Tony Romo Discussion

[lion_crazz]

Scuba, it's not even worth the discussion. Your facts and expert opinions on the situation are unmatched, as far as I see it.
Forgetting players' great achievments and championship wins because they happened in the early 20th century is ludicrous.
And I agree with what you said about Tomlinson. Tomlinson seems to be a class act. The guy always seems respectful, and he never celebrates in the end zone. He says he bases his game around Barry Sanders because Barry Sanders never celebrated a touchdown.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Scuba, it's not even worth the discussion. Your facts and expert opinions on the situation are unmatched, as far as I see it.
Forgetting players' great achievments and championship wins because they happened in the early 20th century is ludicrous.
And I agree with what you said about Tomlinson. Tomlinson seems to be a class act. The guy always seems respectful, and he never celebrates in the end zone. He says he bases his game around Barry Sanders because Barry Sanders never celebrated a touchdown.
Yep, Sanders is a great athlete with plenty respect for the game. Tomlinson as well. I am glad I have had the pleasure to watch both play.
As I see it...great athletes span the test of time. But if one must create scenarios in thier mind to cheapen the accomplishments of others...that is left up to them.
Halas saw some great backs in his day. You can make a quick list of hall of famers.
Only the backs of today count...and no back from a previous era would have a chance today....really? Perhaps we should dismantle the Hall of Fame...as those accomplishments evidentally...no longer count by some standards of others and those who have a bust in the hall of fame...were nothing more than a beneficiary of circumstance

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Scuba, it's not even worth the discussion. Your facts and expert opinions on the situation are unmatched, as far as I see it.
Forgetting players' great achievments and championship wins because they happened in the early 20th century is ludicrous.
And I agree with what you said about Tomlinson. Tomlinson seems to be a class act. The guy always seems respectful, and he never celebrates in the end zone. He says he bases his game around Barry Sanders because Barry Sanders never celebrated a touchdown.
I guess players were as fast then right? Nope, MUCH slower. I guess they were as big, also right? Nope WAY smaller. The vast majority of players from that era played football as a side job and didnt even think about it for 90%of the year. They worked all week at regular jobs and played on Sundays. They had no game planning, practice, preparation. HAve you ever met an NFL player today in person???? They are as big as a house, muscular and FAST. Even 330 pound linemen would run you down. Ive met Blanda, Jim Kiick, and even Bob Lilly. Those guys physically are not in the same universe as players today much less someone from the 20's(even Lilly, one of the greatest dlinemen ever but no chance he could play today). NO COMPARISON!
Your reasoning makes no sense at all. Jesse Owens was an amazing athlete. One of the best of all time. Could he compete in the olympics today??? Not even close, time has passed his athleticism by just like Grange. Owens couldnt win a high school sprint with his career best numbers today. He was great for his time but that doesnt mean hed be great today
Lion, before saying my stance is "ludicrous" take a look at what you are saying and think. To say a slow, 6'0 180 pound player from 1920's could DOMINATE today and is as good an athlete as Tomlinson and the greats today is LUDICROUS. As far as you see it???? Why exactly does your opinion hold any more weight?

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Yep, Sanders is a great athlete with plenty respect for the game. Tomlinson as well. I am glad I have had the pleasure to watch both play.
As I see it...great athletes span the test of time. But if one must create scenarios in thier mind to cheapen the accomplishments of others...that is left up to them.
Halas saw some great backs in his day. You can make a quick list of hall of famers.
Only the backs of today count...and no back from a previous era would have a chance today....really? Perhaps we should dismantle the Hall of Fame...as those accomplishments evidentally...no longer count by some standards of others and those who have a bust in the hall of fame...were nothing more than a beneficiary of circumstance
Again, your twisting the argument. I'm not saying their accomplishments dont count. To be the best in a sport in any era is INCREDIBLE. HOWEVER, that does not mean you could be great in any era. To say that makes no sense. I guess every player in the Hall of Fame would dominate today??? Do you really think Otto Graham would be better than Brees right now in the NFL? Ive seen plenty of film of Graham and his arm strengh is laughable compared to today. He was great then but he'd get picked off an every pass now

 

[lion_crazz]

Emmitt, never once did I say that my opinion was better than anyone else's. I am just having a discussion here. I never put my opinion any higher than anyone else's. In my last post I was agreeing with Scuba because his argument seemed more valid and correct. "As far as I see it" is just another way I say "in my opinion". I don't like to use "in my opinion" because everyone uses it with the "IMO".
I said the act of cheapening the past was ludicrous; not your stance. And never once did I say a player from the 1920's could dominate today. I don't really know how they would do. However, I do think that we should still respect their accomplishments and not totally discount them.
And please stop with your "lock" comments. I have always let the threads go on until someone breaks the forum rules and begins personally attacking the other person.
As far as the "this is a Cowboy thread" is concerned, actually, I was talking about the Cowboys in my second to last post. I already said that I really liked Ware, Henry, Newman, James, Roy, Witten, Jones, and Barber. They are some great players. Plus, Oceanists started this thread, and he does not seem to have any problem with someone changing the subject, as we were already talking about Saw III an Lady in the Water.
Please, let's just leave it at that. We do not need any personal attacks. Discussing football is one thing, personally attacking someone is another.

