To all Trigger lovers
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fastazzr1
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Originally Posted by Titan
I have a long reponse to this but I'll save it....Seriously, you guys need to get in contact with some wet-web gurus and ask some questions; maybe you'll take their advice. You ask a question, don't like the answer, and do what you please anyway. This is not a flame by no means, but soon people won't waste the time in responding to your questions. Good luck in your endeavors
Titan, im not trying to start anything. but i've been reading the post and i've come accross your reply about us(bigman and fastazzr1) asking questions and not taking advice. can you please show me or us were we asked any questions or for any advice because i dont see it. there was a question asked after you made this statement but not before. we were making a statement about what kind of trigger we were geting next, not asking what you think we should get next. either one of us has no problem taking any advice. were going on info that was given to us by numerous lfs that these fish will never get to full sdult size in a home aquarium due to the size of the aquarium and the different feeding habits. i havent seen the web site that was sent to bigman but after he gives it to me and i check it out and it has all the info that you and george jefferson are trying to give us then i would be able to agree. but as for now all the info that the lfs has given us has been working just fine. look at it like this, if they give us false info on these fish and they die then they will replace them. if we take your advice(which we havent asked for)and if the fish die your not going to replace them. so who's advice would you take if you were in my shoe's.
I have a long reponse to this but I'll save it....Seriously, you guys need to get in contact with some wet-web gurus and ask some questions; maybe you'll take their advice. You ask a question, don't like the answer, and do what you please anyway. This is not a flame by no means, but soon people won't waste the time in responding to your questions. Good luck in your endeavors
Titan, im not trying to start anything. but i've been reading the post and i've come accross your reply about us(bigman and fastazzr1) asking questions and not taking advice. can you please show me or us were we asked any questions or for any advice because i dont see it. there was a question asked after you made this statement but not before. we were making a statement about what kind of trigger we were geting next, not asking what you think we should get next. either one of us has no problem taking any advice. were going on info that was given to us by numerous lfs that these fish will never get to full sdult size in a home aquarium due to the size of the aquarium and the different feeding habits. i havent seen the web site that was sent to bigman but after he gives it to me and i check it out and it has all the info that you and george jefferson are trying to give us then i would be able to agree. but as for now all the info that the lfs has given us has been working just fine. look at it like this, if they give us false info on these fish and they die then they will replace them. if we take your advice(which we havent asked for)and if the fish die your not going to replace them. so who's advice would you take if you were in my shoe's.
aw2x3
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Originally Posted by fastazzr1
were going on info that was given to us by numerous lfs that these fish will never get to full sdult size in a home aquarium due to the size of the aquarium and the different feeding habits.
Who's trying to make money? The LFS or us? Of course the LFS is going to tell you that...you're buying fish from them, on their advice.
Originally Posted by fastazzr1
look at it like this, if they give us false info on these fish and they die then they will replace them. if we take your advice(which we havent asked for)and if the fish die your not going to replace them.
But why willingly put the fishes life in danger? That's morally and ethically wrong...and, just down right cruel.
Originally Posted by fastazzr1
so who's advice would you take if you were in my shoe's.
Definately the advice of people who are trying to help you and not trying to make a profit. As already stated, most of us who have given you advice, have kept many species of Trigger long term...we're not just talking to hear ourselves talk.
were going on info that was given to us by numerous lfs that these fish will never get to full sdult size in a home aquarium due to the size of the aquarium and the different feeding habits.
Who's trying to make money? The LFS or us? Of course the LFS is going to tell you that...you're buying fish from them, on their advice.
Originally Posted by fastazzr1
look at it like this, if they give us false info on these fish and they die then they will replace them. if we take your advice(which we havent asked for)and if the fish die your not going to replace them.
But why willingly put the fishes life in danger? That's morally and ethically wrong...and, just down right cruel.
Originally Posted by fastazzr1
so who's advice would you take if you were in my shoe's.
