To the people who bash Bush here's what we had

[darthtang aw]

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.
If I remember right, 15 people were convicted due to Whitewater....four of which the President Pardoned.

 

[turningtim]

Sorry but I will disagree, The only reason we (the US) were being laughed at is simply b/c we made such a big deal out of a married man playing around with someone he works with.
It was only a disgrace for people here that made such a big deal out of nothing.
It was only an embarrassment b/c of the national witch hunt, a complete waste of time and money.
Sorry folks but in this country and others it happens everyday, all day in corporate America and our Government.
Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world could care less about who the Pres is sleeping with.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
Sorry but I will disagree, The only reason we (the US) were being laughed at is simply b/c we made such a big deal out of a married man playing around with someone he works with.
It was only a disgrace for people here that made such a big deal out of nothing.
It was only an embarrassment b/c of the national witch hunt, a complete waste of time and money.
Sorry folks but in this country and others it happens everyday, all day in corporate America and our Government.
Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world could care less about who the Pres is sleeping with.
never mind that he lied to congress

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by autofreak44
although your first statement is probably true, i seriously doubt that bush's list will be longer. also who was doin' who affected the country greatly becasue it was a national embarrassment and made all of the US look like we have no class thus loosing international respect. bush only has a year and a half left, i doubt by then there will be a list that long

I disagree with the embarrassment thing.... other countries felt it was silly about the spetical we made out of the whole situation. We lost respect by going into Iraq... and the image that Bush portrays with his seemingly lack of intelligence, the way he speaks, and his international relations...People expect people of power to have women....If anyone should be embrassed it should only be his family, not our country.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bigarn
Hmmm .... I think this is true.

Ok, had to go double check, It is false, during and after OSLO accords he was in Germ,any...however he was angry because of the Oslo Accords.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
never mind that he lied to congress
He shouldn't have to explain to congress his --- life, of course he lied...I think anyone who gets caught cheating and wants to stay married is going to lie about it

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
Sorry folks but in this country and others it happens everyday, all day in corporate America and our Government.
Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world could care less about who the Pres is sleeping with.

True, but lkying under oath on the Stand in a Court room, is a crime. I could careless who was given it up for him and when. But do NOT disrespect our judicial system ads the President of the United States. That made me mad.
However, few men would have stated they cheated with their wife right there watching.

 

[turningtim]

Your right he lied to congress about sleeping or whatever he did with another adult.
But why should congress be interested in why or what he did with another consenting adult?
Do they not have anything better to do?
I would be very careful about throwing the word liar out there b/c I have a feeling the this admin will be found out to have lied about a whole lot more then adultery.

 

[jmick]

So how does going back to Clinton's errors matter? The past is the past and we need to focus on what the current administration is doing...thought this little list was interesting...
What are the top reasons for impeaching Bush?
Iraq
Invading Iraq without any threat to the U.S.
Lying about Iraqi WMD's to Congress and the American people
Causing the deaths of over 2,000 U.S. troops and the maiming of over 10,000 more
Failing to provide adequate equipment and armor to U.S. troops
Allowing illegal torture and murder of prisoners
Causing the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi civilians
Spending $300 billion in just two years for an occupation that could last for decades
Letting Halliburton steal billions through no-bid contracts
Using vast quantities of depleted uranium weapons that will poison Iraq now and for generations to come
September 11
Ignoring countless warnings of an attack in the U.S.
Reading "My Pet Goat" during the attack
Letting Osama Bin Laden escape from Afghanistan
Holding no bureaucrat accountable for ignoring warnings
Delaying and obstructing the 911 Commission investigation
Turning Afghanistan into the world's largest opium producer
Terrorism
Allowing international terrorism incidents to quadruple and trying to cover up the facts
Failing to secure our borders and ports to prevent terrorism
Creating a new generation of terrorists through the invasion of Iraq and the killing of 100,000 civilians
Letting terrorists buy high-powered weapons inside the U.S.
Letting North Korea build nuclear bombs and missiles that can cross the Pacific Ocean
Refusing to shut down Pakistan's nuclear weapons exports
Foreign relations
Turning the world against the United States
Preparing for another war with Iran
Signing treaties that cost America jobs and undermine American laws
Economy
Letting gasoline prices double at devastating cost to the economy while oil companies make record profits
Letting corrupt companies like Enron steal billions from consumers and employees
Cutting taxes for the rich and turning a $5 trillion budget surplus into a $5 trillion budget deficit
Adding trillions to the national debt, which our children and grandchildren will have to pay off with interest
Letting millions of American jobs go overseas
Freedom
Letting bureaucrats wiretap Americans without a court order
Locking up suspects for years without charges or trials
Arresting nonviolent protesters at Bush events
Packing the courts with right-wing judges to outlaw abortion
Ordering federal courts to interfere in the Terri Schiavo tragedy
Taking away our right to sue corporations through class actions
Taking away our right to declare bankruptcy under Chapter 7 and forcing middle-class Americans into debt slavery
Democracy
Stealing the Presidential elections of 2000 and 2004
Refusing to investigate the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of voters in Florida and Ohio
Promoting black-box electronic voting machines without paper trails
Embracing dictators in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Russia, and China
Overthrowing democratically-elected leaders in Haiti and Venezuela
Environment
Allowing global warming, which will cause massive environmental damage
Allowing more toxic mercury in the air and water
Allowing oil drilling in wilderness areas
Scandals
Illegally "outing" CIA agent Valerie Plame, an important anti-terrorism official
Letting a gay male prostitute (Jeff Gannon) roam free in the White House
Paying journalists to give favorable coverage to the administration
Relying on an earpiece for answers during debates and press conferences
Going AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 and covering it up ever since
Defending the most corrupt Member of Congress (Tom DeLay)

