Undecided voters?

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2783160
has this philosophy worked?
... if your employer is a small business owner... they will not have to pay higher taxes if they make less than $250K... and with that said... takes won't be any higher than they were in Reagan years.. which republicans say were good years...
Throwing out the "taxes wouldn't be any higher than during the Reagan years" isn't a legitimate argument. When the tax rates were lowered during the Reagan years a lot of write-offs were removed as well.
Another thing to consider is Social Security which the next president has to deal with. Any possible solution to the solvency issue is going to include removing the cap on FICA taxes. That is an additional 15% tax on income above 94 grand. That isn't a 15% increase, it's 15% more taxes which is around a 25% increase for the employee assuming a 30% tax rate and a 100% increase for the employer. Do you really think it is smart to hit them with an even higher income tax rate as well?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2783173
you are probably right for the most part...
which is why they need to be closed... as one campaign has said.
A president cant do it. Congress will have to and there is no way they are going to throw away their good thing.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2783187
Undecided today is easy...I am a white male, mid 30s, married, children, middle class. No one party holds all of my beliefs.
Pro choice - dems
Pro gay rights - dems
Pro guns - reps
Pro drilling - reps
Less taxes and smaller government - reps
No universal health care - reps
Those are just a few of the issues where I am split between the two parties. So I am left to choose between the lesser of two evils.
As a side note, it was mentioned above if pro choice was reversed how would someone like to raise a child that resulted in a ----? That wouldn't happen...to my knowledge if abortion was outlawed there would still be provisions to allow for an abortion if the pregnancy occured during a r-ape, in-cest, or it endangered the life of the mother.

What state do you live in? In this era's Presidential elections, your vote is dependent on which state you live in. I live in Texas. I need Mr. Historian journeyman to come up with this data, but I can't recall the last Democrat Presidential candidate that won the state of Texas. I could cast 100 votes for Obama, but Texas still bleeds Republican Red. So thanks to the Electoral College, my vote boils down to the 'however many' Electoral Votes Texas will give to McCain. The only true votes that will count in this election are the ones in the Swing States -- those states that can go either way. The last election it was Florida. Out of the millions of votes that were entered around this country, the last election was decided in Dade County, Florida. So if you really want to get your candidate elected, you better figure out a way to get registered to vote in one of the Swing States. Otherwise, just pull the lever with all the other lemmings that live in your state, whether they're Republican or Democrat, or even better, just vote 'None Of The Above'.
Footnote - Just checked, and the last Democrat that won Texas was 1976. But since this election was right after Tricky ----, the Dems could have put up Kermit The Frog and won in '76.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2783213
What state do you live in? In this era's Presidential elections, your vote is dependent on which state you live in. I live in Texas. I need Mr. Historian journeyman to come up with this data, but I can't recall the last Democrat Presidential candidate that won the state of Texas. I could cast 100 votes for Obama, but Texas still bleeds Republican Red. So thanks to the Electoral College, my vote boils down to the 'however many' Electoral Votes Texas will give to McCain. The only true votes that will count in this election are the ones in the Swing States -- those states that can go either way. The last election it was Florida. Out of the millions of votes that were entered around this country, the last election was decided in Dade County, Florida. So if you really want to get your candidate elected, you better figure out a way to get registered to vote in one of the Swing States. Otherwise, just pull the lever with all the other lemmings that live in your state, whether they're Republican or Democrat, or even better, just vote 'None Of The Above'.
Footnote - Just checked, and the last Democrat that won Texas was 1976. But since this election was right after Tricky ----, the Dems could have put up Kermit The Frog and won in '76.
I was going to guess LBJ.
Heck call up Acorn they have all kinds of ways to get you registered.
 
matt b

matt b

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Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2782927
I will play the A hole... I actually like her and wish it was her running for president. I saw her in a debate, the only one i actually watched o maybe 10 mins of, and everythign she said she seemed to dumb down a bit to reach out to a different type of crowd. made sooooo much more sense and i think she is the best one out of all of them haha
Are you sure it was dumbed down for the voters or did mccain try and teach her things and had to dumb it down for her. Just a thought.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2783187
Undecided today is easy...I am a white male, mid 30s, married, children, middle class. No one party holds all of my beliefs.
Pro choice - dems
Pro gay rights - dems
Pro guns - reps
Pro drilling - reps
Less taxes and smaller government - reps
No universal health care - reps
Those are just a few of the issues where I am split between the two parties. So I am left to choose between the lesser of two evils.
As a side note, it was mentioned above if pro choice was reversed how would someone like to raise a child that resulted in a ----? That wouldn't happen...to my knowledge if abortion was outlawed there would still be provisions to allow for an abortion if the pregnancy occured during a r-ape, in-cest, or it endangered the life of the mother.
Obama's healthcare plan offers the best alternative to dems universal and reps free market.
It keeps everything as it is in place, but for those that are unable to get insurance through employer or who don't qualify for medicaid... can buy this as an option... it also doesn't exclude you for pre-existing conditions... So again... it will keep all current plans the same as well as increase competition.
 