Definately the advice of people who are trying to help you and not trying to make a profit. As already stated, most of us who have given you advice, have kept many species of Trigger long term...we're not just talking to hear ourselves talk.
fastazzr1
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Originally Posted by AW2x3
Who's trying to make money? The LFS or us? Of course the LFS is going to tell you that...you're buying fish from them, on their advice.
But why willingly put the fishes life in danger? That's morally and ethically wrong...and, just down right cruel.
Definately the advice of people who are trying to help you and not trying to make a profit. As already stated, most of us who have given you advice, have kept many species of Trigger long term...we're not just talking to hear ourselves talk.
i will agree that what you say about the lfs makes sense. but would you agree that there not making any money by replacing my dead fish(for free) if and when it dies due to there wrongful infomation?
as for me puting the fish's life in danger and being morally and ethically wrong and down right cruel. this is something i would never do(intentionally). im an animal lover, not a hater. hell, i've seen post on here of other people posting pics of them selves and a dead dear or buck. i havent seen any replys from you telling them how morally and ethically wrong they are. thats cruel. i bet if the dear or buck had a gun you wouldnt be hunting them. but thats a different story where not going to get into. but you keep going around the question. if i take your advice and my fish dies due to your wrongful information are you willing to replace the fish i lost?
i cant verify what kind of experience any of have because i dont know any of you. what i do know is that when you have people on this forum who give advice and yet dont even own a tank(surfinusa). thats bad and it doesnt look very good. with the help of my lfs and what i've learned has helped me to successfully take care of a tank full of triggers for a period of five years that i sold with my previous house. now im on my second tank doing the same thing with the help of my lfs again. and it seems to be going pretty good so far. look, im going to do this anway. so when your ready to start replacing the fish that may die due to wrong info that you may have given me then ill be all ears. so knowing this, why dont you give me advice on how to make this tank work with what im working with. but please keep in mind that at no time did i or bigman ask for any advice. where just talking about the fish we love and how there doing.
Who's trying to make money? The LFS or us? Of course the LFS is going to tell you that...you're buying fish from them, on their advice.
But why willingly put the fishes life in danger? That's morally and ethically wrong...and, just down right cruel.
Definately the advice of people who are trying to help you and not trying to make a profit. As already stated, most of us who have given you advice, have kept many species of Trigger long term...we're not just talking to hear ourselves talk.
i will agree that what you say about the lfs makes sense. but would you agree that there not making any money by replacing my dead fish(for free) if and when it dies due to there wrongful infomation?
as for me puting the fish's life in danger and being morally and ethically wrong and down right cruel. this is something i would never do(intentionally). im an animal lover, not a hater. hell, i've seen post on here of other people posting pics of them selves and a dead dear or buck. i havent seen any replys from you telling them how morally and ethically wrong they are. thats cruel. i bet if the dear or buck had a gun you wouldnt be hunting them. but thats a different story where not going to get into. but you keep going around the question. if i take your advice and my fish dies due to your wrongful information are you willing to replace the fish i lost?
i cant verify what kind of experience any of have because i dont know any of you. what i do know is that when you have people on this forum who give advice and yet dont even own a tank(surfinusa). thats bad and it doesnt look very good. with the help of my lfs and what i've learned has helped me to successfully take care of a tank full of triggers for a period of five years that i sold with my previous house. now im on my second tank doing the same thing with the help of my lfs again. and it seems to be going pretty good so far. look, im going to do this anway. so when your ready to start replacing the fish that may die due to wrong info that you may have given me then ill be all ears. so knowing this, why dont you give me advice on how to make this tank work with what im working with. but please keep in mind that at no time did i or bigman ask for any advice. where just talking about the fish we love and how there doing.
triggered
Member
Well, I haven't posted in a while, and this looked like a good one to get in on. Hello again to those oldies but goodies, and a big howdy to new posters.
A quick update on our little trigger world. Pinktail, Picasso, Undy in a 125g. All all still alive, with all parts still attached.
