Tony Romo Discussion

[lion_crazz]

Emmitt, I never said that I wanted everyone to agree. A discussion will involve some disagreements. You can still disagree without being uncivil.
Plus, I deleted the Romo remark on RU's post before you even said that.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Ummm...... His "expert opinions" that you stated were so unmatched was a ridiculous quote from Halas saying that Grange would still rush for 750 yards as a 75 year old man in the modern game he was so great. If that isnt saying he would dominate today, what is??? Unless you meant the other "expert opinion" Scuba provided from Damon Runyon talking about a game Grange played in COLLEGE.
Also, personal attacks are 1 thing, Lion but you edited out of one of my postsand i quote"Are you joking" I just noticed. That is what i said and you EDITED THAT OUT

What exactly is inflammatory or attacking about that?????? We cant say "Are you joking"??!!? I think that taking things a tad far to help out Scuba

If you do not wish to talk about the subject as you previously stated..what to you keep bringing it up? Simply check the lists of many of the ALL-TIME greatest players of the game...and you will see the name Grange on most if not all.
I can bring other opinions/sources/comments regarding Grange here....but I will not. I simplly stated an opinion...then brought other comments that support it.
That is how you document a postion...you state an opinion...then site sources that support your opinion. It does not make your opinion correct...it simply backs it up to some extent. it also indicates that the opinion one states comes from an informed postion...but it is not to be considered as the only one that matters....or the only one that counts.
That is the beauty of debate...folks take positions, site sources...and those that have no opinion may take one side or the other......or simply form their own that may be a combination of both positions. others may cross over to an opinion that is contrary to one they previously held.
When you site a source...it leads one to beleive...you have studied the subject..and your words or more than just "hot air".

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ruaround
i wouldnt say that they have figured out Gradkowski... he is a ROOKIE... and what is so hard to figure out about... hand off to williams, throw for 3 yds, handoff to pittman~or~alstott, punt... not hard to figure out man... the Bucs offensive play callin has catered to Grads limited time... call it what you may, but these are growing pains, and to me it is still a blast to go watch the Bucs play...
Yeah, there isnt anything to figure out about Gradkowski as he doesnt have much talent, at least right now.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
As a Cowboy fan, I have a slightly higher standard for what i expect and want to see.
what does this have to do with the cost of tea in China??? so youre bashing me again for being a Bucs fan, and because i simply state that i still enjoy watching the game every week... this does not lower my standards at all, infact its a matter of pride that i can walk into the local pub wearing the gear of the team i like...
thanks emmitt it has once again been a privilage!!!

 

[lion_crazz]

You cannot compare Romo and Gradkowski. Gradkowski is a rookie, whereas Romo has played for 4 years. If Romo started his rookie season, he would be altogether different.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
You cannot compare Romo and Gradkowski. Gradkowski is a rookie, whereas Romo has played for 4 years. If Romo started his rookie season, he would be altogether different.
I agree, he got thrown into the fire!!! he has ALOT to learn...

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
If you do not wish to talk about the subject as you previously stated..what to you keep bringing it up? Simply check the lists of many of the ALL-TIME greatest players of the game...and you will see the name Grange on most if not all.
I can bring other opinions/sources/comments regarding Grange here....but I will not. I simplly stated an opinion...then brought other comments that support it.
That is how you document a postion...you state an opinion...then site sources that support your opinion. It does not make your opinion correct...it simply backs it up to some extent. it also indicates that the opinion one states comes from an informed postion...but it is not to be considered as the only one that matters....or the only one that counts.
That is the beauty of debate...folks take positions, site sources...and those that have no opinion may take one side or the other......or simply form their own that may be a combination of both positions. others may cross over to an opinion that is contrary to one they previously held.
When you site a source...it leads one to beleive...you have studied the subject..and your words or more than just "hot air".
Unless your source is a bitter old man saying a 75 year old could play today. Not alot of credibility there. And no it doesnt show you have studied the subject to cite a source, it shows you can use a cut and paste feature on a computer.
Again, how bout answering about Jesse Owens. Hows his 10.3 100m time in 1936 for a source? He was undoubtedly one of the greatest athletes ever so why would his times not finish in the top 1000 at the olympics today? Conveniently like to ignore that little set of facts dont ya? I guess thats just more of my "hot air". Again, I would love to see Grange play an INTEGRATED game against todays starts. I'm sure he would outrun the fastest players and have no problem shaking hits from people twice as big and fast as he ever played against.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Never said he was league MVP or superbowl champ. I said he was playing AMAZING RIGHT NOW and he is and that is a FACT. He isnt Manning, hes way better than Eli has ever been so far in the NFL. Eli wishes he was Romo right now instead of wondering if he will EVER be a decent starter! Just let me know when coordinators figure him out. Didnt take them to long to figure out Eli or Gradkowski, did it?

