There's no voter fraud

oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Bionic i assume you mean a clone semi auto of the AK47.
The AK-47 is an NFA firearm and you need to pay the poll tax to own one.
If your buddy has a real AK he's looking at jail.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/40#post_3468565
Not necessarily, you don't need to drive to a polling station, there is walking, voting absentee, geting a free ride from someone else.
But if you have to buy an id for the sole purpose of voting, That is basically a poll tax.
What about states that require a photo ID to register to vote? No registration, no vote. What's the difference.?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468568
Bionic i assume you mean a clone semi auto of the AK47.
The AK-47 is an NFA firearm and you need to pay the poll tax to own one.
If your buddy has a real AK he's looking at jail.
I couldn't tell you what kind of AK it is, never looked at it. Unless he shoots someone with it and the cops are called, whose gonna know what type it is? You have thousands of "illegal" guns owned my a multitude of individuals who could care less what the law states. What's your point?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468629
I couldn't tell you what kind of AK it is, never looked at it. Unless he shoots someone with it and the cops are called, whose gonna know what type it is? You have thousands of "illegal" guns owned my a multitude of individuals who could care less what the law states. What's your point?
Nice to see you finally admit gun laws don't deter the crooks. .
You'd just need to hear the thing fired in auto mode to know it's illegal.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468631
Nice to see you finally admit gun laws don't deter the crooks. .
You'd just need to hear the thing fired in auto mode to know it's illegal.
If they enforced the proper gun laws, then the crooks wouldn't have the easy access to the guns. It's not just the crooks either. An Austin cop was shot and killed yesterday by some drunk causing problems in a local WalMart. The other day I read a story where some guy shot a person at a store due to an argument about too many items in the "20 items or less" checkout lane. Honest law abiding citizens with concealed carry licenses, or just some "crook" being stupid and shooting off his illegal to carry gun?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I would say 99.9% of americans, of legal age to vote, have a photo ID. Why would I say this?
One needs photo ID to: Drive, open a bank account, get a loan, to get insurance, purchase certain over the counter meds, buy liquor and beer, buy cigarettes, use a debit card or credit card, to get a passport, to fly on a plane even in the US, rent an apartment, write a check, to get a job, apply for social security or other so-called entitlements,get a hotel room, to get into movies with certain ratings, apply for concealed carry, buy a gun and lots of other items, apply for CDLs, apply for fishing and hunting permits, pesticide applicater permits for farmers, to get a PO box at the USPS, to adopt a pet, to get married, and likely hundred of other things I can't think of...
So who are we disenfranchising?
If, a photo ID is required for most things in our daily lives, Is it really a tax if required for voting. Since it is already required for many other things.
I would still make them be free, just to avoid the supreme court debate....but I don't see how it can be viewed as a tax anymore...
Bionic, Federal Law requires gun dealers to need to see photo ID for all gun sales.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468640
If they enforced the proper gun laws, then the crooks wouldn't have the easy access to the guns. It's not just the crooks either. An Austin cop was shot and killed yesterday by some drunk causing problems in a local WalMart. The other day I read a story where some guy shot a person at a store due to an argument about too many items in the "20 items or less" checkout lane. Honest law abiding citizens with concealed carry licenses, or just some "crook" being stupid and shooting off his illegal to carry gun?
You just stated crooks could care less what the law states so how would enforcing gun laws change anything except to mess with law abiding citizens.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468641
I would say 99.9% of americans, of legal age to vote, have a photo ID. Why would I say this?
One needs photo ID to: Drive, open a bank account, get a loan, to get insurance, purchase certain over the counter meds, buy liquor and beer, buy cigarettes, use a debit card or credit card, to get a passport, to fly on a plane even in the US, rent an apartment, write a check, to get a job, apply for social security or other so-called entitlements,get a hotel room, to get into movies with certain ratings, apply for concealed carry, buy a gun and lots of other items, apply for CDLs, apply for fishing and hunting permits, pesticide applicater permits for farmers, to get a PO box at the USPS, to adopt a pet, to get married, and likely hundred of other things I can't think of...
So who are we disenfranchising?
If, a photo ID is required for most things in our daily lives, Is it really a tax if required for voting. Since it is already required for many other things.
I would still make them be free, just to avoid the supreme court debate....but I don't see how it can be viewed as a tax anymore...
Bionic, Federal Law requires gun dealers to need to see photo ID for all gun sales.
Apparently there's a few million individuals out there that are legal age to vote that don't have Photo ID's that disagree with you. My aunt and uncle are two of them. My mother is 85 and in a nursing home. My sister has her Power Of Attorney, and handles all her affairs. She has no need whatsoever to have a Photo ID for what she does in her daily life. How many thousands of elderly people are there in her exact same situation?
If you purchase a firearm from a private individual, no ID is required. I bought my Remington 1100 shotgun from a guy about 15 years ago that was "friend of a friend". Handed him $200, and put the thing in my trunk. Made the transaction at a local bar at the time.
 
mantisman51

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People commit crime in automobiles everyday, causing accidents and a lot of times death-be it aggressive driving or drunk driving. Yet there's no call to ban them. Guns are proven, even by the fascist, anti-gun ATF and DOJ, to save thousands of lives and stop violent crimes a year, and yet people focus on the relatively few times guns are used in crime. There are 300 million guns and at least 100 million gun owners. 99.999999999999999% weren't used in a crime last year. But liberals don't care. It's the fear of the gun itself that scares them. Fear-based law is generally bad law and why it takes an informed electorate to keep corrupt Bloomturds and Clintons out of power and why voter fraud is something that needs stopped. There we go, around the horn and back.
 
reefraff

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I think making sure 10's of millions of honest voters aren't disenfranchised by democr..... People voting multiple times is worth the inconvenience of the few with no ID. I mean if you don't have a bank account, don't drive etc. how likely is it that you bother to vote?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Apparently there's a few million individuals out there that are legal age to vote that don't have Photo ID's that disagree with you.  My aunt and uncle are two of them.  My mother is 85 and in a nursing home.  My sister has her Power Of Attorney, and handles all her affairs.  She has no need whatsoever to have a Photo ID for what she does in her daily life.  How many thousands of elderly people are there in her exact same situation?
If you purchase a firearm from a private individual, no ID is required.  I bought my Remington 1100 shotgun from a guy about 15 years ago that was "friend of a friend".  Handed him $200, and put the thing in my trunk.  Made the transaction at a local bar at the time.
Did you register it? If so...you need to photo ID. If not, you broke the law.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Isn't there a federal registration on shotguns....I thought there was.
Edit...a bill of sale must be kept...I stand corrected.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468663
I think making sure 10's of millions of honest voters aren't disenfranchised by democr..... People voting multiple times is worth the inconvenience of the few with no ID. I mean if you don't have a bank account, don't drive etc. how likely is it that you bother to vote?
Go poll the elderly, specifically the one's living in retirement communities that question. The Republicans make such a big deal about voter fraud, yet during the 2010 mid-term elections, only 41% of the registered voting population even voted. Here in San Antonio, it was probably closer to 20%. Again, what would be gained by voting multiple times, a dead person, or your dog in a national general election? You couldn't garner up enough fraudulent votes to make a difference. If you honestly think that Obama could win because there's all these Democrats out there piling illegal voters into a back of a truck to send them out to vote 10 times each, you've been watching too many Hollywood movies.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468664
I guess the fact these people broke the law, thus becoming criminals is lost on you?
Were they defined as criminals before they pulled out thee guns and shot an innocent person, or were they law abiding gun carriers that never had a brush with the law before these incidents occurred?
 
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