I personally like the Melichthys best (my Pinktail is my fave). I just love how they turn colors, well they are just the "purtiest" fishies, in my opinion.
The undy and Pink have gotten into one major skirmish, with the pink having a torn lip. But is has been several months. The Pic is just way too fast for the undy, but it wouldn't be a night if the undy didn't to a once around the pool with the Pic. We shake our heads. So far the other tank is just sitting there ready. We would be in trouble if the undy did go bananas. She is still as shy as the first day we got her. She is truly a "Spaz" (...that's her name)the Pink is "Raz" and the Pic is "Taz".
Good luck and post some more pics please ***)
Later.....C
A quick update on our little trigger world. Pinktail, Picasso, Undy in a 125g. All all still alive, with all parts still attached.
I personally like the Melichthys best (my Pinktail is my fave). I just love how they turn colors, well they are just the "purtiest" fishies, in my opinion.
The undy and Pink have gotten into one major skirmish, with the pink having a torn lip. But is has been several months. The Pic is just way too fast for the undy, but it wouldn't be a night if the undy didn't to a once around the pool with the Pic. We shake our heads. So far the other tank is just sitting there ready. We would be in trouble if the undy did go bananas. She is still as shy as the first day we got her. She is truly a "Spaz" (...that's her name)the Pink is "Raz" and the Pic is "Taz".
Good luck and post some more pics please ***)
Later.....C
titan
Member
This is mearly my opinion, but "most" lfs are crooked, and irresponsible beyond belief. I got into the hobby almost eight years ago, and at the start I solely took my lfs advice. This led to two wipeouts, and hundreds of dollars in wasted fish... Alot of these shops terminate fish that don't sell over extended periods of time. They give them a dip in fresh water and throw them in the freezer; breathing slows and they die. Some say it's peaceful....yeah 
They'll tell you what you want to hear; it's big buisness$$$. Are they going to replace your fish six months from now? A year or two? If so, I've gotta visit that place. Lifetime gurantee on swf, sweet
I'm not saying don't mix triggers, but be wary of which ones to mix. I've got a 9" Niger in with a 4.5" Picasso that I've had for years now. My Undulate was with them, but I knew it was only temporary. First, based on info; then countless hours of observation with a slow increase in destructive behaviour. This fish bit half of the upper lip off my hummu, chewed most of the tail fin of my Queen Coris, and had my Ocellated Toby jammed in a piece of LR for days. The puffer would come out when food was in the tank, and the Undy was on it like white on rice. Even with a voracious appetite, the trigger would forgo the food to get at the puffer. The suction cups on powerheads are roughly the size of a quarter; I have to replace them every three months when they're smaller than a penny and no longer hold. She mows them to little nubs. Recently, I had to replace the pump on the CSS220 that skims her tank. After countless bites, the seal broke and fried it! Nearly taking the fish with it; good thing they're tough!
I've got a 300GL system in my downstairs livingroom, and personally wouldn't mix a group of trigs at the aggressive hierarchy. It's almost scary to see what these guys can do!
Fastazz, this is a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge on fish keeping. Whether you like it or not we can express our opinions in an adult/mature manner; take it or leave it, but there's no need to be so defensive. Have a good day
They'll tell you what you want to hear; it's big buisness$$$. Are they going to replace your fish six months from now? A year or two? If so, I've gotta visit that place. Lifetime gurantee on swf, sweet
I'm not saying don't mix triggers, but be wary of which ones to mix. I've got a 9" Niger in with a 4.5" Picasso that I've had for years now. My Undulate was with them, but I knew it was only temporary. First, based on info; then countless hours of observation with a slow increase in destructive behaviour. This fish bit half of the upper lip off my hummu, chewed most of the tail fin of my Queen Coris, and had my Ocellated Toby jammed in a piece of LR for days. The puffer would come out when food was in the tank, and the Undy was on it like white on rice. Even with a voracious appetite, the trigger would forgo the food to get at the puffer. The suction cups on powerheads are roughly the size of a quarter; I have to replace them every three months when they're smaller than a penny and no longer hold. She mows them to little nubs. Recently, I had to replace the pump on the CSS220 that skims her tank. After countless bites, the seal broke and fried it! Nearly taking the fish with it; good thing they're tough!
