Tony Romo Discussion

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
I don't think there is any denying that the Cowboys have some serious talent. DeMarcus Ware is awesome, and I really like Newman, Henry, Bradie James, Roy, Julius, Barber, Romo, and Whitten, to name a few.
With that said, there is no denying that Cadillac Williams is a talented runner. He would be great if he had some players on his team. How are you supposed to deceive anyone when you have a young Gradkowski at QB? I like Gradkowski, but the guy is going to need time to develop. Romo needed 4 years and look at Romo now. I personally think Joey Galloway is a loser. I have never liked the guy.
I don't see why everyone has to bicker over this. Subjectivity will solve nothing. (As a side note, I only closed the Eli thread because I would prefer not to have 10 football threads cluttering up the boards.)

There is no doubt the COwboys have some talent. They may are may not be the best at their position, but collectively Dallas is in the hunt at 8-8 or better.
I presonally felt 8 wins was a high water mark for Dallas before the season started, but given the injuries in the division and the overall weakness of the nfc......they appear to have a solid shot at the playoffs.
They do not have a good conference and/or division record which is key for tiebreakers down the road. SHould they stub their toe on a few more division and/or conference games...it could cost them in the end.

 

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Originally Posted by Oceanists
I think Parcells is gonna be back. Which I dont mind as long as we reach the playoffs this year.
I sense he will not be back. And I would not be surpirsed if Jones is out fishing already for a replacement regardless....just in case he does punt after the season.
It appears to me he no longer has the fire.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
All championships are won in the era they are played and count. Green bay has 12.
Yeah, i'm real impressed with the defacto championships without playing a title game in 29', 30', and 31' for the packers. That was definitely football as we know it and every bit as impressive as the cowboys 3 titles in the 90's. 36' and 39' were real impressive as well in a 12 team league, at least they actually started playing a title game by them. In the last 39 years, the Packers have a grand total of 1 title! I think ill take the Cowboys glory days over a bunch of titles in the 30's

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Gruden Critical Of Report He's Putting Out Feelers For Jobs
by: Roy Cummings
Published: Nov 20, 2006
TAMPA - Bucs coach Jon Gruden responded angrily to a report in Sunday's Tampa Tribune that said he is actively seeking work elsewhere and could wind up coaching the Dallas Cowboys in 2007.
"Whoever wrote that story is an idiot," Gruden said after the Bucs' 20-17 victory against the Redskins. "I'm committed to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers; it's the only job I've ever wanted."
Gruden's remarks came in response to a column written by Ira Kaufman, who covers the NFL for the Tribune and quoted an NFL source who said it's possible that Gruden could leave the Bucs before his contract expires in 2008.
HE WISHES!

 

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SOme of the comments I have heard from Parcells regarding Romo from memoery...when he throws on the run he is inaccuate...if he takes his girlfriend to the carnival she won;t be bringing many stuffed animals back home. He makes decisions that eventually will get us in trouble. All classic Parcells.

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Yeah, i'm real impressed with the defacto championships without playing a title game in 29', 30', and 31' for the packers. That was definitely football as we know it and every bit as impressive as the cowboys 3 titles in the 90's 36' and 39' were real impressive as well in a 12 team league, at least they actually started playing a title game by them. In the last 39 years, the Packers have a grand total of 1 title! I think ill take the Cowboys glory days over a bunch of titles in the 30's
Cheapen them as you see fit. Um..did you miscount the SB wins?

 

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In the only era that counts..the Super Bowl according to you...Green bay has three...plus 9 pre-SUperbowl..which is just a name for the nfl championship game now.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Cheapen them as you see fit. Um..did you miscount the SB wins?
I dont have to cheapen them, the fact that football in 1929 in no way, shape or form remotely resembled the modern game cheapens them enough. 1929?? I mean c'mon really.
No, they have 1 title in the last 38 years and 10 months to be exact. Since we made our 1st of 8!!!! they have only been to 2 and won 1.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
In the only era that counts..the Super Bowl according to you...Green bay has three...plus 9 pre-SUperbowl..which is just a name for the nfl championship game now.
Actually, i said since the merger is the real starting point. Isnt that a logical place to say the "NFL" as we know it really began? I think so. Since that time, its 5-1!!!!

 

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All championships are won in the era they are played and by those rules. I have a great respect for any team that wins a championship...the Cowboys, Bears, Cheifs, jets, Packers, Bucs, etc, etc.
Like I stated...if the true barometer of nfl franchise greatness is championships that belongs to Green bay.
If the nfl is broken down to eras todays's progress to free agency and the salary cap belongs to the Patriots.
many of the Steelers on those great teams of the 70's have stated they probably only would have won one Super Bowl if they had free agency and the salary cap back then.
I take nothing away from any team that won a chamionship or championships in any era.

