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reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/40#post_3498916
The two statements are nowhere near the same. But honestly, yeah. Only religious people believe in that "myth". Prove to me God has ever had "a hand" in someone's death. Has anyone ever seen God save a life? Why is it a "miracle" when someone lives through a catastrophic event or disease, but it's "God's will" if they die? So there's some Supreme Being overlooking all living forms, and he points his big finger and goes "Eeenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe. God says it's now time for YOU to go."?
The two statements are exactly the same.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393310/trump/40#post_3498922
The two statements are exactly the same.
Maybe in your mind. Someone referencing God when a person dies is a bit different that condemning a woman for having an abortion because God presumably disagrees with that edict is not the same to me.
Regardless, why would I want either in a political position if they would in any way be influenced on making a decision that could affect EVERYONE, whether they are a religious person or not, based on their religious convictions or beliefs?
 
darthtang aw

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Maybe in your mind.  Someone referencing God when a person dies is a bit different that condemning a woman for having an abortion because God presumably disagrees with that edict is not the same to me.
Regardless, why would I want either in a political position if they would in any way be influenced on making a decision that could affect EVERYONE, whether they are a religious person or not, based on their religious convictions or beliefs?
so you expect the Republican Party to speak out against these two but don't expect president to speak out against his pastors words concerning the innocent lives taken by terrorists?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3498937
Maybe in your mind. Someone referencing God when a person dies is a bit different that condemning a woman for having an abortion because God presumably disagrees with that edict is not the same to me.
Regardless, why would I want either in a political position if they would in any way be influenced on making a decision that could affect EVERYONE, whether they are a religious person or not, based on their religious convictions or beliefs?
Maybe in any rational person's mind who is intellectually honest. If it's god's will when someone dies it stands to REASON it would also be his will as to when someone becomes pregnant.
 
jerthunter

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Maybe in any rational person's mind who is intellectually honest. If it's god's will when someone dies it stands to REASON it would also be his will as to when someone becomes pregnant.
Would it also be god's will that Obama is president? And that Obama and Romney haven't released their college records?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3498966
so you expect the Republican Party to speak out against these two but don't expect president to speak out against his pastors words concerning the innocent lives taken by terrorists?
Brother. Still with the Rev. Wright. If we're going with that theory, let's have Romney drop out of the race today, with all the secrets and weird crap that come out of Salt lake City. Rev. Wright is a pastor for a church. He's not running for a political office. He's not making legal decisions for millions of Americans. I can just imagine the kind of preacher/pastor/whatever Akin and Mourdock have....
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3498968
Maybe in any rational person's mind who is intellectually honest. If it's god's will when someone dies it stands to REASON it would also be his will as to when someone becomes pregnant.
You first have to prove there's a God in the first place to make that decision....
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3498975
Brother. Still with the Rev. Wright. If we're going with that theory, let's have Romney drop out of the race today, with all the secrets and weird crap that come out of Salt lake City. Rev. Wright is a pastor for a church. He's not running for a political office. He's not making legal decisions for millions of Americans. I can just imagine the kind of preacher/pastor/whatever Akin and Mourdock have....
But 0bama follows his teachings just like Romulous Maximus follows the teachings of his church, what's the difference.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3498976
You first have to prove there's a God in the first place to make that decision....
No, I don't. It's a believe. And there is far more evidence to show there is a god than there is to show 0bama is a competent president. Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck
 
darthtang aw

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But 0bama follows his teachings just like Romulous Maximus follows the teachings of his church, what's the difference.
He is not a Republican and therefore worthy of voting for still.
 
darthtang aw

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Yeah. Funny how religion didn't matter in 2008 when the videos of 0bama's spiritual mentor broke.
Especially since McCain never cited religion for his decision basis...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3499000
But 0bama follows his teachings just like Romulous Maximus follows the teachings of his church, what's the difference.
Actually he doesn't. Obama has always stated it isn't his place to tell Rev. Wright what he can or can't say on his pulpit. Show me instances where Obama has specifically followed everything Wright has claimed in his sermons...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3499031
Actually he doesn't. Obama has always stated it isn't his place to tell Rev. Wright what he can or can't say on his pulpit. Show me instances where Obama has specifically followed everything Wright has claimed in his sermons...
You don't sit and listen to him for 20 years if you aren't buying what he's selling.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3499121
Then what does that say about Romney and the teachings of the Mormons? Does he actually believe God lives near the planet Kolob?
He might. So what? We aren't electing a preacher. Nothing the Mormons teach is as extreme as the crap 0bama sat and listened to for 20 years.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3499140
He might. So what? We aren't electing a preacher. Nothing the Mormons teach is as extreme as the crap 0bama sat and listened to for 20 years.
Not that we're aware of. yet....
When's the last time Obama even sat in on one of Wright's sermons? I thought the guy was based out of Chicago. Is Obama taking AF1 on a trip home every Sunday jus so he can listen to one of his inspirational sermons? Republican's keep beating this horse to death, yet they never talk about some of these fire-and-brimstone preacher's in the South that I'm sure many Congressional and other elected officials listen to every Sunday. They're the one's actually creating and passing the bills. All Obama does is either veto them or sign them into law.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393310/trump/60#post_3499152
Not that we're aware of. yet....
When's the last time Obama even sat in on one of Wright's sermons? I thought the guy was based out of Chicago. Is Obama taking AF1 on a trip home every Sunday jus so he can listen to one of his inspirational sermons? Republican's keep beating this horse to death, yet they never talk about some of these fire-and-brimstone preacher's in the South that I'm sure many Congressional and other elected officials listen to every Sunday. They're the one's actually creating and passing the bills. All Obama does is either veto them or sign them into law.
He only left the church after Wright started making some of those statements in public events
 
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