This whole Trayvon Martin thing has me perplexed...

beth

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And fearing that citizens are now armed may be why many areas are now experiencing a decline in some crimes, such as break-ins. As far as the castle doctrine is concerned, my feeling is that if you break in to a house and there is someone who belongs in the house able to shoot you in to the next life, then so be it (even if the robber is only armed with a putty knife).
Lets face it, the reason it was necessary for GZ's neighborhood to form a neighborhood watch is because the police are not terribly interested in patrolling neighborhoods or doing much about it even if you experience a break in. As far as crimes go, break-in robberies just is not something high on the list of concerns for local police. That being said, people are on their own. There is a reason why the security business is thriving in most towns and cities. And there is a reason that many Americans do not want their right to be armed diminished.
 

beth

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That scenario is ridiculous. If someone wanted to commit murder, then they'd just do it. Most of these situations do not involve a group of witnesses who can say, "Oh, he was provoked in to shooting".
 

beth

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That scenario is ridiculous. If someone wanted to commit murder, then they'd just do it. Most of these situations do not involve a group of witnesses who can say, "Oh, he was provoked in to shooting".
The thing is if someone commits murder, they get 30+ years in prison. If they get a self defense claim, they are off easy.
Or, they could be charged with murder, as was GZ.
 

2quills

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Anybody ever hear of the, Roderick Scott case? Roderick Scott (42 years old black man) shot and killed Christopher Cervini (17 year old white kid) for allegedly breaking into his car after he rushed out of his house in the middle of the night with his gun drawn and didn't bother calling 911 until after he shot the kid. The claim was ofcorse self defense and that the kid decided to rush him even though the guy already had his gun drawn.
He was found not guilty of manslaughter. I don't remember any race activists popping out of the woodwork on this one. Or riots breaking out in the streets afterwards.
 

mohawkninja

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Quote:Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/60#post_3527037
Anybody ever hear of the, Roderick Scott case? Roderick Scott (42 years old black man) shot and killed Christopher Cervini (17 year old white kid) for allegedly breaking into his car after he rushed out of his house in the middle of the night with his gun drawn and didn't bother calling 911 until after he shot the kid. The claim was ofcorse self defense and that the kid decided to rush him even though the guy already had his gun drawn.
He was found not guilty of manslaughter. I don't remember any race activists popping out of the woodwork on this one. Or riots breaking out in the streets afterwards.

I have never heard of that case. I will need to look into that.
 
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That scenario is ridiculous. If someone wanted to commit murder, then they'd just do it. Most of these situations do not involve a group of witnesses who can say, "Oh, he was provoked in to shooting".
See I don't think they would. Obviously there are enough people who commit pre-meditated murder in this country. So if you had the choice between rotting in a cell for the rest of your life, or claiming self defense and going home a free man/woman, why wouldn't you? Not saying it would be common, but if there was someone out there who wanted someone dead, and had half a brain, that's a pretty easy way to go about it...
 

2quills

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See I don't think they would.  Obviously there are enough people who commit pre-meditated murder in this country.  So if you had the choice between rotting in a cell for the rest of your life, or claiming self defense and going home a free man/woman, why wouldn't you?  Not saying it would be common, but if there was someone out there who wanted someone dead, and had half a brain, that's a pretty easy way to go about it...
Would this be assuming that the person wanting to do the killing would be licensed to carry in the first place?
 
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Would this be assuming that the person wanting to do the killing would be licensed to carry in the first place?
I would have to imagine. But all that takes is $100 and a Saturday and Sunday of classes.
Again, I'm not saying it would be common. It was just the first thing I thought about when I heard the ruling...
I have a CCW, and like most others who do, I think that ending someone's life should ALWAYS be a last resort. The thing that worries me, is those few who have an itchy trigger finger, a lot of pent up hate and rage, and then see this verdict and start thinking...
 

reefraff

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I would have to imagine. But all that takes is $100 and a Saturday and Sunday of classes.
Again, I'm not saying it would be common. It was just the first thing I thought about when I heard the ruling...
I have a CCW, and like most others who do, I think that ending someone's life should ALWAYS be a last resort. The thing that worries me, is those few who have an itchy trigger finger, a lot of pent up hate and rage, and then see this verdict and start thinking...
Yeah but in this case Z'man didn't pull his gun until after he'd been knocked down and was getting pounded on. That my friend, isn't an itchy trigger finger
How are you liking the new gun?
 

