The Pledge of Allegiance in schools

shinobi9119

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we have it everyday over the intercom in the morning. One time a kid who had been doin announcements for a long time skipped the under god line.. administration freaked out n almost kicked him off of the announcements f he ever did it again..
 
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surfinusa

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Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2556384
thats totally not cool. pretty immature, actually, and thats coming from a teenage girl (an expert on immaturity). your going to get this thread locked.
Agreed, i'm only 11 and I think that is extremely immature.
 
michaeltx

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Yes alot of what is being said has been immature and if it continues another thread will be locked because of it. keep it on base on what your thoughts are about the pledge and the requirment to say it in schools.
Mike
 
rudedog40

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I was just in my daughter's middle school the other morning while the principal was doing announcements. This was the order:
1) Pledge of Allegiance
2) Pledge to the State of Texas
3) 30 second moment of silence (for reflecting your own beliefs).
You read it right. Here in the great State of Texas, we have our own pledge, and all schools are required to recite it. That was one of Gov. Bush's great ideas. I also like the 'moment of silence' speel. Can't recite prayers outright, so give the bible thumpers time every morning to do it anyway.
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2556520
I was just in my daughter's middle school the other morning while the principal was doing announcements. This was the order:
1) Pledge of Allegiance
2) Pledge to the State of Texas
3) 30 second moment of silence (for reflecting your own beliefs).
You read it right. Here in the great State of Texas, we have our own pledge, and all schools are required to recite it. That was one of Gov. Bush's great ideas. I also like the 'moment of silence' speel. Can't recite prayers outright, so give the bible thumpers time every morning to do it anyway.

Theres is nothing wrong with a momment of silence to reflect on ones own personal beliefs . Does it mater if you pray or if you just silently meditate and focus your concentration ?
 
sepulatian

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I bet the OP, who is new to the boards (Welcome Hydrodamoper
The whole board is not like this. I promise!) did not have all of this in mind when he asked a simple question about pledging allegiance to our great flag and country.
 
acrylics

acrylics

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2555940
I hate seeing things change as well (for no reason and/or bad reasons). What were the reasons we started saying it in the first place? Why aren't they applicable today?
The "under God" part was added in the middle of the 20th century to "separate" ourselves (the USA) from "those godless communists", more specifically - the Soviet block. Whether this is still applicable is debatable as the Soviet block no longer exists.
We said it as children every AM, we knew the meaning and we were fine. No harm done and no negative side effects. I'd still say it to this day if I were in school and I still stand, remove my hat, and salute the flag as a symbol for all that this country has given me and allowed me to do. This is strictly a personal choice. You may choose not to but I would die or kill for you to have such choices, it's perfectly okay by me.
 
rudedog40

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2556534
Theres is nothing wrong with a momment of silence to reflect on ones own personal beliefs . Does it mater if you pray or if you just silently meditate and focus your concentration ?
Don't think they care. The school is just trying to be 'politically correct'. What's funny is most of the kids I saw were listening to their Ipods, picking their nose, doodling, or anything but praying or meditating.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2556643
If atheists don't believe in God, why are they bothered by something that they believe doesn't exist?
More importantly, why are they threatened by 30 seconds of silence?

Our Nation's very founding is forever tied to religious freedom, as well as a strong Judeo-Christian tradition. From the Ten Commandments, to the founding fathers praying before they wrote the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, to our National Motto.
No amount of lawsuits, shouts of "seperation of church and state" or internet chatter will ever be able to erase our Nation's history.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2555927
SHAW AS IF !
Seriously . It doesn't say to which god . So I think if you don't believe in god then you should hve no problem just not reciting that line but honestly this country could use a little bit more in the morals department.
solid point... but athiests might have something to say about the whole "god" word forcefully uttered...
i dont have a problem with it... what the pledge means to those of us that graduated up until the early 90's means something way different to our parents... and now with all the liberal everyone is special everyone has a voice BS the pledge means nothing because they would rather argue about ONE SINGLE word rather than look at the whole... frankly there are bigger fish to fry than the Pledge of Allegiance (but it is just that sticking up for your country and pledging Allegiance to the flag and this coundtry that gives people the right to voice their OPINION!!!
if you dont want to make that pledge then you can FO right out of this country and go pledge to something else!!!
 
sepulatian

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In my honest opinion, if you have a problem with the school and them having the pledge in the morning announcements, or any other religious aspect that may come up in school, then keep your kids home. Teach them yourself if public school is so bad. Find an atheist private school to teach the children, or home school them. You can teach them whatever morals you would like.
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2556660
More importantly, why are they threatened by 30 seconds of silence?