The fact that coordinators will have to figure out a way to stop him only reinforces that he is PLAYING AMAZING RIGHT NOW!!!
There is an unwritten guideline in the nfl by coaches. Given me 3-4 weeks of film on a player and/or scheme and I will find a weakness.....then devise schemes to exploit same.
It does not mean a player is playing great and there is no answer...it simply menas all players have tendencies and some weakness or weaknesses ..and it takes 3-4 games worth of film today for a coach to figure it out.
To some extent...any weakness that Romom has will be indentified or has been. What he needs to do as a player is to continue to improve and work on this..so he stays one step ahead.
CAse in point..Atlanta started the year running a College run oriented offense, After week three........they were done and di not have the success they had over the first three games. They werea running machine....that could not continue at that level and win consistently.

 

[lion_crazz]

Emmitt, upon your request, I am giving one last warning. The personal attacks need to stop. Saying that RU has low standards was a personal attack.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
You cannot compare Romo and Gradkowski. Gradkowski is a rookie, whereas Romo has played for 4 years. If Romo started his rookie season, he would be altogether different.
I thought he was a flash in the pan , now all of a sudden he is a seasoned vet. You all want in both ways with Romo. Romo stinks but cant compare him to Gradkowski. Hes doing good but doesnt mean anything yet. These arguments make no sense.
You all just cant admit that ROMO is playing AMAZING and that you are all dying for him to bust. Nothing is scarier to the rest of the NFL than the thought of the hated Cowboys returning to glory. Romo has everyone scared to death that he is for real and that we are back and they will say anything to diminish his accomplishments. The FACT is that there are VERY FEW qbs in the league playing better than ROMO RIGHT NOW. When that changes, you can say something.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Unless your source is a bitter old man saying a 75 year old could play today. Not alot of credibility there. And no it doesnt show you have studied the subject to cite a source, it shows you can use a cut and paste feature on a computer.
Again, how bout answering about Jesse Owens. Hows his 10.3 100m time in 1936 for a source? He was undoubtedly one of the greatest athletes ever so why would his times not finish in the top 1000 at the olympics today? Conveniently like to ignore that little set of facts dont ya? I guess thats just more of my "hot air". Again, I would love to see Grange play an INTEGRATED game against todays starts. I'm sure he would outrun the fastest players and have no problem shaking hits from people twice as big and fast as he ever played against.
If Jesse ran today he would be working out using the standards of today...who knows what that 10.3 would be.
I thought this was a thread about Romo..so why do you steer in back to Jesse Ownes and Grange ....I thought you did not wish to discuss it? I thought you only wanted a Romo discussion?
I can assure you my opinions are informed...but you are free to beleive as you choose.
Why do you get mad when the thread takes a turn....yet you are driven to repsond and make that turn?

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Emmitt, upon your request, I am giving one last warning. The personal attacks need to stop. Saying that RU has low standards was a personal attack.

WHAT?!?!?!!? When someone says there team is struggling and playing bad but they still love watching that, I cant question that?
Did you enjoy watching the 89 season Lion? Was that a blast for you? That was hardly a low blow to question the statement of how much fun it is to watch your team struggle. You say "attacks" like even if that counted there were others. Where exactly? Show me some other "attack" i made? you dont agree so you want to moderate me when they are just as over the line if not more than me.
You have a personal issue with me from other threads we have disagreed in and since you dont agree with me, you side with them. You havent warned RU 1 time despite his numerous MUCH WORSE statements.

