There's no voter fraud
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bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468659
People commit crime in automobiles everyday, causing accidents and a lot of times death-be it aggressive driving or drunk driving. Yet there's no call to ban them. Guns are proven, even by the fascist, anti-gun ATF and DOJ, to save thousands of lives and stop violent crimes a year, and yet people focus on the relatively few times guns are used in crime. There are 300 million guns and at least 100 million gun owners. 99.999999999999999% weren't used in a crime last year. But liberals don't care. It's the fear of the gun itself that scares them. Fear-based law is generally bad law and why it takes an informed electorate to keep corrupt Bloomturds and Clintons out of power and why voter fraud is something that needs stopped. There we go, around the horn and back.
Again with the car analogy? Is that in some NRA handbook that you pull out anytime you want to defend gun ownership? What's the average monthly usage of your car, as opposed to you shooting off your firearms? I haven't shot my shotgun in almost 3 years. I drive my car every day for an average of an hour per day. Go on a trip out of the city, and multiply that time by 3 - 5 hours in a day. There's just as many cars as guns, but probably twice as many owners. Needless to say the accidental death statistics would be much higher for an owner of an automobile. 99.999999999999999%? Try again.
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.][13] ][14] ][15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,][17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/60#post_3468659
People commit crime in automobiles everyday, causing accidents and a lot of times death-be it aggressive driving or drunk driving. Yet there's no call to ban them. Guns are proven, even by the fascist, anti-gun ATF and DOJ, to save thousands of lives and stop violent crimes a year, and yet people focus on the relatively few times guns are used in crime. There are 300 million guns and at least 100 million gun owners. 99.999999999999999% weren't used in a crime last year. But liberals don't care. It's the fear of the gun itself that scares them. Fear-based law is generally bad law and why it takes an informed electorate to keep corrupt Bloomturds and Clintons out of power and why voter fraud is something that needs stopped. There we go, around the horn and back.
Again with the car analogy? Is that in some NRA handbook that you pull out anytime you want to defend gun ownership? What's the average monthly usage of your car, as opposed to you shooting off your firearms? I haven't shot my shotgun in almost 3 years. I drive my car every day for an average of an hour per day. Go on a trip out of the city, and multiply that time by 3 - 5 hours in a day. There's just as many cars as guns, but probably twice as many owners. Needless to say the accidental death statistics would be much higher for an owner of an automobile. 99.999999999999999%? Try again.
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.][13] ][14] ][15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,][17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year
darthtang aw
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Again with the car analogy? Is that in some NRA handbook that you pull out anytime you want to defend gun ownership? What's the average monthly usage of your car, as opposed to you shooting off your firearms? I haven't shot my shotgun in almost 3 years. I drive my car every day for an average of an hour per day. Go on a trip out of the city, and multiply that time by 3 - 5 hours in a day. There's just as many cars as guns, but probably twice as many owners. Needless to say the accidental death statistics would be much higher for an owner of an automobile. 99.999999999999999%? Try again.
Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13][14][15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year
A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard
A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year
Actually, there are roughly 350 million owned guns by private citizens. If you take your numbers...and do the math. 99.9% of guns are NOT used in crimes.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468703
Actually, there are roughly 350 million owned guns by private citizens. If you take your numbers...and do the math. 99.9% of guns are NOT used in crimes.
That you're aware of. What percentage of those guns are rarely used? How many times in the last 5 years have you been in a situation where you've had to draw your weapon? I've never used my shotgun for any type of protection. Only thing I've ever shot it at were doves, quail, and clay targets. How many of those guns are used on a daily basis, as oppossed to automobile usage? You could own 10 guns, but only pull them out of the cabinet 2 or 3 times per year. So of course that percentage would be high. There's two clowns in jail today that probably never used their guns in a crime prior to shooting them in these incidents. We had another shooting just the other morning at a local bar. A bunch of women got into some cat fight on the dance floor, and the club kicked everyone out to the parking lot. Next thing you know, 10 to 12 shots were fired, and some guy got hit in the chest. Yet another criminal, or an irresponsible gun owner?
