This whole Trayvon Martin thing has me perplexed...

[2quills]

That was first talked about last year, Beth. The arizona tea and skittles are popular ingredients for mixing the drink with cough syrup or codeine.
And yes, I do believe there were facebook messages or texts with him talking about making the drink with a friend.
But no it wasn't in the toxicology. Not that it matters for what happened that night but I don't think it's detectable in your system for too long.

 

[theclemsonkid]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/20#post_3526641
That was first talked about last year, Beth. The arizona tea and skittles are popular ingredients for mixing the drink with cough syrup or codeine.
And yes, I do believe there were facebook messages or texts with him talking about making the drink with a friend.
But no it wasn't in the toxicology. Not that it matters for what happened that night but I don't think it's detectable in your system for too long.
So are you saying that we can all sleep a little easier knowing that at least GZ got rid of a drug addict? Cause that has a lot to do with the shooting...

 

[theclemsonkid]

Here's some more useless information, if we're just throwing it out there...
In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.

 

[darthtang aw]

The case is over Move on. This whole case was handled by oth sides all the way around. We complain about the media over blowing it and continuing with it. Yet here everyone is still discussing it. Why? Last i checked there are otherthings in the news to discuss. For instance Lindsey Lohan will have a talk show on Oprah's network. NOW THAT IS HUGE NEWS!
Darth (media sheep) Tang

 

[2quills]

So are you saying that we can all sleep a little easier knowing that at least GZ got rid of a drug addict? Cause that has a lot to do with the shooting...
:bw:
I don't believe that I said that at all. You did!
What I will say though is that if you have a history of drugs, theft and violence and go out of your way to physically attack somebody and that person shoots you then don't expect too much sympathy for me.

 

[ironeagle2006]

Lets see here Clemson. In 2005 I had an Ex Wife accuse me of about everything under the sun in our Divorce case. Then the truth came out via her Email and IM history that she was the one doing all the Cheating not me. Zimmerman was found Innocent of all charges if he had been found Guilty of a Felony he NEVER would have in the first place been allowed to have his Firearm let alone get his CCW Permit. He was found Innocent of all charges and Even the only JUROR that has spoken up has said RACE was NOT AN ISSUE IN THE CASE it was the Evidence said he was acting in SELF DEFENSE. Blunt Force Trauma can kill you faster than a Gunshot especially if the BFT is to the Head. You break an artery in the head and cause a major bleed in the head your Screwed if your that person that got hit. Most of our Wounded are Not the men and women that have lost legs they are HEAD INJURIES that have suffered Massive Blunt force Head Trauma and TBI's from IED's that scramble their Brains so bad they can not even walk or use the bathroom on their own. That was what Trayvon was going to do if not outright kill Zimmerman from slamming his head into the sidewalk.
So do not give me this crap Zimmerman was not Justified to defend himself I am a Survivor of a pair of TBI's and have a lot of Friends online that are Ex Military that are Survivors also of TBI's and we all have said the same thing Martin got the Exact thing Coming to HIM from ZIMMERMAN.

 

[darthtang aw]

I don't believe that I said that at all. You did!
What I will say though is that if you have a history of drugs, theft and violence and go out of your way to physically attack somebody and that person shoots you then don't expect too much sympathy for me.
Links to theft and violence please. Because I know what you are basing that off. And it is hearsay. he was never arrested as far as we know. And I would bet 75% of teens have smoked weedand experimented with different drugs.

 

[darthtang aw]

Lets see here Clemson.  In 2005 I had an Ex Wife accuse me of about everything under the sun in our Divorce case.  Then the truth came out via her Email and IM history that she was the one doing all the Cheating not me.  Zimmerman was found Innocent of all charges if he had been found Guilty of a Felony he NEVER would have in the first place been allowed to have his Firearm let alone get his CCW Permit.  He was found Innocent of all charges and Even the only JUROR that has spoken up has said RACE was NOT AN ISSUE IN THE CASE it was the Evidence said he was acting in SELF DEFENSE.  Blunt Force Trauma can kill you faster than a Gunshot especially if the BFT is to the Head.  You break an artery in the head and cause a major bleed in the head your Screwed if your that person that got hit.  Most of our Wounded are Not the men and women that have lost legs they are HEAD INJURIES that have suffered Massive Blunt force Head Trauma and TBI's from IED's that scramble their Brains so bad they can not even walk or use the bathroom on their own.  That was what Trayvon was going to do if not outright kill Zimmerman from slamming his head into the sidewalk. 
So do not give me this crap Zimmerman was not Justified to defend himself I am a Survivor of a pair of TBI's and have a lot of Friends online that are Ex Military that are Survivors also of TBI's and we all have said the same thing Martin got the Exact thing Coming to HIM from ZIMMERMAN.   
My grandfathers best friend did twenty years in Jail for punching a guy. Hit him in the head and killed him.........................

