There's no voter fraud

jerthunter

jerthunter

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What about states that require a photo ID to register to vote? No registration, no vote. What's the difference.?
As far as I understand, states with voter ID laws have to provide free ids or provide for some exception otherwise they get overturned as unconstitutional.
There are other arguements that can be made to say requiring an ID is unfair but really those arguements are much more difficult to make.
My point is someone had to pay for voter IDs and if we cannot require each individual to pay for it due to the constitution then it needs to be paid forin some other way. So we need to do a cost benefit comparison. Would ids reduce fraud? Hopefully, but by how much and is that reduction worth the cost of implementing the program. I don't know that answer which is why I am not ready to jump on the voter id bandwagon.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3468942
As far as I understand, states with voter ID laws have to provide free ids or provide for some exception otherwise they get overturned as unconstitutional.
There are other arguements that can be made to say requiring an ID is unfair but really those arguements are much more difficult to make.
My point is someone had to pay for voter IDs and if we cannot require each individual to pay for it due to the constitution then it needs to be paid forin some other way. So we need to do a cost benefit comparison. Would ids reduce fraud? Hopefully, but by how much and is that reduction worth the cost of implementing the program. I don't know that answer which is why I am not ready to jump on the voter id bandwagon.
Jailing violent offenders doesn't make sense from a cost benefit analysis either but we do it.
 
jerthunter

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Quote: Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3468942


As far as I understand, states with voter ID laws have to provide free ids or provide for some exception otherwise they get overturned as unconstitutional.
There are other arguements that can be made to say requiring an ID is unfair but really those arguements are much more difficult to make.
My point is someone had to pay for voter IDs and if we cannot require each individual to pay for it due to the constitution then it needs to be paid forin some other way. So we need to do a cost benefit comparison. Would ids reduce fraud? Hopefully, but by how much and is that reduction worth the cost of implementing the program. I don't know that answer which is why I am not ready to jump on the voter id bandwagon.

Jailing violent offenders doesn't make sense from a cost benefit analysis either but we do it.

I put a high value on not being killed so locking up violent criminals makes sense for the cost to me. Keeping a few individuals from voting twice with no end change in the results of an election doesn't necessarily justify the cost.
 
darthtang aw

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I put a high value on not being killed so locking up violent criminals makes sense for the cost to me. Keeping a few individuals from voting twice with no end change in the results of an election doesn't necessarily justify the cost.
actually, from a cost stand point...killing violent offenders is better than locking them up.....i believe this was what reef was going after.
 
reefraff

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Zactly! Nothing is more important than insuring accurate elections. If I have my way we'd register with a thumb print and have to again use that print to have our ballot accepted once we vote.
 
jerthunter

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3469023
actually, from a cost stand point...killing violent offenders is better than locking them up.....i believe this was what reef was going after.
I have no issue with this, but there are large powerful groups that oppose the death penalty (Catholics for one) in any circumstance so it seems unlikely that a change would swing in this direction.
I also think we could save tax money if we stopped putting people in jail for recreational drug use except in cases were people hurt or endanger others, but again I doubt that change will come anytime soon.
 
jerthunter

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3469026
Zactly! Nothing is more important than insuring accurate elections. If I have my way we'd register with a thumb print and have to again use that print to have our ballot accepted once we vote.
I was thinking they could use a RFID chip, but some people are scared of Big Brother's control of us already.
And wanting totally accurate elections is a nobel goal, but I am of the opinion that there will never be a 100% fraud free anything. To me its like a graph of money/effort vs preventing fraud. Initially a small effort or small amount of money has a big impact on fraud reduction. But as you spend more and more money/effort, the amount of fraud reduction slows, always approaching 0 but never touching.
Just look at the elections in Russia recently. They spend millions of dollars at the last minute to install webcams into most, if not all, voting booths to try to prove they wasn't any fraud. But even so there were allegations of fraud in the election.
 
reefraff

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I think on election day this year I am going to put on a sheet and go hang out in front of a polling place with a aluminum baseball bat and see of the feds thinks it's voter intimidation LOL!
 