Here's some guy shooting three guys dead, and two more are injured. He may hit a few more before they find him:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11072844-shooter-targeting-blacks-in-tulsa-oklahoma?lite
Some girl gets shot while sleeping:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11070618-miami-cops-girl-15-shot-as-she-sleeps-in-her-bed
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468703
Actually, there are roughly 350 million owned guns by private citizens. If you take your numbers...and do the math. 99.9% of guns are NOT used in crimes.
That you're aware of. What percentage of those guns are rarely used? How many times in the last 5 years have you been in a situation where you've had to draw your weapon? I've never used my shotgun for any type of protection. Only thing I've ever shot it at were doves, quail, and clay targets. How many of those guns are used on a daily basis, as oppossed to automobile usage? You could own 10 guns, but only pull them out of the cabinet 2 or 3 times per year. So of course that percentage would be high. There's two clowns in jail today that probably never used their guns in a crime prior to shooting them in these incidents. We had another shooting just the other morning at a local bar. A bunch of women got into some cat fight on the dance floor, and the club kicked everyone out to the parking lot. Next thing you know, 10 to 12 shots were fired, and some guy got hit in the chest. Yet another criminal, or an irresponsible gun owner?
Here's some guy shooting three guys dead, and two more are injured. He may hit a few more before they find him:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11072844-shooter-targeting-blacks-in-tulsa-oklahoma?lite
Some girl gets shot while sleeping:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11070618-miami-cops-girl-15-shot-as-she-sleeps-in-her-bed
mantisman51
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If 1/4 of those "gun crimes", which I'd bet are inflated, are used in multiple times which they usually are, then the percentage goes down even further. And the fact that our tax dollars are being used by Federal and state governments to brainwash people into giving up their God-given, not government-given rights, demonstrates the point that voter ID laws are necessary because the same unscrupulous politicians who use the power of their office and the money of the people to advance a policy of clearly unConstitutional gun bans by brainwashing the citizenry, shows that the are unscrupulous enough to stuff ballot boxes and have every dead person voting early and often. See how nicely I keep it on topic?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468706
That you're aware of. What percentage of those guns are rarely used? How many times in the last 5 years have you been in a situation where you've had to draw your weapon? I've never used my shotgun for any type of protection. Only thing I've ever shot it at were doves, quail, and clay targets. How many of those guns are used on a daily basis, as oppossed to automobile usage? You could own 10 guns, but only pull them out of the cabinet 2 or 3 times per year. So of course that percentage would be high. There's two clowns in jail today that probably never used their guns in a crime prior to shooting them in these incidents. We had another shooting just the other morning at a local bar. A bunch of women got into some cat fight on the dance floor, and the club kicked everyone out to the parking lot. Next thing you know, 10 to 12 shots were fired, and some guy got hit in the chest. Yet another criminal, or an irresponsible gun owner?
Here's some guy shooting three guys dead, and two more are injured. He may hit a few more before they find him:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11072844-shooter-targeting-blacks-in-tulsa-oklahoma?lite
Some girl gets shot while sleeping:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11070618-miami-cops-girl-15-shot-as-she-sleeps-in-her-bed
And so how do you know those involved in the shooting aren't criminals? How many unsolved crimes are there in Oklahomely and Miami each year? And your point that there are 350 million guns we know of you make the Tang's argument even stronger if there are even more guns than he assumes. If doesn't change the fact more people die as a direct result of Automobile and water usage each year than guns.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468706
That you're aware of. What percentage of those guns are rarely used? How many times in the last 5 years have you been in a situation where you've had to draw your weapon? I've never used my shotgun for any type of protection. Only thing I've ever shot it at were doves, quail, and clay targets. How many of those guns are used on a daily basis, as oppossed to automobile usage? You could own 10 guns, but only pull them out of the cabinet 2 or 3 times per year. So of course that percentage would be high. There's two clowns in jail today that probably never used their guns in a crime prior to shooting them in these incidents. We had another shooting just the other morning at a local bar. A bunch of women got into some cat fight on the dance floor, and the club kicked everyone out to the parking lot. Next thing you know, 10 to 12 shots were fired, and some guy got hit in the chest. Yet another criminal, or an irresponsible gun owner?