I've got a 300GL system in my downstairs livingroom, and personally wouldn't mix a group of trigs at the aggressive hierarchy. It's almost scary to see what these guys can do!
Fastazz, this is a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge on fish keeping. Whether you like it or not we can express our opinions in an adult/mature manner; take it or leave it, but there's no need to be so defensive. Have a good day
triggered
Member
Originally Posted by BIGMAN
man thats cool to have someone else on the same side as me and fastazzr1 someone whos not affarid to put more than one trigger togerher to have a bitching display tank. good luck with ur tank and keep me posted.
and i also believe you have good entensions.
No, don't take my post incorrectly, I do not agree with the number of triggers you have in your tank, nor the number in your friend's tank.
We are pushing it with the three we have!! That is why we have the standby tank for when the Undy goes off her rocker. We know by experience what will happen. I agree with the majority of posters who advise that you are asking for trouble. I was just giving an update for those that may remember my posting from a year or so ago who also showed concern about our last addition, the Undy. 2 years is doing pretty well for this combo. My better half has had several years of trigger experience, we know what works and what doesn't. Every day, we know we are one day closer to that fateful time when Spaz goes Spaz.
I was also commenting on the original question of cool triggers.
I will not slam you nor your friend, however, I do disagree with your tank mates.
Best of luck to you both, just learn to know the warning signs, and try to avert possible demise, and remove any fish that is beginning to show more aggression than usual. Really, good luck, and hurry and figure out how to resize your pics, I'd love to see them.
Later..............C
man thats cool to have someone else on the same side as me and fastazzr1 someone whos not affarid to put more than one trigger togerher to have a bitching display tank. good luck with ur tank and keep me posted.
and i also believe you have good entensions.
No, don't take my post incorrectly, I do not agree with the number of triggers you have in your tank, nor the number in your friend's tank.
We are pushing it with the three we have!! That is why we have the standby tank for when the Undy goes off her rocker. We know by experience what will happen. I agree with the majority of posters who advise that you are asking for trouble. I was just giving an update for those that may remember my posting from a year or so ago who also showed concern about our last addition, the Undy. 2 years is doing pretty well for this combo. My better half has had several years of trigger experience, we know what works and what doesn't. Every day, we know we are one day closer to that fateful time when Spaz goes Spaz.
I was also commenting on the original question of cool triggers.
I will not slam you nor your friend, however, I do disagree with your tank mates.
Best of luck to you both, just learn to know the warning signs, and try to avert possible demise, and remove any fish that is beginning to show more aggression than usual. Really, good luck, and hurry and figure out how to resize your pics, I'd love to see them.
Later..............C
bigman
Member
to be honest i was just happy to see someone else outthere whom has more than one trigger in a tank, We were told it cant be done by some, and you say you've had yours for 2 years or so thats great. Fastazzr1 has as well. His tank looks great. you may not agree with me but its cool. ANd yes we both have back up plan. What funny is that in Fastazzr1 tank his triggers are not the aggresive one its the puffers.and you can see by his pic that the triggers are not small. So for someone to say its not gonna work each fish/ tank will be different and have different experiences. Each fish has it own personality. but thanks for the info and good luck comments.
