This whole Trayvon Martin thing has me perplexed...

darthtang aw

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That chick (the one that testified on his behalf that he called) said she told him he might be a gay rapist on the phone, and that was why he attacked Zimmerman. This was in an interview with Piers Morgan. So my question is, had he not been shot and killed, would he have been charged with a hate crime for attacking a guy based off of perceived sexual orientation? If Zimmerman had been in fact gay, would this have escalated to the national case it became in the same manner?
darth (Things that make you go hmmmmm) Tang
 
bang guy

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I don't know why but everyone always seems to bring up "feared for his life". That is not the criteria for self defense in Florida.
 
beth

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Keep in mind that TM was still underage. If he thought GZ was following him because he was a gay rapist then a great deal of sympathy would go to him. As in that scenario GZ would not have been a potential rapist, but a child molester. Frankly, if TM had that on his mind, things do make more sense for what happened, including turning back to whoopass. Frankly, from the POV of the victim (TM) GZ actions could well appear as someone stalking him for sex. What you guys think if you found out that your teen son was being followed at night for no apparent reason by some weirdo.
 
mohawkninja

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I don't agree with the ruling, but I don't really understand why everyone is flipping out. I am black. I am used to being profiled. Is profiling bad? Yes! Is it a crime? No. The jury made their ruling, and it was not the greatest. The prosecution made the wrong case from the start though. He wasn't going to get a murder charge, but they pushed for it then kind of said at the end "Oh yeah and manslaughter too." If the prosecution makes the right case, GZ doesn't get off easy. I really don't think GZ was in fear of his life either. He exaggerates to much. His injuries were nothing. Head wounds bleed a lot. His nose might have been broken, but it wasn't out of place. He probably wasn't the person yelling help on the tape. He had his help with him. It was on his belt.
 
deejeff442

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c'mon people are color blind if a white guy was bashing my head i would have shot him. problem is we will never know everything. this is just an isolated incident. i have a few very good friends who are black and they even told me they would have shot tm. the race thing in this country is out of hand and imo its all the gov't and medias fault. they want us to hate each other for their own gain and it needs to stop.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mohawkninja http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/40#post_3526756
I don't agree with the ruling, but I don't really understand why everyone is flipping out. I am black. I am used to being profiled. Is profiling bad? Yes! Is it a crime? No. The jury made their ruling, and it was not the greatest. The prosecution made the wrong case from the start though. He wasn't going to get a murder charge, but they pushed for it then kind of said at the end "Oh yeah and manslaughter too." If the prosecution makes the right case, GZ doesn't get off easy. I really don't think GZ was in fear of his life either. He exaggerates to much. His injuries were nothing. Head wounds bleed a lot. His nose might have been broken, but it wasn't out of place. He probably wasn't the person yelling help on the tape. He had his help with him. It was on his belt.
Hitting your head hurts. Hitting it hard enough to break the skin against a flat object really hurts. Having it done by somebody who right or wrong you thought was up to no good would tend to make you fear the worst.
They didn't find any signs that the kid was hit. Who do you think would be more likely to be yelling for help. The guy on the bottom with the injuries who according to the closest witness says asked him for help or the guy on top with no injury other than the gunshot?
 
reefraff

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It sounds to me like the girl opened herself up to a perjury prosecution if the DA wanted to push it, which I think we all know that wont happen
What she did do is bolster Zimmerman's case in both a civil trial and if the government tries to bring a civil rights charge against him.
 
2quills

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It's a little tough to try and disagree with the ruling since the ruling is accurate according to Florida law. Disagreeing with the laws is another story.
You can't just simply convict someone based on personal bias. What type of person would that make any of us here if that were to happen? No better than anyone who goes around racially or sexually profiling others whome they don't know.
Even the juror who gave the cnn interview said she was looking for that one piece of evidence to convict but it just wasn't there.
Corey, promised that the case would get its day in court and now it has. There's nothing there to hang this guy with. It should be let go so that these families can try to move on. IMO, Trevon is probably the lucky one here. At least he's at peace and doesn't have to suffer through this nightmare like the ones left behind.
 
mohawkninja

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Quote:Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/40#post_3526760
Hitting your head hurts. Hitting it hard enough to break the skin against a flat object really hurts. Having it done by somebody who right or wrong you thought was up to no good would tend to make you fear the worst.
 
