This guy wants to be president?

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2709904
Oh yeah, how many people does it take to build one platform? Just the economic benefit is worth it. I saw something about using concrete tanks on the ocean floor to hold the oil rather than connecting directly to shore. Then just using tankers to haul the oil rather than laying pipelines.
They do that. In some cases they just pump the oil onto a boat that is moored near the main platform. google FPSO It is pretty neat they typically rebuild a tanker, put some topside minor refining then another tanker goes out and drains the FPSO. And if they have a major storm they just drop the mooring system and head to safer waters.
See that is the thing, heck with these wimpy "stimulus packages" If you opened up these places you'd be talking Exxon pouring billions of billions of dollars into local economies. A small deep water project costs half a billion dollars. Imagine 200 rigs going up down our continental shelfs. There your privately funded stimulus package right there.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2705382
Obama may not have had the oportunities Bush did but he wasn't exactly a poor starving orphan either. He is in the position he is today because of his race. There is no way a first term senator with a weak legislative record is a presidential candidate if his name is Barry O'Banion and white.
He is in this position despite of his race.. Being black in America is a disadvantage. He is in this position because of his own merits... He has seized every opportunity starting from his speech at democratic convention to Anti-Iraq speech and on and on, when it came to being recongized by the national party. He has had to defend his name and background to all the attacks by both those of his party and outside. He did not have the family ties or the money past candidates have had. Obama is more of a real person because he can at remember just a year or two ago when he filled his own car with gas, or repaid college loans . If he were white and had a different last name... and had the same message... he'd be a shoe in... because there would be nothing else to be 'nervous about'.
Did Obama benefit from quotes? Maybe, I don't know but his work ethic and current position as a Senator proves that if this were the case he is exceptional and deserved it?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2711585
He is in this position despite of his race.. Being black in America is a disadvantage. He is in this position because of his own merits... He has seized every opportunity starting from his speech at democratic convention to Anti-Iraq speech and on and on, when it came to being recongized by the national party. He has had to defend his name and background to all the attacks by both those of his party and outside. He did not have the family ties or the money past candidates have had. Obama is more of a real person because he can at remember just a year or two ago when he filled his own car with gas, or repaid college loans . If he were white and had a different last name... and had the same message... he'd be a shoe in... because there would be nothing else to be 'nervous about'.
Did Obama benefit from quotes? Maybe, I don't know but his work ethic and current position as a Senator proves that if this were the case he is exceptional and deserved it?
What merits would that be?
Has anyone ever run with less experience? Own merit come on...
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2711588
What merits would that be?
Has anyone ever run with less experience? Own merit come on...
Experience is a very real concern.... I however believe judgement is more important in my criteria, which is why I am voting the way I am. It seems Bush has adopted recent Obama strategies... McCain has a lot of experience, and has been in D.C 26 years... What has he accomplished? Its been under is watch that we have had the opportunity to change much of what is wrong w/ Washington, and address the major issues that we knew about then. Sometimes we need a new face and when the same old people aren't getting the job done... Take Cheney, Rumsfield, and all the people Bush has around him... decades of experience... but look at all the blunders... Experience doesn't equal effectiveness.
And his own merits mean that he has earned his position based on his work, and not having family ties like Bush, Mrs Clinton, McCain... How does McCain get the best job in the Navy after finishing in the bottom of his class?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2711640
Experience is a very real concern.... I however believe judgement is more important in my criteria, which is why I am voting the way I am. It seems Bush has adopted recent Obama strategies... McCain has a lot of experience, and has been in D.C 26 years... What has he accomplished? Its been under is watch that we have had the opportunity to change much of what is wrong w/ Washington, and address the major issues that we knew about then. Sometimes we need a new face and when the same old people aren't getting the job done... Take Cheney, Rumsfield, and all the people Bush has around him... decades of experience... but look at all the blunders... Experience doesn't equal effectiveness.
And his own merits mean that he has earned his position based on his work, and not having family ties like Bush, Mrs Clinton, McCain... How does McCain get the best job in the Navy after finishing in the bottom of his class?
What has Bush adopted of Obamas? And if you say a timetable I'm going to throw up a little bit in my mouth. Because their is NO way honestly to say that.
What blunders of the veep unless you want to talk about a hunting. Experience may not equal effectiveness, but 143 days of experience, or heck 3 years?
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2711653
What has Bush adopted of Obamas? And if you say a timetable I'm going to throw up a little bit in my mouth. Because their is NO way honestly to say that.
What blunders of the veep unless you want to talk about a hunting. Experience may not equal effectiveness, but 143 days of experience, or heck 3 years?
Time table, position on Afganistan, and diplomatic talks with our enemies such as Iran.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2711653
What has Bush adopted of Obamas? And if you say a timetable I'm going to throw up a little bit in my mouth. Because their is NO way honestly to say that.
What blunders of the veep unless you want to talk about a hunting. Experience may not equal effectiveness, but 143 days of experience, or heck 3 years?
Iraq War, Katrina, Atty General, CIA leak, some of his ridiculous comments, I am sure there are more I am not thinking of.
 