Here's some guy shooting three guys dead, and two more are injured. He may hit a few more before they find him:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11072844-shooter-targeting-blacks-in-tulsa-oklahoma?lite
Some girl gets shot while sleeping:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11070618-miami-cops-girl-15-shot-as-she-sleeps-in-her-bed
And so how do you know those involved in the shooting aren't criminals? How many unsolved crimes are there in Oklahomely and Miami each year? And your point that there are 350 million guns we know of you make the Tang's argument even stronger if there are even more guns than he assumes. If doesn't change the fact more people die as a direct result of Automobile and water usage each year than guns.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468715
And so how do you know those involved in the shooting aren't criminals? How many unsolved crimes are there in Oklahomely and Miami each year? And your point that there are 350 million guns we know of you make the Tang's argument even stronger if there are even more guns than he assumes. If doesn't change the fact more people die as a direct result of Automobile and water usage each year than guns.
Of course there are more deaths by autombiles, because they are used 100,000 times more each day than a gun. Use a gun as often as you use a car, and see what your statistics would be.
At what point do you define someone a "criminal"? If these people had a criminal record, including a felony, then they are violating federal laws by owning a gun in the first place.
The kid who shot and killed the Austin cop was a successful software engineer who recently graduated with honors and was working for HP. He was battling depression over the loss of his girlfriend. Yea, he sounds like a hardened criminal...
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mom-man-accused-in-1410091.html
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468715
And so how do you know those involved in the shooting aren't criminals? How many unsolved crimes are there in Oklahomely and Miami each year? And your point that there are 350 million guns we know of you make the Tang's argument even stronger if there are even more guns than he assumes. If doesn't change the fact more people die as a direct result of Automobile and water usage each year than guns.
Of course there are more deaths by autombiles, because they are used 100,000 times more each day than a gun. Use a gun as often as you use a car, and see what your statistics would be.
At what point do you define someone a "criminal"? If these people had a criminal record, including a felony, then they are violating federal laws by owning a gun in the first place.
The kid who shot and killed the Austin cop was a successful software engineer who recently graduated with honors and was working for HP. He was battling depression over the loss of his girlfriend. Yea, he sounds like a hardened criminal...
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mom-man-accused-in-1410091.html
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468714
If 1/4 of those "gun crimes", which I'd bet are inflated, are used in multiple times which they usually are, then the percentage goes down even further. And the fact that our tax dollars are being used by Federal and state governments to brainwash people into giving up their God-given, not government-given rights, demonstrates the point that voter ID laws are necessary because the same unscrupulous politicians who use the power of their office and the money of the people to advance a policy of clearly unConstitutional gun bans by brainwashing the citizenry, shows that the are unscrupulous enough to stuff ballot boxes and have every dead person voting early and often. See how nicely I keep it on topic?
God-given right to own a gun?
Show me in the Bible where God states that every human being has the right to own a destructive weapon that violates the tenets of one of his Ten Commnadments. You've been brainwashed by the NRA into thinking that unless you can walk around with a gun strapped on your waist, you're destined to die a slow and agonizing death by some criminal who is just waiting to gun you down for no apparent reason. People who don't care for guns, and have no desire to own them, don't live in your world or paranoia thinking that someone is always out to get them. Gun fanatics like you are the scary ones. Just look at this kid in Austin. Newly graduated college student with a bright future, and goes off the deep end into a depressive state because his girlfriend left him. Next thing you know, he's getting drunk and charged with DUI, then starts drinking while taking Xanax and ends up in an altercation at a Walmart in the middle of the night. He scuffles with a cop out in the parking lot, his gun comes out, and he shoots the cop in the neck killing him on the spot. Now instead of that bright future, he's facing the potential of the death penalty. Would this have occurred if he never owned a gun?