2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3469035
I think on election day this year I am going to put on a sheet and go hang out in front of a polling place with a aluminum baseball bat and see of the feds thinks it's voter intimidation LOL!
Well if you do then please let me know. I'm always on the hunt for good viral video ideas.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3469032
I was thinking they could use a RFID chip, but some people are scared of Big Brother's control of us already.
And wanting totally accurate elections is a nobel goal, but I am of the opinion that there will never be a 100% fraud free anything. To me its like a graph of money/effort vs preventing fraud. Initially a small effort or small amount of money has a big impact on fraud reduction. But as you spend more and more money/effort, the amount of fraud reduction slows, always approaching 0 but never touching.
Just look at the elections in Russia recently. They spend millions of dollars at the last minute to install webcams into most, if not all, voting booths to try to prove they wasn't any fraud. But even so there were allegations of fraud in the election.
http://www.implantedmicrochip.com/MicroChip_Press_Room.php
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/ns/health-health_care/t/fda-approves-computer-chip-humans/
 
jerthunter

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Not really sure how an ID would prevent this. I could probably go down any street in the us and buy a fake ID. I bet I could even get one that said my nmae was Eric Holder... If someone wants to commit fraud and/or commit identiy theft, they will always find a way.
Of course it is not generally a good idea to film yourself committing a crime, it usually makes it easier to convict that way.
 
ironeagle2006

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Easy have teh Voter Registration Rolls have a Picture of WHO is Supposed to Pick up the Ballet and then have the Poll workers Match the Pic on the Roll with the Pic on the ID they do not Match you do not VOTE trust me it would be a simple system to work. Why would it be easy every time you renew your DL or ID they take a new pic and that would be your NEW Voter ID Pic. SImple as hell to do and would prevent crap like this. Also that Worker was dumb as hell he never once looked up to see WTH was going on.
 
mantisman51

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Why are people tap dancing on this subject? Jerth, Bionic, do you guys want to stop illegals, felons and the dead from voting-and stop the tour buses being driven from poll to poll? I'm sure the answer is no, because you know they overwhelmingly vote for your side. Now since you'll both deny it, what is your solution? Oh right there is no problem, so ignore it, right? There's no winning with these democrats. They want the illegal vote and they will do whatever it takes to keep the illegal votes coming in. Yet even when a mirror is held up to their corruption, they think it doesn't make them evil, after all just doing what it takes to save the country from stupid and evil conservatives. So yeah, I'm sick of the dance.
 
mantisman51

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http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/young-white-activist-proves-that-without-voter-id-law-ag-eric-holders-ballot-easy-to-obtain/
Yeah, there's no problem.
p.s. Borrowed this from Ruben's brother.
 
reefraff

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Parties both have poll watchers who have a list of registered voters and check them off as the people come in and vote. At certain times the watcher will hand off a list of people who need to be called to be encouraged to come in and vote. Well, we had a Democrat who changed parties who told us what they did was had two lists, Democrat and Republican. If there was a close race they would wait until late and had off a list of Democrats to call and a list of Republicans that haven't voted. You can reach your own conclusion as to why they'd want that Republican list. All you needed was a name to vote. If it was on the precinct voter role and wasn't checked off you were handed a ballot.
 
jerthunter

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I'm not sure why someone would call me a democrat and say that I am for voter fraud but luckily those statements are untrue.
I am for democracy, I believe everyone should have the right to vote. Even if I don't agree with their vote, I will always defend their right to have it. Maybe it has something to do with my time in the military but I feel that its important for everyone to get their vote.
And of course I am opposed to voter fraud. If I believed the stories of fraud told here were true I would definately agree there is a major problem. One problem, I haven't seen anything legitiment to back up the claims, and I don't feel that voter IDs would do much to prevent voter fraud.
As far as the video posted, I guess it hard to find good free help these days... But it does give me a good idea. If I ever wish to commit a crime I can just videotape myself doing it and claim that I was just showing the weaknesses in the system.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/100#post_3469145
Parties both have poll watchers who have a list of registered voters and check them off as the people come in and vote. At certain times the watcher will hand off a list of people who need to be called to be encouraged to come in and vote. Well, we had a Democrat who changed parties who told us what they did was had two lists, Democrat and Republican. If there was a close race they would wait until late and had off a list of Democrats to call and a list of Republicans that haven't voted. You can reach your own conclusion as to why they'd want that Republican list. All you needed was a name to vote. If it was on the precinct voter role and wasn't checked off you were handed a ballot.
I'm not sure how this would work. Aren't there watchers from both parties present?
 
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