Tiller the baby killer killed.

alyssia

alyssia

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055923
No, I called it a baby after the 12th week. I never used the word insignificant! Considering that I am 6 weeks pregnant, I would never use the word insignificant!!!!
Jennifer, congrats on your pregnancy.
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by alyssia
http:///forum/post/3055927
Jennifer, congrats on your pregnancy.
Thank you! I was going to start a thread to announce it, but I got all emotional and announced it on an abortion thread
Like I said earlier, I never should have opened this thread! Now I can't seem to stay away.
 
alyssia

alyssia

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055931
Thank you! I was going to start a thread to announce it, but I got all emotional and announced it on an abortion thread
Like I said earlier, I never should have opened this thread! Now I can't seem to stay away.
I know, I usually avoid them too. Wish I would have this time as well.
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3055915
Dude, where's your sacasm smilie?

Not really going for sarcasm. I just get tired of people who want to have it both ways with this issue. An example is some people who say that women who contemplate abortions have to deal with a painful issue. If they're not killing a human life, then why is it a painful issue? Otherwise it should be like having one's appendix removed.
 
salty blues

salty blues

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055923
No, I called it a baby after the 12th week. I never used the word insignificant! Considering that I am 6 weeks pregnant, I would never use the word insignificant!!!!
I'm sorry, but I am having trouble figuring out which side of this issue you are on. And congratulations on your pregnancy. I hope all goes well for you and your baby.
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3055939
I'm sorry, but I am having trouble figuring out which side of this issue you are on. And congratulations on your pregnancy. I hope all goes well for you and your baby.
Ok, I will try to explain it. Maybe I am not communicating well. In the original post that you replied to I was stating that I do think there is a difference between first trimester and "late term" abortions. I believe that the post I was replying to was trying to say that there was no difference. Scientifically there is. I do not personally believe in abortion, but I can understand why it is legal in the first trimester. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, I wouldn't even vote in favor of it, but I can understand it. However, I am outraged at the "late term" abortions that the doctor that is being discussed was performing. I do not understand why something so horrific would be legal. I don't like that abortion is tied up in one little bow like it is the same thing whether it happens in week 5 or 30. I hope I've explained my position a little clearer.
Maybe my hormones are already getting the best of me and I'm making no sense at all. Thank you for your well wishes.
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3055959
Well, I gues you're not a guy, huh? The arrow points to a dog and states that this is Nina, so I assumed your name was Noah. My bad.

Yeah, I know alot of people think that. Actually, Noah is my 2 year old son. When I created my username Nina and Noah were my babies. Not sure what I'm going to do now! LOL
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3055936
Not really going for sarcasm. I just get tired of people who want to have it both ways with this issue. An example is some people who say that women who contemplate abortions have to deal with a painful issue. If they're not killing a human life, then why is it a painful issue? Otherwise it should be like having one's appendix removed.
I agree.
I thought you were trying to get a point across to some other people participating in the discussion. Again, my bad.
I didn't always agree. I was on the other side of the argument for most of my life. I view life differently, now. All life, not just my own.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055963
Yeah, I know alot of people think that. Actually, Noah is my 2 year old son. When I created my username Nina and Noah were my babies. Not sure what I'm going to do now! LOL
Add junior to your tag line in place of that silly thing you have now. It just confuses people.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/3055850
There can be no middle ground on the abortion issue. It's either taking an innocent human life or it's not.
The death penalty is taking a life. War takes life. I believe there are cases of justifiable homicide. I believe abortion at any stage ends a life. However I don't believe the government has a right to force a woman to give birth. Do you want a new government agency set up to decide which pregnancies are eligible for an abortion? I sure as heck don't. I am a conservative and believe government should be seen or heard as little as possible. If we are going to concede the power to dictate our reproductive decisions what else will they be deciding for us. You don't get to pick and choose.
If the pro-life zealots (I am talking about the people who are out protesting at the abortion clinics everyday) would put the effort they do into screaming and yelling at women, most of who have made a traumatic decision, into doing something positive they would indeed save a lot more innocents. Save the ones worth saving, there are some women who shouldn't be allowed to have kids. Why force them to have a kid they will neglect? Setting up support groups and rounding up financial aid for the women who made a mistake and don't see any other way out except to terminate the pregnancy will get results. Screaming bible verse at some pelosi who is going in for her 4th abortion is only good for a laugh.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055923
Considering that I am 6 weeks pregnant, I would never use the word insignificant!!!!
Congrats...

Best wishes to you, baby, and Daddy
It has to be an exciting time.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3055904
I'm sorry, that is a scientific fact. Any pregnancy website or book will tell you that. It is not considered a fetus aka a baby until week 11. Infact, after week 12 if you were to "lose" the baby it is not considered a miscarriage, it is considered a still birth.
The standard is, up to 20 weeks it's a miscarriage. From 20 weeks to delivery it's a stillborn.
I'm not upon the thread, gonna read back through now, but how late was he doing these?
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3056031
The standard is, up to 20 weeks it's a miscarriage. From 20 weeks to delivery it's a stillborn.
I'm not upon the thread, gonna read back through now, but how late was he doing these?
He was one of a handful of doctors performing third trimester abortions....so I read.
Think Jack Kevorkian in a pediatric clinic.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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As in "I'm in my 3rd trimester and I changed my mind?" Or as in mom will die if the pregnancy continues.
Kevorkian was solid by me.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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K, I'm reading all sorts of different things. Up to how many weeks gestation would he do these?
Edit: Found the Wall Street Journal.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3056049
As in "I'm in my 3rd trimester and I changed my mind?" Or as in mom will die if the pregnancy continues.
Kevorkian was solid by me.
As in, if you pay the $6k he will (would have) performed the procedure.
Some were due to deformities of the child. I could see where this would be a tough decision to have a handicapped child, but we're talking about that person's child. When will it be ok to have an abortion due to the child being the wrong ---?
Having a handicapped child is just to much for some people to deal with, so he would kill it for them.
You're right, Jack was following the will of the people he was helping to die. The human child has an incredible will to live. I'm sure you have witnessed this.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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I wasn't actually debating anything, was just gathering information. I would like to see a log of the typical gestation and diagnosis. Has that come out in the press that anyone has seen? I wanna see some statistics.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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reefraff, rock on.
Your answers have been the most well thought out replys in this thread. Agreed with everything you said. This is a society issue, no governments.
 
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