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468714
If 1/4 of those "gun crimes", which I'd bet are inflated, are used in multiple times which they usually are, then the percentage goes down even further. And the fact that our tax dollars are being used by Federal and state governments to brainwash people into giving up their God-given, not government-given rights, demonstrates the point that voter ID laws are necessary because the same unscrupulous politicians who use the power of their office and the money of the people to advance a policy of clearly unConstitutional gun bans by brainwashing the citizenry, shows that the are unscrupulous enough to stuff ballot boxes and have every dead person voting early and often. See how nicely I keep it on topic?
God-given right to own a gun?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468757
Of course there are more deaths by autombiles, because they are used 100,000 times more each day than a gun. Use a gun as often as you use a car, and see what your statistics would be.
At what point do you define someone a "criminal"? If these people had a criminal record, including a felony, then they are violating federal laws by owning a gun in the first place.
The kid who shot and killed the Austin cop was a successful software engineer who recently graduated with honors and was working for HP. He was battling depression over the loss of his girlfriend. Yea, he sounds like a hardened criminal...
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mom-man-accused-in-1410091.html
More deaths is more deaths.What does it matter if cars are used more often? Their existence leads to more deaths in this country than firearms do. In a strange place I like to call reality you can't wave a wand and make all the evil guns disappear so you amend the constitution or in the case of 0bama find a loop hole to deny citizens their constitutional right to own guns. You just increased crime by the number of times citizens use a gun to prevent said crimes every year which is a hard number to pin down. Plus you remove the deterrent armed citizens provide against crime. You'd spike crime in this country unlike anything seen in recorded history.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468757
Of course there are more deaths by autombiles, because they are used 100,000 times more each day than a gun. Use a gun as often as you use a car, and see what your statistics would be.
At what point do you define someone a "criminal"? If these people had a criminal record, including a felony, then they are violating federal laws by owning a gun in the first place.
The kid who shot and killed the Austin cop was a successful software engineer who recently graduated with honors and was working for HP. He was battling depression over the loss of his girlfriend. Yea, he sounds like a hardened criminal...
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mom-man-accused-in-1410091.html
More deaths is more deaths.What does it matter if cars are used more often? Their existence leads to more deaths in this country than firearms do. In a strange place I like to call reality you can't wave a wand and make all the evil guns disappear so you amend the constitution or in the case of 0bama find a loop hole to deny citizens their constitutional right to own guns. You just increased crime by the number of times citizens use a gun to prevent said crimes every year which is a hard number to pin down. Plus you remove the deterrent armed citizens provide against crime. You'd spike crime in this country unlike anything seen in recorded history.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468763
God-given right to own a gun?
Show me in the Bible where God states that every human being has the right to own a destructive weapon that violates the tenets of one of his Ten Commnadments. You've been brainwashed by the NRA into thinking that unless you can walk around with a gun strapped on your waist, you're destined to die a slow and agonizing death by some criminal who is just waiting to gun you down for no apparent reason. People who don't care for guns, and have no desire to own them, don't live in your world or paranoia thinking that someone is always out to get them. Gun fanatics like you are the scary ones. Just look at this kid in Austin. Newly graduated college student with a bright future, and goes off the deep end into a depressive state because his girlfriend left him. Next thing you know, he's getting drunk and charged with DUI, then starts drinking while taking Xanax and ends up in an altercation at a Walmart in the middle of the night. He scuffles with a cop out in the parking lot, his gun comes out, and he shoots the cop in the neck killing him on the spot. Now instead of that bright future, he's facing the potential of the death penalty. Would this have occurred if he never owned a gun?