 

[bigarn]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Ok, had to go double check, It is false, during and after OSLO accords he was in Germ,any...however he was angry because of the Oslo Accords.
no kidding? thanks for setting the record straight.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
Your right he lied to congress about sleeping or whatever he did with another adult.
But why should congress be interested in why or what he did with another consenting adult?
Do they not have anything better to do?
I would be very careful about throwing the word liar out there b/c I have a feeling the this admin will be found out to have lied about a whole lot more then adultery.

Did you say WMD's ???

 

[turningtim]

Darth I understand your point but what does it really have to do with what he did when he was in office.
Don't get me wrong folks, am on neither side and vote for who I think can do the best job. I voted for Bush and I feel a whole lot more disapointment then I did with Clinton.....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by TurningTim
Your right he lied to congress about sleeping or whatever he did with another adult.
But why should congress be interested in why or what he did with another consenting adult?
Do they not have anything better to do?
He was under investigation for sexual Harrasment. That is why they cared...a woman took issue with his advances. Or do we suddenly not care about women's rights anymore?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Jmick
So how does going back to Clinton's errors matter? The past is the past and we need to focus on what the current administration is doing...thought this little list was interesting...
What are the top reasons for impeaching Bush?
Iraq.............................................................................................
..................................................................................................
Defending the most corrupt Member of Congress (Tom DeLay)

Did you forget about Katrina?????

 

[turningtim]

And did they convict him of that crime or find any evidence to a crime?
Some how if they did the Monica is out of the picture and he's in jail. right?
Oh no and as you stated any man worth his weight would do the same thing in any court b/c there is no crime in sleeping with someone who is not your wife.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
He was under investigation for sexual Harrasment. That is why they cared...a woman took issue with his advances. Or do we suddenly not care about women's rights anymore?
What? give me a break... this was just about sensational news and a way to attack the democratic party and Clinton's presidency

 

[seasalt101]

jmick you have been given facts after facts about how iraq shot at our planes and violated time after time the conditions of surrender, how about instead of throwing out the same rhetoric you always due try throwing some proven facts out there instaed of blanket accusations...tobin

 

[jmick]

Granted some of what was on the list I provided is heresay but there is a lot of facts there as well...if I wasn't at work and had more time I could easily back up most of that list.
So what parts of the list do you most disagree with?
I'd much rather have a president who has taste for women then a president who has a taste for blow, alcohol, hyprocracy, hidden agendas, pushing his beliefs, hatred and greed.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
What? give me a break... this was just about sensational news and a way to attack the democratic party and Clinton's presidency

So it is OK to lie under oath? Regardless of the charges...The judicial system should be upheld and respected. By him not even getting a minor slap on the wrist it showed the world and our country we do not have to obey and follow our laws and that the laws are a joke and not needed to be followed....Regardless of what he lied about the issue for me was he disrespected the judicial system.......and you are OK with that?
If so, then bush should not be impeached and called a liar. I don't care the reasons behind such an action, If one liar should be given a pass then the other should as well....regardless of reprecussions to our country. The laws are their for a reason and not subject to determination based on what was lied about....

 

[seasalt101]

the drilling in the wilderness i as most of america paying 3.00+ a gallon as an oilfield worker i have been on sites with bear, deer, raccoons, moose, caribou, badgers, pronghorns plus many many more creatures we do not harm the environment i was on the number one frac team in the world measures are taken, 2. global warming huh more has been done with this president than ever to reduce it, 3. unemployment always been a strong suit there, do not know what you are talking about, 4. jobs going overseas that was started by nafta/clinton, 5. halliburton is the only company that could do a job that big, i know this it's in my field it's what i do, 6. stealing the elections how many more recounts do you need, 7. if you tax the rich the cost would just trickle down to the consumer they would raise cost accordingly, 8. clinton gave north korea the bomb not bush, i will wait for you to get home or your next post to continue...tobin