fastazzr1
Member
Originally Posted by Titan
This is mearly my opinion, but "most" lfs are crooked, and irresponsible beyond belief. I got into the hobby almost eight years ago, and at the start I solely took my lfs advice. This led to two wipeouts, and hundreds of dollars in wasted fish... Alot of these shops terminate fish that don't sell over extended periods of time. They give them a dip in fresh water and throw them in the freezer; breathing slows and they die. Some say it's peaceful....yeah They'll tell you what you want to hear; it's big buisness$$$. Are they going to replace your fish six months from now? A year or two? If so, I've gotta visit that place. Lifetime gurantee on swf, sweet
I'm not saying don't mix triggers, but be wary of which ones to mix. I've got a 9" Niger in with a 4.5" Picasso that I've had for years now. My Undulate was with them, but I knew it was only temporary. First, based on info; then countless hours of observation with a slow increase in destructive behaviour. This fish bit half of the upper lip off my hummu, chewed most of the tail fin of my Queen Coris, and had my Ocellated Toby jammed in a piece of LR for days. The puffer would come out when food was in the tank, and the Undy was on it like white on rice. Even with a voracious appetite, the trigger would forgo the food to get at the puffer. The suction cups on powerheads are roughly the size of a quarter; I have to replace them every three months when they're smaller than a penny and no longer hold. She mows them to little nubs. Recently, I had to replace the pump on the CSS220 that skims her tank. After countless bites, the seal broke and fried it! Nearly taking the fish with it; good thing they're tough!
I've got a 300GL system in my downstairs livingroom, and personally wouldn't mix a group of trigs at the aggressive hierarchy. It's almost scary to see what these guys can do!
Fastazz, this is a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge on fish keeping. Whether you like it or not we can express our opinions in an adult/mature manner; take it or leave it, but there's no need to be so defensive. Have a good day
Titan, im not being sensitive. if thats how you took it then i apologize for making you feel that way. i do agree with you about this being a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge. everyone has there own opion and i respect that. all im asking for is the same respect when it comes to my opions, regaurdless of how wrong you may think i am. you have a good day as well.
This is mearly my opinion, but "most" lfs are crooked, and irresponsible beyond belief. I got into the hobby almost eight years ago, and at the start I solely took my lfs advice. This led to two wipeouts, and hundreds of dollars in wasted fish... Alot of these shops terminate fish that don't sell over extended periods of time. They give them a dip in fresh water and throw them in the freezer; breathing slows and they die. Some say it's peaceful....yeah
They'll tell you what you want to hear; it's big buisness$$$. Are they going to replace your fish six months from now? A year or two? If so, I've gotta visit that place. Lifetime gurantee on swf, sweet
I'm not saying don't mix triggers, but be wary of which ones to mix. I've got a 9" Niger in with a 4.5" Picasso that I've had for years now. My Undulate was with them, but I knew it was only temporary. First, based on info; then countless hours of observation with a slow increase in destructive behaviour. This fish bit half of the upper lip off my hummu, chewed most of the tail fin of my Queen Coris, and had my Ocellated Toby jammed in a piece of LR for days. The puffer would come out when food was in the tank, and the Undy was on it like white on rice. Even with a voracious appetite, the trigger would forgo the food to get at the puffer. The suction cups on powerheads are roughly the size of a quarter; I have to replace them every three months when they're smaller than a penny and no longer hold. She mows them to little nubs. Recently, I had to replace the pump on the CSS220 that skims her tank. After countless bites, the seal broke and fried it! Nearly taking the fish with it; good thing they're tough!
I've got a 300GL system in my downstairs livingroom, and personally wouldn't mix a group of trigs at the aggressive hierarchy. It's almost scary to see what these guys can do!
Fastazz, this is a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge on fish keeping. Whether you like it or not we can express our opinions in an adult/mature manner; take it or leave it, but there's no need to be so defensive. Have a good day
Titan, im not being sensitive. if thats how you took it then i apologize for making you feel that way. i do agree with you about this being a fish board for people to retain and give knowledge. everyone has there own opion and i respect that. all im asking for is the same respect when it comes to my opions, regaurdless of how wrong you may think i am. you have a good day as well.
triggered
Member
Originally Posted by BIGMAN
to be honest i was just happy to see someone else outthere whom has more than one trigger in a tank, We were told it cant be done by some, and you say you've had yours for 2 years or so thats great. Fastazzr1 has as well. His tank looks great. you may not agree with me but its cool. ANd yes we both have back up plan. What funny is that in Fastazzr1 tank his triggers are not the aggresive one its the puffers.and you can see by his pic that the triggers are not small. So for someone to say its not gonna work each fish/ tank will be different and have different experiences. Each fish has it own personality. but thanks for the info and good luck comments.