 

[deejeff442]

100% with ya ironeagle

 

[2quills]

Links to theft and violence please. Because I know what you are basing that off. And it is hearsay. he was never arrested as far as we know. And I would bet 75% of teens have smoked weedand experimented with different drugs.
I bet they have too. But I'm failing to see how that makes it alright in the eyes of the law or parents who wish their kids to go to school free of those influences.
Unless the texts released were made up then treyvon admited in his own words that he swung on a school bus driver.
When he was suspended from school his bag was searched and they found a bunch of girls jewelry along with a flat head screw driver. Seems a little coinsidental if you ask me but ok, maybe he bought it at a garage sale to give to his girlfriend who knows.
Point is, Zimmer was found innocent based on the actual evidence. Yet people still want to crucify him when he didn't break the law, or show anything that leads me to belive racial profiling was the factor. It sickens me to see folks so sure that this guy needs to pau for what happened anymore than he already has because everyone here I'm sure has exercised poor judgment a time or two in their lives.
That's all.

 

[beth]

I think the issue going forward is what is going to happen in terms of race vs race, not really debating about GZ vs TM. GZ is innocent of any criminal wrongdoing, and that's that.
Big issues for me are:
Political involvement motivating escalation of the case outside of Sanford, FL which has now blown up into race riots.
What else may be done now to even make this situation worse (if that's possible).
And, as a resident of FLA, I am concerned about the judgment of our dimwit governor and his special prosecutor. That they are still saying Murderer, Murderer, to me is appalling.

 

[deejeff442]

well the racist Sharpten just came out and said he is doing a 100 city protest. think he will be arrested for causing riots...dont think so.

 

[beth]

Hopefully he won't go to Calif. since that seems to be the only place where riots are occurring.

 

[2quills]

Somebody needs to step up here if he's smart. Would gain more respect from me if he did.

 

[beth]

There is nothing wrong with peaceful demonstrations. Our country is the inventor of peaceful demonstration. And I have no problem with citizens who exercise their right to peacefully demonstrate.
Sharpton isn't stupid. He's not going to demonstrate to purposely incite riots. He's probably going to advocate for the Justice Department to charge GZ. (They don't have a case.) He may try to encourage the Martin family to file civilly; however, that could end up flying back at the Martin family so, if I were them, I wouldn't go down that road.

 

[deejeff442]

i have read the martin family have also gotten threats . what a mess

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/20#post_3526686
There is nothing wrong with peaceful demonstrations. Our country is the inventor of peaceful demonstration. And I have no problem with citizens who exercise their right to peacefully demonstrate.
Funny, I don't think that the current admin. feels the same way about it that you do. But that's another topic.
I don't think that the justice dept. wants any part of this. I can't see any good reason why they'd want to continue dragging this on any longer.
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[reefraff]

The police investigator didn't think there was a case. The DA didnt think there was a case. The jury didn't think there was a case. But Eric Holder want's a new investigation LOL!
Best summery I've heard about this is "When two fools collide" If Zimmerman hadn't had gotten out of his car.... BUT if the kid had ran home instead of confronting Zimmerman. The only difference is what the kid did by assaulting Zimmerman was illegal. It seems to be lost on people that when told they didn't need him to follow the kid Zimmerman claims to have stopped and was on his way back to his car when the altercation occurred. Even if he had continued to follow he still didn't break any laws but had the worm been turned and the kid shot him I'd say the same thing, not murder or manslaughter. Just a couple bad choices by 2 people in the right place at the wrong time..
There is nothing about the laws that need to be changed. Had there been any proof Zimmerman actually initiated the physical altercation he would have went down for Manslaughter, as it should be. Have any of you hit your head on a solid object? It smarts, even if you don't hit it hard enough to break open the skin. I don't have a hard time believing he feared for his life.
He and his family have paid plenty for this. Their lives are pretty much ruined. I don't really lose any sleep over Zimmerman but I feel for both sets of parents. They should have tried to make a case for criminal endangerment if anything and that would have been a tough sell but if they had this would have been put to bed a long time ago

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/20#post_3526705
Have any of you hit your head on a solid object? It smarts, even if you don't hit it hard enough to break open the skin. I don't have a hard time believing he feared for his life.
Apparently Hillary Clinton feared for her life in Dec when she hit her head on the floor (only once), and with good reason BTW! She ended up with a blood clot.

 

[2quills]

One good punch to the nose and even the biggest and baddest dudes will fold like a house of cards. Once that happened I'm sure it was all down hill from there. You guys did see the pictures of Zim that were brought out in court that hadn't been released previously to the media? He got his butt whooped.
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