shroomie2u

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2707161
What difference does it make? People consider Cinncinatti part of the South... What does this have to do w/ Confederacy? I also don't understand why people glorify the Civil War, in particular the Confederation... Furthermore, people's dislike for Bush has nothing to do with where he lived, or his southern accent... As I mentioned before Clinton is just as southern, has an accent... so lets stop shifting anti-Bush feelings from real issues and policies...to things that don't matter.
as someone who lives in gettysburg, i want to say that the civil war is not glorified! the civil war was a HUGE part of our history! it was the only time in our country that we banded together for something that we believed in. the reason people visit gettysburg isn't because they are celebrating the war, it is because want to see the sacrifice that those men made. by no means is the civil war glorified! just wanted to clarify that.
and as far as this election is concerned...i say lets put mccain, barrack in the woods with a fully loaded ---- chaney on their butts and see who comes out!
thank god bush is almost gone!
 
stdreb27

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For the past 6 years bush has been saying the exact same thing about Iraq. Do you not remember the media and their sidekicks in congress demanding a "plan" and bush saying we'll stay till we win. Then dems go out and say stuff like Iraq is lost?
Now with Iraq no longer on the forefront of the news, (no news is good news) and it looking more and more probable that in a couple years Iraq will be able to take care of itself, Bush has suddenly shifted course?
IMO this equates to an increase of the capital gains tax increasing investments...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2711585
He is in this position despite of his race.. Being black in America is a disadvantage. He is in this position because of his own merits... He has seized every opportunity starting from his speech at democratic convention to Anti-Iraq speech and on and on, when it came to being recongized by the national party. He has had to defend his name and background to all the attacks by both those of his party and outside. He did not have the family ties or the money past candidates have had. Obama is more of a real person because he can at remember just a year or two ago when he filled his own car with gas, or repaid college loans . If he were white and had a different last name... and had the same message... he'd be a shoe in... because there would be nothing else to be 'nervous about'.
Did Obama benefit from quotes? Maybe, I don't know but his work ethic and current position as a Senator proves that if this were the case he is exceptional and deserved it?
If he were white 95% of the country wouldn't even know his name.
WHat landmark legislative victories does he have? WHat piece of major legislation is known by his name or attributed to him? What thing is he known for other than being the only Black member of the Senate? That gave him the spotlight and true enough he used the opportunity to it's full potential but there is more to leadership than making a good speech. All Obama's sucess in the state senate was the result of the Senate president having his name put on bills other people had worked on and pushed through. It was an organized effort to boost Obama's US senate campaign at a time when Obama faced a serious opponent.
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shroomie2u

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IMO obama is kennedy-like. we need someone who will listen to people. this country has been run into the ground, lets give someone new and young and fresh with new ideas, a chance. he is classy and elegant, something we haven't seen in at least 8 years.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2712351
Yeah just about as elegant as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AjO-IxfMY
Also I like the part where he fought for MLK day in his state even though he voted against it in 83.
There is no way I will ever vote for George W. Mccain
Equating McLaim to Bush is an insult to Bush. Do you not remember the last 8 years where McLaim has done everything from copy democrats on his arguments against the Bush tax cuts, to Democrats trying twice to lure him to the Democrat party. Heck Kerry tried to get him as his running mate. If you are going to even attempt to argue here, at least do a good job, instead of insulting my intellegence by rehashing garbage like calling him George W. McCain or McBush. It is just silly and demonstrates just how much you've been watching politics over the last 8 years.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712222
IMO obama is kennedy-like. we need someone who will listen to people. this country has been run into the ground, lets give someone new and young and fresh with new ideas, a chance. he is classy and elegant, something we haven't seen in at least 8 years.
Classy and eloquent are what we should look for in a President? Let's take a stroll through 20th century history. Many of the worst dictators had "new" ideas, were charismatic, some were certainly eloquent, and some were considered "classy".
How about instead we look for a candidate that respects what the founding fathers envisioned when they risked their lives to form our Nation?
 
reefraff

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I still can't believe the Democrats chose Obama given the talent in their field of candidates. I mean McCain isn't exactly a barn burner but at least he's qualified.
 
shroomie2u

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2712491
Classy and eloquent are what we should look for in a President? Let's take a stroll through 20th century history. Many of the worst dictators had "new" ideas, were charismatic, some were certainly eloquent, and some were considered "classy".
How about instead we look for a candidate that respects what the founding fathers envisioned when they risked their lives to form our Nation?
yes how bout we go through our nation's history.....Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan......all brillant speakers,with new and freash ideas = CLASSY AND ELEGANT!!!!!
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712507
yes how bout we go through our nation's history.....Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan......all brillant speakers,with new and freash ideas = CLASSY AND ELEGANT!!!!!

What Fresh ideas does Obama have?
 
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