To the people who bash Bush here's what we had

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by dohboy35
Excuse me for being new to the board (Only 24hours) i hadnt noticed which thread it was in was browsing by most recent post. I did expect a flame better then that though...lol
i'm not that mean welcome to the boards we talk a lot of politics, pets, alcohol, etc.over here this is where we get away from the fish talk we do a lot of that on the other forums there is a lot of knowledge here if you are new to saltwater again welcome...tobin

 

[dohboy35]

thx. i need some inexpensive lighting...lol..i spent half my life living over seas it amazes me that people think they know what the world thinks of the US, our system is the way it is to help keep government "honest" but critizing every thing they they do doesnt do much good, we are only privy to some information not all, thats why time will tell if they were good or bad, just as they can only make policy based on the information that they get. we could be alot worse off then we are.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by dohboy35
thx. i need some inexpensive lighting...lol..i spent half my life living over seas it amazes me that people think they know what the world thinks of the US, our system is the way it is to help keep government "honest" but critizing every thing they they do doesnt do much good, we are only privy to some information not all, thats why time will tell if they were good or bad, just as they can only make policy based on the information that they get. we could be alot worse off then we are.
oh i know that if we knew everything the world would know right along with us, ok what do you plan to keep and how big of a tank?...tobin

 

[dohboy35]

ill pm if thats ok dont wanna get flamed for off topic.....lmao

 

[seasalt101]

that's fine or you can go over to new hobbiest your call but pm only allows 500 characters...tobin

 

[dohboy35]

i pm'd, you ever use ventrillo? it voice over net (free)

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by dohboy35
i pm'd, you ever use ventrillo? it voice over net (free)
no and i'm a computer idiot only thing i know how to do is surf and check my e-mail...tobin

 

[firefish9]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
can u imagine if we could have a president that makes no mistakes , is right in what he does 100 percent of the time and has 100 percent approval rateing . that will never happen why even argue about it , knowmatter whos in office there will always be faults

Although the history textbooks say FDR came pretty close.

 

[seasalt101]

fdr was good because we when attacked at pearl harbor he saw it through almost all the way to the end,(death is a pretty good stopper) and with bush the twin towers destroyed pentagon attacked an attempted attack on the white house i'll take bush any day of the week since then no attacks on u.s. soil the iraqi people want us there the terrorist do not because we are kickin the crap out of them, and to you people who make fun of his intellect, while not the best speaker he is intelligent how many of you can say you graduated from yale...tobin

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
fdr was good because we when attacked at pearl harbor he saw it through almost all the way to the end,(death is a pretty good stopper) and with bush the twin towers destroyed pentagon attacked an attempted attack on the white house i'll take bush any day of the week since then no attacks on u.s. soil the iraqi people want us there the terrorist do not because we are kickin the crap out of them, and to you people who make fun of his intellect, while not the best speaker he is intelligent how many of you can say you graduated from yale...tobin
do you honestly think he got into and graduated from Yale based on his own merits? Or do you think it had something to do with his family name?

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
do you honestly think he got into and graduated from Yale based on his own merits? Or do you think it had something to do with his family name?
that part does not matter to me upper crust people go to upper crust schools, that's life...tobin

 

[seasalt101]

also i know flying a jet fighter takes a fair amount of intelligence...tobin

 

[ice4ice]

There is one minor detail regarding Bin Laden. Bush did not let him get away. If you go waaay back to the Iran-Contra incident, it was in fact, Oliver North who testified AND warned Congress and the U.S. Government about bin Laden. Reagan had let him escaped - not Bush or Clinton.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Ice4Ice
There is one minor detail regarding Bin Laden. Bush did not let him get away. If you go waaay back to the Iran-Contra incident, it was in fact, Oliver North who testified AND warned Congress and the U.S. Government about bin Laden. Reagan had let him escaped - not Bush or Clinton.
but he was captured after the 1st wtc parking garage attempt with clinton and clinton let him go back when you mention reagan and the iran contra thing bin laden was a u.s ally fighting against russia in afghanistan and i use the term ally loosely...tobin
i originally said iran oops...tobin

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Ice4Ice
There is one minor detail regarding Bin Laden. Bush did not let him get away. If you go waaay back to the Iran-Contra incident, it was in fact, Oliver North who testified AND warned Congress and the U.S. Government about bin Laden. Reagan had let him escaped - not Bush or Clinton.
bin laden was an ally at that time because he was fighting against the Russians. he was not even an outspoken anti-US voice at that time.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
but he was captured after the 1st wtc parking garage attempt with clinton and clinton let him go back when you mention reagan and the iran contra thing bin laden was a u.s ally fighting against iran and i use the term ally loosely...tobin

bin laden was never "captured". there were 2 opportunities for him to be killed. I can't remember the details surrounding them. one was that a local Afghan tribe was trained by the CIA to go in and get bin laden. but Clinton pulled out at the last minute because someone told him they weren't trained enough. I can't remember the other time. I think it had something to do with children or a saudi prince or something being in the way. not saying that's a good excuse, just saying that he was never physically in custody of anyone.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Pontius
bin laden was an ally at that time because he was fighting against the Russians. he was not even an outspoken anti-US voice at that time.
In all fairness, you can't blame Clinton, Bush1, or Reagan for not capturing and containing Bin Laden because none of them could have forseen the events of 911 and Bin Laden being capable of that. I do believe that we had the chance to get him after the fact, but we failed and missed the opportunities we did have.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Pontius
bin laden was never "captured". there were 2 opportunities for him to be killed. I can't remember the details surrounding them. one was that a local Afghan tribe was trained by the CIA to go in and get bin laden. but Clinton pulled out at the last minute because someone told him they weren't trained enough. I can't remember the other time. I think it had something to do with children or a saudi prince or something being in the way. not saying that's a good excuse, just saying that he was never physically in custody of anyone.
i thought egypt or saudi arabia actually had him in custody and clinton feeling he did not have enough on him to save political face refused exradition or something very similar to that anyway i could be mistaken though...tobin

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
In all fairness, you can't blame Clinton, Bush1, or Reagan for not capturing and containing Bin Laden because none of them could have forseen the events of 911 and Bin Laden being capable of that. I do believe that we had the chance to get him after the fact, but we failed and missed the opportunities we did have.
the 1st attack on the wtc was feb. 26 1993 the u.s.s. cole oct. 12 2000 these were under clintons watch so were the embassy bombings...tobin

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
i thought egypt or saudi arabia actually had him in custody and clinton feeling he did not have enough on him to save political face refused exradition or something very similar to that anyway i could be mistaken though...tobin
you are right, but that led to bin laden being exiled from saudi arabia. it was more of a case (if I remember right) that the saudis felt that bin laden was going to cause trouble and they didn't want a rift between them and the US. but there was really nothing hard on bin laden at that time, that was before he really started any major terrorist operations. in fact, I think that was before the first WTC attack (which bin laden had nothing to do with anyway).