 

[scubadoo]

I have no problems being wrong.....I am not a legend in my own mind.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Emmitt, never once did I say that my opinion was better than anyone else's. I am just having a discussion here. I never put my opinion any higher than anyone else's. In my last post I was agreeing with Scuba because his argument seemed more valid and correct. "As far as I see it" is just another way I say "in my opinion". I don't like to use "in my opinion" because everyone uses it with the "IMO".
I said the act of cheapening the past was ludicrous; not your stance. And never once did I say a player from the 1920's could dominate today. I don't really know how they would do. However, I do think that we should still respect their accomplishments and not totally discount them.
And please stop with your "lock" comments. I have always let the threads go on until someone breaks the forum rules and begins personally attacking the other person.
Hmmm, I'm confused

You say you are agreeing with Scuba's stance but also you say that you dont know how a player from the 20's would do today. Scuba's stance that you agree with is that Grange is an all time great and would dominate right now. His "unmatched expert opinions" that you so agree with are that Grange would DOMINATE not only in this era but apparently at the age of 75 even

The FACT is that athletes from the distant past CANNOT compete today in most sports. Like i said, Jesse Owens was one of the greatest athletes of all time. He won the 1936 100m gold in get this..... 10.3 SECONDS. That was great at the time but sprinters today would bust a gut laughing at someone running a 10.3 It doesnt take away how great he was at the time but to say he woulkd be great today is pretty silly.
By saying his argument is unmatched and what im saying is ludicrous certainly sounds like you are putting your opinion higher than anyone elses.
And actually, by your own admission, you deleted threads because you thought 2 football threads were too many at one time. How bout instead of locking them , you warn the people doing it so we can keep our threads for future talk?? Have you even warned 1 person before locking all these threads about football.
p.s.- i havent personally attacked anyone so why bring that up exactly?? Im fine arguing civilly and enjoy it with regards to football. Scuba seems to have the sense that we should agree on every single thing and if we dont , Scuba asks for you to lock the thread.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Again, your twisting the argument. I'm not saying their accomplishments dont count. To be the best in a sport in any era is INCREDIBLE. HOWEVER, that does not mean you could be great in any era. To say that makes no sense. I guess every player in the Hall of Fame would dominate today??? Do you really think Otto Graham would be better than Brees right now in the NFL? Ive seen plenty of film of Graham and his arm strengh is laughable compared to today. He was great then but he'd get picked off an every pass now
Otto Graham was a great player. If he played today I doubt every pass would be intercepted. it is statements like this that discredit your position. naturally, anyone competing today would do so under todays workout routine year round...plus during the season.
yes, many of these players most likely could play today...be successfull..and some would even dominate. Some could not play today. Red Grange is one that most likely could...and probably would dominate based on what I have read
If you did not want the thread to go to the past..all you had to do was ignore my comment/opinion of the past...and it would have simply ended.
If you are so driven to repsond to what you beleive to be off the subject comments...you can expect other including myself to continue the subject.
If you are not happy with the subject...simply move on to some other topic and/or the topic you beleive is of utmost importance in your mind. Or, simply move the thread back to Romo.

 

[emmitt2]

Your right so heres back to Romo, the guy YOU say doesnt look like a competent NFL starter.
Guess what one of the best barometers of a QB's and a teams success is. 3rd down conversion, you dont convert, you dont move the ball. Convert and you move the ball towards possible scores.
Hmmm. guess who has the best 3rd down conversion rate in the NFL? Thats right ... THE ROMONATOR!!! over 57% for a 4 game stretch. Why dont you guys check your teams and see how often you convert better than 50% on 3rd downs in a game. Also, see how often you win when you do. Now tell me when you had a 4 game stretch converting over 57% of your third downs!
That is BIGTIME play and way better than Eli is doing or has ever done yet in the NFL!!!!
And you are right, every Otto Graham pass would not be intercepted because he would never make it on the field today

 

[lion_crazz]

I actually did give a warning on the "Drew Bloodsoe" thread saying, "I see no reason why this thread would be shutdown. As long as everyone is civil, the thread is fine." People began to be rude and attack others, and I closed it.
I am sorry if you felt that I was putting my opinion above anyone else's. I did not intend to do so.
I did not see anywhere that Scuba said Grange would dominate today. He said that he was an all-time great, and I agree with that.

 

[emmitt2]

Ummm...... His "expert opinions" that you stated were so unmatched was a ridiculous quote from Halas saying that Grange would still rush for 750 yards as a 75 year old man in the modern game he was so great. If that isnt saying he would dominate today, what is??? Unless you meant the other "expert opinion" Scuba provided from Damon Runyon talking about a game Grange played in COLLEGE.
Also, personal attacks are 1 thing, Lion but you edited out of one of my postsand i quote"Are you joking" I just noticed. That is what i said and you EDITED THAT OUT

What exactly is inflammatory or attacking about that?????? We cant say "Are you joking"??!!? I think that taking things a tad far to help out Scuba

 

[lion_crazz]

NFL.com is pretty expert, since it is the NFL we are discussing.
And I am pretty sure Halas was kidding with his 75 year old comment. At least that was the way I took that joke.