So a kid abusing Xanax, which is a crime by the way, flips and kills a cop. How many muggers, rapists, gang thugs and other criminals are thwarted each year by the use either passively or actively by a private citizen with a firearm? If you are going to take away the rights of honest people to use a gun to defend themselves based on the actions of a few then you should be for outlawing cars because many more people die as a result of incompetent use of them than guns.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468763
God-given right to own a gun?
So a kid abusing Xanax, which is a crime by the way, flips and kills a cop. How many muggers, rapists, gang thugs and other criminals are thwarted each year by the use either passively or actively by a private citizen with a firearm? If you are going to take away the rights of honest people to use a gun to defend themselves based on the actions of a few then you should be for outlawing cars because many more people die as a result of incompetent use of them than guns.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468766
More deaths is more deaths.What does it matter if cars are used more often? Their existence leads to more deaths in this country than firearms do. In a strange place I like to call reality you can't wave a wand and make all the evil guns disappear so you amend the constitution or in the case of 0bama find a loop hole to deny citizens their constitutional right to own guns. You just increased crime by the number of times citizens use a gun to prevent said crimes every year which is a hard number to pin down. Plus you remove the deterrent armed citizens provide against crime. You'd spike crime in this country unlike anything seen in recorded history.
Speculation and fantasy. Look at several European countries with strict gun laws. Do you see a rampant spike in crimes because of it? Then again, with the lunatics that live in this country (specificaly Conservative-minded one's), I wouldn't doubt you'd start the next American Civil WAr if they did restrict your access to guns.
Your analogy is so weak it's not even worth arguing any longer. You think autos are so dangerous? Turn over your keys and stay out of them. Get a bicycle or horse for your mode of transportation. You can't even understand basic statistics.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468766
More deaths is more deaths.What does it matter if cars are used more often? Their existence leads to more deaths in this country than firearms do. In a strange place I like to call reality you can't wave a wand and make all the evil guns disappear so you amend the constitution or in the case of 0bama find a loop hole to deny citizens their constitutional right to own guns. You just increased crime by the number of times citizens use a gun to prevent said crimes every year which is a hard number to pin down. Plus you remove the deterrent armed citizens provide against crime. You'd spike crime in this country unlike anything seen in recorded history.
Speculation and fantasy. Look at several European countries with strict gun laws. Do you see a rampant spike in crimes because of it? Then again, with the lunatics that live in this country (specificaly Conservative-minded one's), I wouldn't doubt you'd start the next American Civil WAr if they did restrict your access to guns.
Your analogy is so weak it's not even worth arguing any longer. You think autos are so dangerous? Turn over your keys and stay out of them. Get a bicycle or horse for your mode of transportation. You can't even understand basic statistics.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468767
So a kid abusing Xanax, which is a crime by the way, flips and kills a cop. How many muggers, rapists, gang thugs and other criminals are thwarted each year by the use either passively or actively by a private citizen with a firearm? If you are going to take away the rights of honest people to use a gun to defend themselves based on the actions of a few then you should be for outlawing cars because many more people die as a result of incompetent use of them than guns.
He had a LEGAL prescription. He was DRUNK when he shot the cop. Want to bring back Prohibition? He was an honest person until he had a major catastophic event in his life. It could happen to you tomorrow. Based on some of your responses on this forum, I don't want to be anywhere in you vacinity if it does happen.
Brother, another auto analogy. Can't you gun freaks come up with something more plausible?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468767
So a kid abusing Xanax, which is a crime by the way, flips and kills a cop. How many muggers, rapists, gang thugs and other criminals are thwarted each year by the use either passively or actively by a private citizen with a firearm? If you are going to take away the rights of honest people to use a gun to defend themselves based on the actions of a few then you should be for outlawing cars because many more people die as a result of incompetent use of them than guns.
He had a LEGAL prescription. He was DRUNK when he shot the cop. Want to bring back Prohibition? He was an honest person until he had a major catastophic event in his life. It could happen to you tomorrow. Based on some of your responses on this forum, I don't want to be anywhere in you vacinity if it does happen.