Actually there are several posters that have sucessfully kept 2 triggers together for several years. It is the popular belief that trouble does not start until you add the third....fourth.........fifth trigger, or you over populate the tank which enhances the likelihood of territorial disputes.
If you read through several of the "trigger" threads, you will see that several have sucessess with 2 of the least aggressive triggers, in fairly large tanks with limited tank mates.
We are pretty sure that the Pinktail and Picasso will be fine for some time in the 125g, however, the Undy will come out as soon as the warning signs begin.
All we are suggesting, is to be ready. Our tank has been okay for 2+ years, however, we KNOW it will only be a matter of time. I understand your point that each fish and tank is different. My gosh...an Undulated being shy for 2+ years, that is rare. However, she IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, the meanest of the 3 we have. She is sneaky, and a little sniping witch..(I kid the Undy.....)not.
It is not a pretty sight, I witnessed if first hand at an lfs. We had watched this trigger for over a year............then..........snap
poor fish
Anywho, enough of that, have you figured out how to resize your pics yet? It took me a couple of tries as well.
Any comment ofn the Mely's?
Later.......C
to be honest i was just happy to see someone else outthere whom has more than one trigger in a tank, We were told it cant be done by some, and you say you've had yours for 2 years or so thats great. Fastazzr1 has as well. His tank looks great. you may not agree with me but its cool. ANd yes we both have back up plan. What funny is that in Fastazzr1 tank his triggers are not the aggresive one its the puffers.and you can see by his pic that the triggers are not small. So for someone to say its not gonna work each fish/ tank will be different and have different experiences. Each fish has it own personality. but thanks for the info and good luck comments.
Actually there are several posters that have sucessfully kept 2 triggers together for several years. It is the popular belief that trouble does not start until you add the third....fourth.........fifth trigger, or you over populate the tank which enhances the likelihood of territorial disputes.
If you read through several of the "trigger" threads, you will see that several have sucessess with 2 of the least aggressive triggers, in fairly large tanks with limited tank mates.
We are pretty sure that the Pinktail and Picasso will be fine for some time in the 125g, however, the Undy will come out as soon as the warning signs begin.
All we are suggesting, is to be ready. Our tank has been okay for 2+ years, however, we KNOW it will only be a matter of time. I understand your point that each fish and tank is different. My gosh...an Undulated being shy for 2+ years, that is rare. However, she IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, the meanest of the 3 we have. She is sneaky, and a little sniping witch..(I kid the Undy.....)not.
It is not a pretty sight, I witnessed if first hand at an lfs. We had watched this trigger for over a year............then..........snap
Anywho, enough of that, have you figured out how to resize your pics yet? It took me a couple of tries as well.
Any comment ofn the Mely's?
Later.......C
bigman
Member
Thanks again, I have not done that yet, i took the pictures for fastazzr1 with my camera and i also sent him some of my tank for him to resize for me. most of my software or programs are on my computer and ive been on the laptop, i cant move around i have dislocated both knee caps, so when i get around to it i will. Fastazzr1 came by today and did a water change for me. But i soon hope to be posting pics.
hatessushi
Active Member
Originally Posted by BIGMAN
they eat more in the wild and the body of water is a thousand times larger. just asking thou i might be wrong.
Correction, try a few million times larger at least.
they eat more in the wild and the body of water is a thousand times larger. just asking thou i might be wrong.
Correction, try a few million times larger at least.
hatessushi
Active Member
Very beautiful fish