squidward

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Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2782517
was that a put down of bush? lol I don't know why ppl don't like him... you put any person in his situation they ALL would have led us to war. ya maybe a little differently but we still had no choice in action. honestly.. if I could I would vote for bush to just stay in office. I personally think he has been a great voice and face for America lol
^ a perfect example of how dumb americans can be
 
silverdak

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2783312
^ a perfect example of how dumb americans can be
hmm you must be a politician then
that or you dont live in American and are jealous...
o ya and i will add that your a troll... seems to me all 18 of your posts are in not fish related topics.. thats interesting
 
miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2783316
hmm you must be a politician then
that or you dont live in American and are jealous...
o ya and i will add that your a troll... seems to me all 18 of your posts are in not fish related topics.. thats interesting
He refers to clownfish as "Nemos" Roots AGAINST team USA in Basketball, Constantly uses the phrase "You americans or Americans are dumb" Adamantly refuses to divulge ANY basic personal information like "Where are you from?" or "How old are you?" Sounds like a brainwashed 14yr old french kid.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2783298
Obama's healthcare plan offers the best alternative to dems universal and reps free market.
...
Obama's plan is Universal Health Care.. How many times do I have to actaully quote Obama's own webpage?
"The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans..."
All=Universal...
 
silverdak

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2783347
He refers to clownfish as "Nemos" Roots AGAINST team USA in Basketball, Constantly uses the phrase "You americans or Americans are dumb" Adamantly refuses to divulge ANY basic personal information like "Where are you from?" or "How old are you?" Sounds like a brainwashed 14yr old french kid.

haha yup pretty much sums it all up to me.. someone left there computer on and some 13 or 14 year old kid got on it
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2783312
^ a perfect example of how dumb americans can be
Look who is talking.

Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2783316
hmm you must be a politician then
that or you dont live in American and are jealous...
o ya and i will add that your a troll... seems to me all 18 of your posts are in not fish related topics.. thats interesting
Pretty much
 
squidward

squidward

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Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2783316
hmm you must be a politician then
that or you dont live in American and are jealous...
o ya and i will add that your a troll... seems to me all 18 of your posts are in not fish related topics.. thats interesting
lol post counts don't count here in Aquarium forum if you didn't know. I'm just pointing out that ignorant people like yourself are the reason why bush is even in office. And miaheatlvr was so racially mad at me that he caused a thread to be closed. He's mad cause I won't disclose personal info on the net while he's brainwashed with his online neocon buddies talking like they own this forum.
 
miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2783385
lol post counts don't count here in Aquarium forum if you didn't know. I'm just pointing out that ignorant people like yourself are the reason why bush is even in office. And miaheatlvr was so racially mad at me that he caused a thread to be closed. He's mad cause I won't disclose personal info on the net while he's brainwashed with his online neocon buddies talking like they own this forum.

Huh, Nemos said what?
You cause you OWN threads to be closed, a few times in a matter of fact by posting idiotic links and then questioning why they get closed not once but 2 times. So you do quite a good job getting your own links locked. But enough arguing with a 13yr old french kid. What am I thinking? lol
 
silverdak

silverdak

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2783385
lol post counts don't count here in Aquarium forum if you didn't know. I'm just pointing out that ignorant people like yourself are the reason why bush is even in office. And miaheatlvr was so racially mad at me that he caused a thread to be closed. He's mad cause I won't disclose personal info on the net while he's brainwashed with his online neocon buddies talking like they own this forum.

so then your a troll... all you have to say is bad stuff about America... if your in America I suggest you move out of it cuz you are 100% useless to us. and eventually you will have to get over the fact the bush was elected. then you can get over the fact that here in America we have a right to say what we want, you in your little crap country dont have to like it.
 
silverdak

silverdak

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2783397
Huh, Nemos said what?
You cause you OWN threads to be closed, a few times in a matter of fact by posting idiotic links and then questioning why they get closed not once but 2 times. So you quite a good job getting your own links locked. But enough arguing with a 13yr old french kid. What am I thinking? lol
lol its a waste of time. only posts useless info. maybe he or she or whatever it is could explain more than just "stupid American" this and that and not explain why
what a loser, waste of time
 
squidward

squidward

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Originally Posted by SilverDak
http:///forum/post/2783418
so then your a troll... all you have to say is bad stuff about America... if your in America I suggest you move out of it cuz you are 100% useless to us. and eventually you will have to get over the fact the bush was elected. then you can get over the fact that here in America we have a right to say what we want, you in your little crap country dont have to like it.
You're right I have the right to say what I want and I'm just pointing the obvious out about you. It's baffling that you would gladly re-elect bush if given a third term.
 
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