the criminal, My consern is to create less victims.
But if you simply look at the numbers, to me thats reason enough. If one wanted to know, you collect the datd and look at the numbers. There there. That nearly all the states without a DP, constaintly and ever increaseingly have a lower rate of murder than most of the other states that do have a DP.
How can a person that seemingly cares about victims say that they dont care if the numbers show that theres a chance a few more innocent people ( even if its me, or a loved one ) will be killed this year in my state as long as that guy gets whats comeing to him. Then its all good with me. More money in my pocket or a fellow inmate will be safer now. Or whatevr.
Im not claiming that people feel like that, or maybe they do, I hope not. But when the numbers are there and you refuse to even consider them, well ??
What is your priority?
I'm not debating the numbers, they are what they are. I'm not saying that it does or does not deter criminals. It does play a small roll in what I feel about capital punishment. I simply cannot conclude either way that capital punishment does not deter murderers.
Maybe this will make more sense, did you realise that everyone that has cancer drank water? Is water the cause of cancer? I mean the numbers would prove that EVERYONE that has cancer and an intake of water.
Well of course this is rediculous, water is not the cause of cancer, there are other factors that cause this, exposure to carcinogens, hereditary genes just bad luck. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, the numbers show that states without death penalty have a lower murder rate, but is it because of the death penalty, or something else?
dogstar
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
Yeah, the numbers show that states without death penalty have a lower murder rate, but is it because of the death penalty, or something else?
Thank you.
As to your question, I dont know.
But for the sake of those that insist on haveing a DP. I hope its something else.
Yeah, the numbers show that states without death penalty have a lower murder rate, but is it because of the death penalty, or something else?
Thank you.
As to your question, I dont know.
But for the sake of those that insist on haveing a DP. I hope its something else.
1journeyman
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States that have a DP often struggle with higher crime and institute the DP as a way to deter crime. That explains why state's with the DP have higher crime rates...