 

[scubadoo]

Yes, Romo may have some stats over a four game stretch..and he may even lead the league in some categories. He has yet to prove he can do it over the long haul.
Why do you bring Eili manning back into the mix? Do you want folks to comment on Eli..and then that will take the subject to him instead of Romo.
While we talked about arm strength of past QB's in previous decades...nfl film has footage of Sonny Jurgenson throwing a football behind his back in practice and hitting receivers 40 yards down field. He had a cannon for an arm in his day...and probably could do things with a footabll,..that no QB and/or few could do this day. To watch him throw a football on a rope 40 yards downfiled...behind his back is amazing.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Your right so heres back to Romo, the guy YOU say doesnt look like a competent NFL starter.
Guess what one of the best barometers of a QB's and a teams success is. 3rd down conversion, you dont convert, you dont move the ball. Convert and you move the ball towards possible scores.
Hmmm. guess who has the best 3rd down conversion rate in the NFL? Thats right ... THE ROMONATOR!!! over 57% for a 4 game stretch. Why dont you guys check your teams and see how often you convert better than 50% on 3rd downs in a game. Also, see how often you win when you do. Now tell me when you had a 4 game stretch converting over 57% of your third downs!
That is BIGTIME play and way better than Eli is doing or has ever done yet in the NFL!!!!
And you are right, every Otto Graham pass would not be intercepted because he would never make it on the field today
the Romonator is still new... give some Defensive coordinators some game film... they will figure him out... he is NO MANNING!!! i dont really understand why youre crowning tho Romonator league MVP and Superbowl Champ whne all he has done is prove that he was a better choice over a less mobile aging QB...
so is it Romo or the team that is doing this... one post you say you have the best ground game, or best receivers and then you crown Romo the best QB in the league... all the while putting down any other player that hasnt worn a cowboys uniform... i get it emmitt2 TO YOU if it aint cowboy it aint great... thats fair enough, but your opininion is just that... an opinion...

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
NFL.com is pretty expert, since it is the NFL we are discussing.
And I am pretty sure Halas was kidding with his 75 year old comment. At least that was the way I took that joke.
Thats pretty laughable since the quote from NFL.com about Grange is basically the exact same quote it gives for EVERY single hall of famer

It will say the same about Irvin next year or the year after when he is inducted but we know what you think about him. I guess then when they disagree with you, they wont be so expert.

 

[lion_crazz]

Anything that is deragotory, sarcastic, rude, or that may incite more bitter arguing is removed. This is a discussion board, and not an argument board. One can certainly have a discussion without putting 5 question marks at the end of every sentence, a few smilies in every post to be sarcastic, and beginning many posts with things that insinuate that others do not know anything. Like I said, having a discussion is one thing, arguing and attacking is another.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by ruaround
the romonator is still new... give some Defensive coordinators some game film... they will figure him out... he is NO MANNING!!! i dont really understand why youre crowning tho romonator league MVP and Superbowl Champ whne all he has done is prove that he was a better chioce over a less mobile aging QB...
Never said he was league MVP or superbowl champ. I said he was playing AMAZING RIGHT NOW and he is and that is a FACT. He isnt Manning, hes way better than Eli has ever been so far in the NFL. Eli wishes he was Romo right now instead of wondering if he will EVER be a decent starter! Just let me know when coordinators figure him out. Didnt take them to long to figure out Eli or Gradkowski, did it?

The fact that coordinators will have to figure out a way to stop him only reinforces that he is PLAYING AMAZING RIGHT NOW!!!

 

[lion_crazz]

I never said Irvin was not a good football player. Irvin made many fantastic plays. The only things I have said about Irvin is that he is a terrible commentator, and certainly was not #2 all time, like he insists he was.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Anything that is deragotory, sarcastic, rude, or that may incite more bitter arguing is removed. This is a discussion board, and not an argument board. One can certainly have a discussion without putting 5 question marks at the end of every sentence, a few smilies in every post to be sarcastic, and beginning many posts with things that insinuate that others do not know anything. Like I said, having a discussion is one thing, arguing and attacking is another.

Like calling Romo

[hr]
???
Exactly where in the user agreement does it say we cant have a civil argument with ZERO personal attacks? Just because you want everyone to agree on everything doesnt mean we have to or that you should delete/lock that thread. How is "are you joking?" derogatory, sarcastic , rude or inciting a more bitter argument?

 

[ruaround]

i wouldnt say that they have figured out Gradkowski... he is a ROOKIE... and what is so hard to figure out about... hand off to williams, throw for 3 yds, handoff to pittman~or~alstott, punt... not hard to figure out man... the Bucs offensive play callin has catered to Grads limited time... call it what you may, but these are growing pains, and to me it is still a blast to go watch the Bucs play...