Undulated Triggers

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by krazykarel
http:///forum/post/2669374
My request in the original post was to show me those Undys pics. It appears not to many in this community keep Undys, which surprises me because just about every LFS around me has one or more for sale.
Not to be harsh, but did you actually read the acticle that you posted about Triggers that got locked? DId you see the part where the author's dream tank was a 120 gallon with a single Undulate Trigger? Most of the people that hang out here do so to learn, if you are here to learn it shouldn't take long to learn that an Undulate is not a community fish. That's why so few people that frequent this site have them, they don't want a single fish in a large tank. LFS have them because they are cheap, beautiful, hardy and plentiful. It would be nice if LFS sold fish responsibly all the time, but its really not their job to do so, they are just trying to make money....Buyer beware.

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2675172
Please don't incourage him, what you may not understand and he definately doesn't understand is it really doesn't matter what his tank looks like now, these fish will get more and more aggressive as they age. His only saving grace is, like CCampbell said, he doesn't give them proper nutrition as such he is stunting their growth, but you can't stunt their aggression. The only reason I would be curious to see a video is I think he is lieing about his stock list.
why lie just 2 be kool?na i try to do a vid of the fish but hes a pic of my 2 undys( there best friends) sorry its not so clear but you can see 2 of them

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by slackjawed
http:///forum/post/2675236
why lie just 2 be kool?na i try to do a vid of the fish but hes a pic of my 2 undys( there best friends) sorry its not so clear but you can see 2 of them

I just rarely see more than 1 or 2 fish in any picture, and several times you have said you have 5 eels, yet you only list 4

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2675240
I just rarely see more than 1 or 2 fish in any picture, and several times you have said you have 5 eels, yet you only list 4

had 5 snake eel got sucked by the protin skimmeralong w/ the pork puff .in this pic u can see 12 fish look and youll see guy(should i put them all in a 5 gallon bucket so i can show ya?

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2675240
I just rarely see more than 1 or 2 fish in any picture, and several times you have said you have 5 eels, yet you only list 4

heres a invite anyone who lives by the wis il border can come see my tank just pm me i have nothin 2 hide just 1 rockin ass tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they can have my panther grouper hes sucks lol eats way 2 many minnows

 

[el guapo]

For the love of god how long is this debate going to go on ?
I seriously am going to order a queen trigger for my 75 so carnage can insue.
EEL fan post pictures of his undy , I post pictures of the one I had . Yet some how slackjaw manages to get the thread derailed into the same old crap about overstocking of multiple aggressive triggers . He feeds off of the attention and yet he baits us all into this time and time again . PLEASE STOP ENCOURAGING THIS ! We are not going to ever and I mean never ever in a million years help him to see the truth of the matter because simply he will never admit that he is having problems . Thouse of us with experience know he is going to have problems and we know how foolish his ideas are . The sooner this troll stops getting attention the sooner he will wander away .
I for one have no desire to see pictures or video of his tank of death . I find no pleasure in watching a timebomb ticking away the seconds . I find fish to be too beautiful and graceful to find any happieness in the mistreatment of them .

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by krazykarel
http:///forum/post/2674908
That's actually pretty funny!
Slack: Have you taken any video of your tank? I don't think it would take any heat off of your practices, but it could, to a small degree, at least prove your tank isn't exploding as of now. I would watch the video.
ok here it is hopefully it short and off my phone but enjoy(if it works)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyi86LmTMXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_x8DuEcH3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imqGHSiqmSQ

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2675327

For the love of god how long is this debate going to go on ?
I seriously am going to order a queen trigger for my 75 so carnage can insue.
EEL fan post pictures of his undy , I post pictures of the one I had . Yet some how slackjaw manages to get the thread derailed into the same old crap about overstocking of multiple aggressive triggers . He feeds off of the attention and yet he baits us all into this time and time again . PLEASE STOP ENCOURAGING THIS ! We are not going to ever and I mean never ever in a million years help him to see the truth of the matter because simply he will never admit that he is having problems . Thouse of us with experience know he is going to have problems and we know how foolish his ideas are . The sooner this troll stops getting attention the sooner he will wander away .
I for one have no desire to see pictures or video of his tank of death . I find no pleasure in watching a timebomb ticking away the seconds . I find fish to be too beautiful and graceful to find any happieness in the mistreatment of them .
see they all look ok why u gotta hate crash?just provin truthful

 