Our Nation's very founding is forever tied to religious freedom, as well as a strong Judeo-Christian tradition. From the Ten Commandments, to the founding fathers praying before they wrote the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, to our National Motto.
No amount of lawsuits, shouts of "seperation of church and state" or internet chatter will ever be able to erase our Nation's history.
I just wanted to quote you because I've never before experienced a person who I disagreed with on pretty much EVERY issue imaginable. You are the bizarro crimzy.

The common theme here seems to be "what is the harm in reciting the pledge". And to that, I agree that it's really pretty innocent, even if you don't believe in its virtue. However, I am not sure what the harm is in eliminating the pledge from a school setting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but school is a place for children to learn math, science, history, english, foreign language, etc. Why can't the parents take on the responsibility of teaching national loyalty and/or religious deference?
My guess is that, because no pro-pledge guys indicated that their kids recite the pledge in their own homes, that they don't want to go to the trouble of teaching these virtues in the home setting. Why are we so offended to discover that some people may be offended by the recitation of the pledge? YOU ARE THE PARENTS. YOU CAN TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ANY ETHICS/PRIORITIES THAT YOU HOLD DEAR. IF YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO GO TO THE TROUBLE YOURSELVES, WHY DOES THE SCHOOL NEED TO OBLIGATE ALL THE KIDS TO LEARN THE VALUES THAT YOU AGREE WITH?
 
sepulatian

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YOU ARE THE PARENTS. YOU CAN TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ANY ETHICS/PRIORITIES THAT YOU HOLD DEAR. IF YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO GO TO THE TROUBLE YOURSELVES, WHY DOES THE SCHOOL NEED TO OBLIGATE ALL THE KIDS TO LEARN THE VALUES THAT YOU AGREE WITH?
Wonderful, so home school your kids. Why should the entire public school sytem change for a few?
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2556752
Wonderful, so home school your kids. Why should the entire public school sytem change for a few?
School is for education. Do you think that if someone disagrees with the words that you hold dear, then they should be denied the same educational opportunities? That's pretty un-American.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2556743
I just wanted to quote you because I've never before experienced a person who I disagreed with on pretty much EVERY issue imaginable. You are the bizarro crimzy.

The common theme here seems to be "what is the harm in reciting the pledge". And to that, I agree that it's really pretty innocent, even if you don't believe in its virtue. However, I am not sure what the harm is in eliminating the pledge from a school setting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but school is a place for children to learn math, science, history, english, foreign language, etc. Why can't the parents take on the responsibility of teaching national loyalty and/or religious deference?
My guess is that, because no pro-pledge guys indicated that their kids recite the pledge in their own homes, that they don't want to go to the trouble of teaching these virtues in the home setting. Why are we so offended to discover that some people may be offended by the recitation of the pledge? YOU ARE THE PARENTS. YOU CAN TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ANY ETHICS/PRIORITIES THAT YOU HOLD DEAR. IF YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO GO TO THE TROUBLE YOURSELVES, WHY DOES THE SCHOOL NEED TO OBLIGATE ALL THE KIDS TO LEARN THE VALUES THAT YOU AGREE WITH?
realize that this is the US... the nation that you are pledging to... you are pledging ALLEGIANCE (look the word up i know its not on the bar) TO THIS COUNTRY!!! the country that lets you speak your mind... lets you as an individual not be persecuted for having a different opinion than 1journey or the government...go north or south and start up your practice there man... then come back here and beg to once again to have the right to say "i dont want to say the pledge and i dont want my kiddos to say it either"...
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2556753
School is for education. Do you think that if someone disagrees with the words that you hold dear, then they should be denied the same educational opportunities? That's pretty un-American.
i have no problem with your kids going into a sound proof padded room during the one thing that EVERY American should be unified over... heck if it wasnt for people pledging to this country those words you or i just spoke could be penalized by death...
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2556753
School is for education. Do you think that if someone disagrees with the words that you hold dear, then they should be denied the same educational opportunities? That's pretty un-American.
Is it? How? Public school does educate the majority of children and does not cater to the minorities who disagree with certain situations such as this. The children are being educated. They cannot and will not revise the entire curriculum for a few parents who think that they represent a culture. If you feel so strongly then attend some PTA meeting at your children's school. Address your locals and tell them your feelings on this. Again, you can send your children elsewhere, home school them, or you can deal with it. You do have a choice in the matter.
 
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