 

[emmitt2]

That may be true if you lived in the 30's or the 60's but from 1970-1991, the packers were one of the worst teams in football year in, year out. They finished last in their division 5 times with only 1 division title in that span and Tampa was in their division!!! 1 division title in almost 25 years?!?!!? Now thats a SLUMP!!!! We won 11 during the same 24 years between their division crowns!
I dont care how many titles you won 75 years ago when you spend an entire generation as the laughingstock of the NFL, that puts a serious tarnish on whatever happened in the 30's

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Actually, i said since the merger is the real starting point. Isnt that a logical place to say the "NFL" as we know it really began? I think so. Since that time, its 5-1 baby!!!!
No, because that fits your scenario...not mine. The nfl as we know it began many decades ago and long before the Cowboys.
The Cowboys have their place in past history as a great team in the 90's....as do others in previous decades. So, to discount one era over another does nothing IMO..as all teams had to compete under the rules and guidelines in the era they played.
To achieve a chamionship in ANY era is an accomplishment not to be easliy dismissed in another era as if it never counted or no longer has nay basis or significance.
The gmae has evolved over time..and 50 years from now......I hope fans do not dismiss the run the Cowboys had in the 90's as you now due past eras.
In fact..many still claim the best player to ever step foot on a football field was Red Grange..I only wish I had the oppurtunity to watch him play. Many who did claim he was a marvel to behold.....even given the stars of today.
So you go right ahead and cheapen the past....as Grange was arguably the greatest player ever.

 

[emmitt2]

Thats so funny. I assure you, Grange would not make a Division III football team in this era. He was a marvel to behold because he played against guys we could run circles around. Not to mention, must have been nice for him to never face an African american as they werent allowed to play yet.
To not dismiss titles or teams from other eras is one thing but to compare someone from the 20's to a player today is silly. Red Grange would be the slowest and smallest player on any team today. Tomlinson would bust a gut laughing if Grange showed up at training camp.
Considering he retired over 70 years ago, im not sure how much i trust anyones memory of how great he was compared to todays players.
Lemme tell ya, i work with and see Jim Kiick every day and trust me, NO WAY he could play in this era at RB. He is smaller and thinner than me! The game has changed incredible in just the last 20 years much less 30 or 70 years!! Fridge was insane at 300 lbs 20 years ago, now if you are 300 they say you are too small to play o-line.

 

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"I was interviewing George Halas and I asked him who is the greatest running back you ever saw. And he said, 'That would be Red Grange.' And I asked him if Grange was playing today, how many yards do you think he'd gain. And he said, 'About 750, maybe 800 yards.' And I said, 'Well, 800 yards is just okay.' He sat up in his chair and he said, 'Son, you must remember one thing. Red Grange is 75 years old.'" -- Chris Berman on ESPN's SportsCentury sho

 

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"This man Red Grange of Illinois is three or four men rolled into one for football purposes," wrote Damon Runyon. "He is Jack Dempsey, Babe Ruth, Al Jolson, Paavo Nurmi and Man o' War. Put together, they spell Grange."
If you made a football movie and the star scored four touchdowns, covering an incredible 262 yards, in just 12 minutes, would anyone think it was anything but fiction? But that's what Grange accomplished against one of the best defenses in the country. That 1924 game against Michigan so inspired Grantland Rice to give Grange his nickname and write:
A streak of fire, a breath of flame
Eluding all who reach and clutch;
A gray ghost thrown into the game
That rival hands may never touch;
A rubber bounding, blasting soul
Whose destination is the goal.

 

[emmitt2]

Halas died in 83 and wasnt exactly at "top speed" the last few years so the latest he saw any running back was about at best 1980. That hardly is a comparison to today backs.
By the way, that was alot funnier when Ty Cobb said it. Was Halas really that big of a hack that he stole that line from Cobb????

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Tomlinson would bust a gut laughing if Grange showed up at training camp
Like many nfl players today...he would shake his hand and say...you were on of the greatest...he would not laugh as Tomlinson strikes me as someone that has much respect for the game...past and present. Look at the top ten lists of greatest football players of all-time..and you will see Grange on most if not all of them.
Respect is what it is all about.
later.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Like many nfl players today...he would shake his hand and say...you were on of the greatest...he would not laugh as Tomlinson strikes me as someone that has much respect for the game...past and present. Look at the top ten lists of greatest football players of all-time..and you will see Grange on most if not all of them.
Respect is what it is all about.
later.
Of course Tomlinson isnt going to laugh in the face of a 90 year old hall of fame legend. I meant if a young nobody Grange showed up to try out for the SD team TODAY since you said he was the best player ever even by todays standards. He would get laughed off the field on the 1st play. You insinuated he would dominate today, no way he could even get on the field. Not a chance.

 

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From nfl.com
He is still considered one of the greatest athletes of all-time almost 70 years after playing his last game. Red Grange changed the future landscape of the NFL in the 1920's by making it respectable for college players to turn professional, thus paving the way for modern day football stars.
Hmmm one of the GREATEST athletes of all-time....no...not just the 20's but ALL TIME?

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Of course Tomlinson isnt going to laugh in the face of a 90 year old hall of fame legend. I meant if a young nobody Grange showed up to try out for the SD team TODAY since you said he was the best player ever even by todays standards. He would get laughed off the field on the 1st play. You insinuated he would dominate today, no way he could even get on the field. Not a chance.
Follow the thread.....I said many today claim he was the best ever. based on what I have read I beleive he in fact was ONE of the best players of all-time...including today. I certainly never saw him play a down...but others that have researched the topic and actually saw him play make this claim.
Even the nfl.com labels him one of the best athlets of all-time.
I'll attach some weight to what they say...and others that have studied the subject.
I am simply pointing out that even 70 years ago..great by today's standards existed...based on those that have studied the subject.
Again..it's all about respect of accomplishment....and recognizing a world outside of today..and how perhaps some even back then.....would be termed today....GREAT!