Brother, another auto analogy. Can't you gun freaks come up with something more plausible?
mantisman51
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The Bible is not a political document, and neither is the Constitution a religious document. The Bible does have political wisdom, and the framers used the Bible as a guide in drafting the Constitution. God-given does not mean the Bible says so, therefore I can. It simply means when the Higher Power, or The Creator as our forefathers wrote, is the grantor of rights, no government can take them away. That is one of the silliest arguments you have made, and you've had some left-wing doozies. This is why the Judeo-Christian ethic that guided the drafting of our Constitution is so important. Without the proper understanding of what God-given means, then no freedom or right is anything more than what those in power "let" us have. But we don't need to even have a Constitutional argument, as the right to self-defense is self-evident. At least to those who believe freedom should trump repression, even when repression is in the name of security and safety.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468807
He had a LEGAL prescription. He was DRUNK when he shot the cop. Want to bring back Prohibition? He was an honest person until he had a major catastophic event in his life. It could happen to you tomorrow. Based on some of your responses on this forum, I don't want to be anywhere in you vacinity if it does happen.
Brother, another auto analogy. Can't you gun freaks come up with something more plausible?
His roomate, if you bothered to read the articles on it, was of the opinion the guy was abusing his Xanax prescription which is a crime..
I guess you anti gun folks can't make a reasoned argument to explain your paranoia of guns so you call names instead of sticking to the subject and facts presented.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468807
He had a LEGAL prescription. He was DRUNK when he shot the cop. Want to bring back Prohibition? He was an honest person until he had a major catastophic event in his life. It could happen to you tomorrow. Based on some of your responses on this forum, I don't want to be anywhere in you vacinity if it does happen.
Brother, another auto analogy. Can't you gun freaks come up with something more plausible?
His roomate, if you bothered to read the articles on it, was of the opinion the guy was abusing his Xanax prescription which is a crime..
I guess you anti gun folks can't make a reasoned argument to explain your paranoia of guns so you call names instead of sticking to the subject and facts presented.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468831
The Bible is not a political document, and neither is the Constitution a religious document. The Bible does have political wisdom, and the framers used the Bible as a guide in drafting the Constitution. God-given does not mean the Bible says so, therefore I can. It simply means when the Higher Power, or The Creator as our forefathers wrote, is the grantor of rights, no government can take them away. That is one of the silliest arguments you have made, and you've had some left-wing doozies. This is why the Judeo-Christian ethic that guided the drafting of our Constitution is so important. Without the proper understanding of what God-given means, then no freedom or right is anything more than what those in power "let" us have. But we don't need to even have a Constitutional argument, as the right to self-defense is self-evident. At least to those who believe freedom should trump repression, even when repression is in the name of security and safety.
Now you're saying God gave us the Constitution? The Bible has political wisdom? Say what? That's even funnier than your last ridiculous post. First you have to prove this Higher Power exists. Oh wait, his kid crawled out of a cave and disappeared, what 2010 years ago? So he must exist.
Did you have this dream to be one of David Koresh's followers, or that nutbag group up North that thinks that ownership of firearms trumps whatever law is created in this country? You are WAY obsessed with this 2nd Amendment stuff.
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468831
The Bible is not a political document, and neither is the Constitution a religious document. The Bible does have political wisdom, and the framers used the Bible as a guide in drafting the Constitution. God-given does not mean the Bible says so, therefore I can. It simply means when the Higher Power, or The Creator as our forefathers wrote, is the grantor of rights, no government can take them away. That is one of the silliest arguments you have made, and you've had some left-wing doozies. This is why the Judeo-Christian ethic that guided the drafting of our Constitution is so important. Without the proper understanding of what God-given means, then no freedom or right is anything more than what those in power "let" us have. But we don't need to even have a Constitutional argument, as the right to self-defense is self-evident. At least to those who believe freedom should trump repression, even when repression is in the name of security and safety.