[krazykarel]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2675182
Not to be harsh, but did you actually read the acticle that you posted about Triggers that got locked? DId you see the part where the author's dream tank was a 120 gallon with a single Undulate Trigger? Most of the people that hang out here do so to learn, if you are here to learn it shouldn't take long to learn that an Undulate is not a community fish. That's why so few people that frequent this site have them, they don't want a single fish in a large tank. LFS have them because they are cheap, beautiful, hardy and plentiful. It would be nice if LFS sold fish responsibly all the time, but its really not their job to do so, they are just trying to make money....Buyer beware.
What about my desire to talk about Undys in a discussion forum makes you think that I didn't read the article I posted? In this sense, you are being harsh and at the least you should afford a member that has been here a little longer than you have the benefit of the doubt.
Regardless, I think that you are prob. right, in as much as many people here don't have UTs because they want more than one fish. I am now interested in UTs and as a responsible hobbiest, I am doing my research before I put one in a tank

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by krazykarel
http:///forum/post/2675487
What about my desire to talk about Undys in a discussion forum makes you think that I didn't read the article I posted? In this sense, you are being harsh and at the least you should afford a member that has been here a little longer than you have the benefit of the doubt.
Regardless, I think that you are prob. right, in as much as many people here don't have UTs because they want more than one fish. I am now interested in UTs and as a responsible hobbiest, I am doing my research before I put one in a tank

i did all my research done it before years ago (multi triggers in one tank) see my tank is fine thanks 4 lookin

 

[rivieraduec]

Very ,very nice looking tank.I had a tank that looked like that a few years back,but it crashed on me.I had absolutly no knowledge at this hobby and my lfs was giving me bad advice,they actually sold me a clown trigger and a blue spotted ray at the same time(well a lot of you if not all know how that ended).But anyways you say that you have been doing this for a few years so i hope your tank stays healthy.Im trying to put a 3"goldenheart trigger,6"guinea fowl puffer,2" blueline trigger and a 4"crosshatch in a 150.I got a 250 tank and stand just waiting for my funds to get a little better to get pumps,filter,etc.Slack what kind of filtration you got cause i dont see any overfows looks like a skimmer or something on the right but not sure.I know that you got to have superior filtration if you tring to put 20 fish in one tank.especially aggresive fish,thats unbelievable,i would love to see your tank in about 5,6 months.

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by rivieraduec
http:///forum/post/2675555
Very ,very nice looking tank.I had a tank that looked like that a few years back,but it crashed on me.I had absolutly no knowledge at this hobby and my lfs was giving me bad advice,they actually sold me a clown trigger and a blue spotted ray at the same time(well a lot of you if not all know how that ended).But anyways you say that you have been doing this for a few years so i hope your tank stays healthy.Im trying to put a 3"goldenheart trigger,6"guinea fowl puffer,2" blueline trigger and a 4"crosshatch in a 150.I got a 250 tank and stand just waiting for my funds to get a little better to get pumps,filter,etc.Slack what kind of filtration you got cause i dont see any overfows looks like a skimmer or something on the right but not sure.I know that you got to have superior filtration if you tring to put 20 fish in one tank.especially aggresive fish,thats unbelievable,i would love to see your tank in about 5,6 months.
thanks just gotta sump tank is drilled yea thats my skimmer (has clamed 2 fish) all test come back great ill be here if they dont boot me because im a 1 %er probley have a 500 by then looked a a 400 the other day so temptin but probey gonna wait ill keep all of you posted

 

[srfisher17]

Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2674456
IME, relative size doesn't always counter basic aggressiveness. I've seen very small triggers dominate & destroy fish many times their size. These are beautiful, interesting fish; and very personable. They really seem to "enjoy" (a word I hesitate to use when describing fish) a lot of attention. But I think their basic temperament & size makes long-term success with other fish a real problem. I had a couple, years ago, and never did find anything I could keep with them long term. Maybe a titan trigger in a 500 gal. BTW; I remember reading that undulated triggers were among the very first fish kept in the hobby; probably because they are so hardy and eat everything in sight. IMO, there just isn't much you can do, short of a fish-lobotomy, to change the pure aggression of this fish. Genetic make-up is usually set in stone.
Just some more thoughts on this, when I tried keeping an undulated, my choice of tankmates wasn't the best. At the time, I just didn't realize just how nasty these guys could get. But, knowing that its a big gamble; an undulated might do well with another big, aggressive fish or two. Maybe a sohal or purple tang, harlequin tusk (not aggressive, but active & robust); or one of the big, aggressive wrasse. I'd guess a 180 would be about minimum tank size and the undulated should be the last fish (and considerably smaller than its tankmates.) This isn't really a recommendation, but if you have a back-up plan if things go wrong; (IMO) it could work. Sometimes aggressive fish that don't really share the same tank space and feed differently can co-exist. I kept a clown trigger with a purple tang and a harlequin tusk for many years; they all had their own space and really didn't compete. The UT is a step up in aggression from the CT; however.