 

[lion_crazz]

I like Romo. I am a Cowboys fan. I want to see Romo do well because I like the Cowboys. I have never said he was a flash in the pan.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
There is an unwritten guideline in the nfl by coaches. Given me 3-4 weeks of film on a player and/or scheme and I will find a weakness.....then devise schemes to exploit same.
It does not mean a player is playing great and there is no answer...it simply menas all players have tendencies and some weakness or weaknesses ..and it takes 3-4 games worth of film today for a coach to figure it out.
To some extent...any weakness that Romom has will be indentified or has been. What he needs to do as a player is to continue to improve and work on this..so he stays one step ahead.
CAse in point..Atlanta started the year running a College run oriented offense, After week three........they were done and di not have the success they had over the first three games. They werea running machine....that could not continue at that level and win consistently.
Ok, well this will be his 5 game as a starter and 6th since taking over. So i guess he will get shut down this game byt the Bucs. Well see.
By this statement, they have figured Romo out now and since you already said many times he isnt a competent starter in the NFL, he wont have any more success, right? Well see.
What will you say when he keeps playing well i wonder?

 

[lion_crazz]

Emmitt, the personal attack comment was not directed to you. It was directed to all. You asked for me to give a warning before I close a thread, so that sentence was directed to you. And I only pointed out your comment about RU because you said you do not attack anyone when you discuss things.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
I thought he was a flash in the pan , now all of a sudden he is a seasoned vet. You all want in both ways with Romo. Romo stinks but cant compare him to Gradkowski. Hes doing good but doesnt mean anything yet. These arguments make no sense.
You all just cant admit that ROMO is playing AMAZING and that you are all dying for him to bust. Nothing is scarier to the rest of the NFL than the thought of the hated Cowboys returning to glory. Romo has everyone scared to death that he is for real and that we are back and they will say anything to diminish his accomplishments. The FACT is that there are VERY FEW qbs in the league playing better than ROMO RIGHT NOW. When that changes, you can say something.
I simply am not ready to crown Romo a superstar. many players and QB's have had impressive runs in a four game stretch.
I beleive I have previously stated I would like to see him do well given his background...so I am not certain where you are coming form when you state..."you all".
I doubt seriously there is one single defense in the nfl that is 'scared" of Romo or the Cowboys. They do have respect for both...but scared..I highly doubt it.
They are not arguments they are positions. Romo has played well in four games...played horrible in another. Four games does not make a career. It only porves in some four game stretch...Romo played well and has impressive numbers. it does not mean he is to be crowned...the Cowboy savior as of yet...at least not in my eyes.

 

[emmitt2]

I dont see how that was an attack but whatever and ive certainly NEVER said i do not attack. Many times i have, just not in this thread.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I simply am not ready to crown Romo a superstar. many players and QB's have had impressive runs in a four game stretch.
I beleive I have previously stated I would like to see him do well given his background...so I am not certain where you are coming form when you state..."you all".
I doubt seriously there is one single defense in the nfl that is 'scared" of Romo or the Cowboys. They do have respect for both...but scared..I highly doubt it.
They are not arguments they are positions. Romo has played well in four games...played horrible in another. Four games does not make a career. It only porves in some four game stretch...Romo played well and has impressive numbers. it does not mean he is to be crowned...the Cowboy savior as of yet...at least not in my eyes.
Not saying to crown him as the savior , I'm saying admit he is playing very well right now. You guys cant because you want him and the Cowboys to fail. I dont remember you saying you wanted him to do well but i distinctly remember you saying he doesnt look like "an NFL caliber QB". That statement hasnt been further than the truth for the last 4 games but you refuse to admit that. Admit that you may be wrong and that he has looked VERY good. You are ready to crown Eli as being the next savior and a future great and he has never had a better 4 game stretch.
I meant the fans when i said every one is scared, not teams. I would pray grown men arent "svcared" of the Cowboys but i assure you they are VERY worried.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Ok, well this will be his 5 game as a starter and 6th since taking over. So i guess he will get shut down this game byt the Bucs. Well see.
By this statement, they have figured Romo out now and since you already said many times he isnt a competent starter in the NFL, he wont have any more success, right? Well see.
What will you say when he keeps playing well i wonder?
I stated that was my opinion of him after the Giants game. I also have stated I could be wrong.
I am simply pointing out what most if not all nfl coaches will tell you..the three or four game tape rule.
I also beleive I stated it is Romo that must work on his game and continue to improve on any weakness or weaknesses he has. This way...he stays ahead of the game and those that wish to exploit any perceived weakness
Please follow what I say

 

[lion_crazz]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
p.s.- i havent personally attacked anyone so why bring that up exactly?? Im fine arguing civilly and enjoy it with regards to football.
This is what I was referring to. This is why I brought up the comment about the personal attack.