They didn't find any signs that the kid was hit. Who do you think would be more likely to be yelling for help. The guy on the bottom with the injuries who according to the closest witness says asked him for help or the guy on top with no injury other than the gunshot?

GZ's wound on his head couldn't have been on a flat surface.There must have been a rock or an edge of a sidewalk panel. It wouldn't break the skin before it gave him a concussion or worse. I am not Zimmerman, but if I kept a gun with me for self defense, I had the gun loaded and cocked, and i was trained in MMA, I wouldn't be yelling for help from a kid who I outweigh by 50 pounds. He might have been the one yelling, but it just seems like Treyvon would be the guy yelling. I am open to different stories but I just think that some of the things in this are illogical. But hey, it is over. Nothing will be done.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mohawkninja http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/40#post_3526764
GZ's wound on his head couldn't have been on a flat surface.There must have been a rock or an edge of a sidewalk panel. It wouldn't break the skin before it gave him a concussion or worse. I am not Zimmerman, but if I kept a gun with me for self defense, I had the gun loaded and cocked, and i was trained in MMA, I wouldn't be yelling for help from a kid who I outweigh by 50 pounds. He might have been the one yelling, but it just seems like Treyvon would be the guy yelling. I am open to different stories but I just think that some of the things in this are illogical. But hey, it is over. Nothing will be done.
Trained in MMA LOL! Did you hear what the MMA instructor said about ZImmerman? I am 6'5" and I wouldn't live in a neighborhood where I felt the need to carry a gun so I can't get into Zimmerman's head. Zimmerman obviously got hit and his bald melon hit something hard and that was according to the medical examiner. It just really doesn't add up to me that the kid doing the damage would have been screaming for help but who knows....
One thing about this is somewhat justice served. I don't think Zimmerman belongs in jail. But he is going to be punished plenty. Who would give the guy a job? Who would want to hang out with him? I think that despite what you hear about open season on people shooting first I believe this is going to make the vast majority of people think twice before reaching for their gun. Who wants to go through this level of hell if it can be avoided. None of that is going to make the kid less dead but I think there are some silver linings here.
Of course I might change my opinion if Georgie ends up with a bag of money from lawsuits against NBC and the state
 
bang guy

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Zimmerman didn't outweigh Martin by 50 pounds. What blog did you get that from?
I certainly understand the pushback against Florida's very lenient Stand Your Ground Law. I also believe it went too far.
 
deejeff442

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mohawk yes its over and it sucks for both sides. this happens evey ten minutes in this country and its sad. the media picks and chooses what they want.Casey Anthony is another. that nut job on cnn forget her name but she is the worst. there is murder all over the planet for stupid reasons.and it just seems to get worse. i feel so bad for the next couple generations growing up. when i have a big get together here hell i have black friends,asian,mexican,thailand and one from New Jersey lol.we have the best time together. i wish this country would just figure out we are all the same but different.meaning we are all USA loving people. i really believe if the gov't would stay out of our lives and stop nosing into other countries we would all be happy. but aint gunna happen. i will just stay in my little area and hope for the best i guess
 
bang guy

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Yes, this was a horrible tragedy. The opportunity to grow up and be a productive member of society has been taken away from a teenager. But not all tragedies are the result of criminal acts. Usually it's stupidity which is not yet illegal in Florida.
 
theclemsonkid

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So in theory, let's say I wanted someone dead. In Florida, could I theoretically follow a guy, talk smack, call his mother names, etc; then see if I could get him to throw the first punch (therefore making me think my life was in danger) and blow a hole in his chest all in the name of "Self defense"?
Yes, this is a serious question.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/395946/this-whole-trayvon-martin-thing-has-me-perplexed/40#post_3526999
So in theory, let's say I wanted someone dead. In Florida, could I theoretically follow a guy, talk smack, call his mother names, etc; then see if I could get him to throw the first punch (therefore making me think my life was in danger) and blow a hole in his chest all in the name of "Self defense"?
Yes, this is a serious question.
If there were no witnesses, yes you could. But what's more important, protecting people who are legitimately threatened every day or someone who might be dumb enough to swing on an armed person trying to sucker them into a fight?
 
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