Now you're saying God gave us the Constitution? The Bible has political wisdom? Say what? That's even funnier than your last ridiculous post. First you have to prove this Higher Power exists. Oh wait, his kid crawled out of a cave and disappeared, what 2010 years ago? So he must exist.
Did you have this dream to be one of David Koresh's followers, or that nutbag group up North that thinks that ownership of firearms trumps whatever law is created in this country? You are WAY obsessed with this 2nd Amendment stuff.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468836
His roomate, if you bothered to read the articles on it, was of the opinion the guy was abusing his Xanax prescription which is a crime..
I guess you anti gun folks can't make a reasoned argument to explain your paranoia of guns so you call names instead of sticking to the subject and facts presented.
Ah, so his roomate makes some opinion, and now the guy is a drug addict. How was he abusing them? He'd have to have multiple prescriptions to obtain more than what was prescribed by his physician. I guess you can call it abuse if you take it while consuming alcohol, but I don't recall any law stating that is a crime.
I have no paranoia of guns. I just don't see the logic in having some reverence in the owning of guns, and the neccessity to own them on the basis that someone will eventually approach me in a manner that I'd need to use them for protection.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468836
His roomate, if you bothered to read the articles on it, was of the opinion the guy was abusing his Xanax prescription which is a crime..
I guess you anti gun folks can't make a reasoned argument to explain your paranoia of guns so you call names instead of sticking to the subject and facts presented.
Ah, so his roomate makes some opinion, and now the guy is a drug addict. How was he abusing them? He'd have to have multiple prescriptions to obtain more than what was prescribed by his physician. I guess you can call it abuse if you take it while consuming alcohol, but I don't recall any law stating that is a crime.
I have no paranoia of guns. I just don't see the logic in having some reverence in the owning of guns, and the neccessity to own them on the basis that someone will eventually approach me in a manner that I'd need to use them for protection.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468853
Ah, so his roomate makes some opinion, and now the guy is a drug addict. How was he abusing them? He'd have to have multiple prescriptions to obtain more than what was prescribed by his physician. I guess you can call it abuse if you take it while consuming alcohol, but I don't recall any law stating that is a crime.
I have no paranoia of guns. I just don't see the logic in having some reverence in the owning of guns, and the neccessity to own them on the basis that someone will eventually approach me in a manner that I'd need to use them for protection.
The room mate made the claim, talk to him about it. People who abuse drugs aren't always addicts. I got a whole drawer of prescription pain killers legally obtained I could abuse if I was a mind to.
If you aren't paranoid then why do you care? You are a whole lot more likely to be harmed by someone using their car than their gun. I've never felt the need to carry a gun on my person but like having the option. I do sleep better at night knowing I have the ability to protect myself in my own home. I don't live in a bad area but there have been home invasions in places like Beverly Hills, you never know when or why you might get hit.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468853
Ah, so his roomate makes some opinion, and now the guy is a drug addict. How was he abusing them? He'd have to have multiple prescriptions to obtain more than what was prescribed by his physician. I guess you can call it abuse if you take it while consuming alcohol, but I don't recall any law stating that is a crime.
I have no paranoia of guns. I just don't see the logic in having some reverence in the owning of guns, and the neccessity to own them on the basis that someone will eventually approach me in a manner that I'd need to use them for protection.
The room mate made the claim, talk to him about it. People who abuse drugs aren't always addicts. I got a whole drawer of prescription pain killers legally obtained I could abuse if I was a mind to.
If you aren't paranoid then why do you care? You are a whole lot more likely to be harmed by someone using their car than their gun. I've never felt the need to carry a gun on my person but like having the option. I do sleep better at night knowing I have the ability to protect myself in my own home. I don't live in a bad area but there have been home invasions in places like Beverly Hills, you never know when or why you might get hit.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468839
Is it just me or do all of these discussion end up the exact same way?
Yeah but it's a lot of fun
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/391215/theres-no-voter-fraud/80#post_3468839
Is it just me or do all of these discussion end up the exact same way?
Yeah but it's a lot of fun