2quills

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I would have to imagine.  But all that takes is $100 and a Saturday and Sunday of classes. 
Again, I'm not saying it would be common.  It was just the first thing I thought about when I heard the ruling...
I have a CCW, and like most others who do, I think that ending someone's life should ALWAYS be a last resort.  The thing that worries me, is those few who have an itchy trigger finger, a lot of pent up hate and rage, and then see this verdict and start thinking... 
Giving you some ideas is it? Kidding
It's probably already happened to some degree. I wonder how many people out there are already locked up for plotting to murder their spouses for the insurance. Self defense would seem like a reasonable way to go if you could prove a history of abuse.
Following someone around to provoke an attack seems like a sketchy way to go about it. I still don't think that was Zimmermans intention.
 
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Yeah but in this case Z'man didn't pull his gun until after he'd been knocked down and was getting pounded on. That my friend, isn't an itchy trigger finger
How are you liking the new gun?
It's good. Finally able to get some moderately priced 9mm rounds again. Just went to the range for the first time yesterday in a few months. I like the Glock 'cause I have run probably close to 1000 rounds through it now, with everything from super cheap ammo to the nicer self defense stuff, and I haven't had a single misfire yet. (Knock on wood). I'm bunching shots to within probably three inches from 18 yards. The guys at the range say that's not too bad.
They are going to offer a low light, tactical night shooting class here in a few weeks that I think I am gonna give a whirl. I'm by no means "gun guy", but it is fun to hear all the guys who are talk about their pistols. I swear they know more about them than their kids!
 
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/60#post_3527126
Giving you some ideas is it? Kidding
It's probably already happened to some degree. I wonder how many people out there are already locked up for plotting to murder their spouses for the insurance. Self defense would seem like a reasonable way to go if you could prove a history of abuse.
Following someone around to provoke an attack seems like a sketchy way to go about it. I still don't think that was Zimmermans intention.
See, I have been watching Dexter on DVD seasons 1-4, so I'm thinking everyone is an evil, super genius serial killer these days
 

beth

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I think one thing that we can all come away with from what happened here, is that pulling a trigger is not to be taken lightly. And that just because you have a gun to defend yourself, shouldn't mean that you should be doing something that you would not if you didn't have a gun (such as getting out of a car to follow someone who you suspect is up to no good).
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/60#post_3527139
I think one thing that we can all come away with from what happened here, is that pulling a trigger is not to be taken lightly. And that just because you have a gun to defend yourself, shouldn't mean that you should be doing something that you would not if you didn't have a gun (such as getting out of a car to follow someone who you suspect is up to no good).
See, if the Zimmerman prosecution hadn't been politically motivated I would say he got what he deserved. If I were on the jury for the civil trial I don't think I've vote to give Martin's family any money cause I think their kid was at least as responsible for what happened a Zimmerman but they were both responsible, IMHO.
Some years ago my Brother got gutted by a "friend" at the bar. The guy thought my brother was going to kick his butt so he pulled out his rambo survival knife and shoved it in so far it nicked his spine and almost killed him. Lots of witnesses saw what happened but because my brother was always running his big mouth about kicking someone's butt the guy's lawyer made a case for self defense because the guy thought my brother was going to work him over. Not guilty. Of course they did nail him for attacking the cops when they attempted to arrest him after the incident.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/60#post_3527127
It's good. Finally able to get some moderately priced 9mm rounds again. Just went to the range for the first time yesterday in a few months. I like the Glock 'cause I have run probably close to 1000 rounds through it now, with everything from super cheap ammo to the nicer self defense stuff, and I haven't had a single misfire yet. (Knock on wood). I'm bunching shots to within probably three inches from 18 yards. The guys at the range say that's not too bad.
They are going to offer a low light, tactical night shooting class here in a few weeks that I think I am gonna give a whirl. I'm by no means "gun guy", but it is fun to hear all the guys who are talk about their pistols. I swear they know more about them than their kids!
The low light experience is really good to have. You gotta be prepared for the flash and how it effects your vision.
 
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