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2675575
Just some more thoughts on this, when I tried keeping an undulated, my choice of tankmates wasn't the best. At the time, I just didn't realize just how nasty these guys could get. But, knowing that its a big gamble; an undulated might do well with another big, aggressive fish or two. Maybe a sohal or purple tang, harlequin tusk (not aggressive, but active & robust); or one of the big, aggressive wrasse. I'd guess a 180 would be about minimum tank size and the undulated should be the last fish (and considerably smaller than its tankmates.) This isn't really a recommendation, but if you have a back-up plan if things go wrong; (IMO) it could work. Sometimes aggressive fish that don't really share the same tank space and feed differently can co-exist. I kept a clown trigger with a purple tang and a harlequin tusk for many years; they all had their own space and really didn't compete. The UT is a step up in aggression from the CT; however.
na ,i no my triggs would kill a tusk. its a sissy fish(like it but not in my 180).will put 1 in my new tank,that i will stock it the same just a litttle differnt. will still base it on a big undy, by the way it was the 1st fish i put in the tank but fyi i put the v tail in a few days ago and they all thought he was a minnow,(was kind of funny he was pailey white at the time )had 2 use stick 2 scare all the fish. he turned red and is a o.k now. he ate a live feeder today.

 

[ccampbell57]

Man...I guess you will just not see what your fish are telling you. There is a reason your AGGRESSIVE V-tail grouper turned white. I would be suprised if you are talking about your 20 fish in 12 months.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by krazykarel
http:///forum/post/2675487
What about my desire to talk about Undys in a discussion forum makes you think that I didn't read the article I posted? In this sense, you are being harsh and at the least you should afford a member that has been here a little longer than you have the benefit of the doubt.
Regardless, I think that you are prob. right, in as much as many people here don't have UTs because they want more than one fish. I am now interested in UTs and as a responsible hobbiest, I am doing my research before I put one in a tank

Sorry, your right, my post did come off as harsh. But in your statement you said you were surprised at how few people on here keep this fish. My point is you shouldn't be. I would absolutely love to keep this fish, I had a friend that had one (by itself and eventually with an eel), they are fascinating fish with loads of personality. I have seen what this fish can do, his killed 5 damsals in a day after getting along just fine with them for 6 months. A lot of people (I'm not saying you) come here just looking for 1 person to tell them its ok to do something 15 others said would be unwise.

 

[ccampbell57]

Again your stocklist has changed. Since you started posting. You posted that you had a Black hawaiian trigger. Where did he go???? Did he die? I count at least 3 deaths in your tank in the past couple of months.
Explain?
Plus your water is very cloudy. Your filtration is not even NEAR what is needed to get good water conditions. I would be that your Nitrates are in the 80-100 range. I also see in your pictures a pretty bad case of Cyno Bacteria.
On a good note, I hear that pieces of wood and fake alligator heads are awesome filtration for aggressive fish.
Originally Posted by slackjawed
http:///forum/post/2669333
180 i feed mostly live minnows, stays pretty clean, clouds up a little after feedin like 20 minnows all test come back well. but im a bad host lol just ask around.but i have had no fish die yet with all these agressive triggers im not suggestiong anyone repete what im doin just saiin it can be done. they will out grow sometime and ill have a 500 2 put them in a up dated stock list
2 undys triggs
2 nigers
2 huma humas
1 clown trig
1 ret trig
1 bursa trig
1 panther grouper
1 v tail grouper
1 lunar wrasp
1 dragon wrasp
1wolf eel
1 white eye moray eel
1 fimbriated eel
1 undy eel
1 dog face puff
1 stars in strips
looks like 19 lol gonna stop at 20 queen trigger will b last 1

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2675600
Again your stocklist has changed. Since you started posting. You posted that you had a Black hawaiian trigger. Where did he go???? Did he die? I count at least 3 deaths in your tank in the past couple of months.
Explain?
Plus your water is very cloudy. Your filtration is not even NEAR what is needed to get good water conditions. I would be that your Nitrates are in the 80-100 range. I also see in your pictures a pretty bad case of Cyno Bacteria.
On a good note, I hear that pieces of wood and fake alligator heads are awesome filtration for aggressive fish.
ok 4 starters i gave him 2 well now the x girl friend, the hawiian vtail grouper and a little niger for her ltttle 75 gal. i no cell phone vids are crystal clear!!!!!!! sorry ill get a real vid soon. the red you see is my tiny tank is from the sun light(sittin infront a huge window) who has wood in tank thats rock guy doesnt wood float?

water conditions?ook but ty for lookin

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by ccampbell57
http:///forum/post/2675594
Man...I guess you will just not see what your fish are telling you. There is a reason your AGGRESSIVE V-tail grouper turned white. I would be suprised if you are talking about your 20 fish in 12 months.
he turned white in the bag when i left the store guy .

 

[slackjawed]

Originally Posted by slackjawed
http:///forum/post/2675614
ok 4 starters i gave him 2 well now the x girl friend, the hawiian vtail grouper and a little niger for her ltttle 75 gal. i no cell phone vids are crystal clear!!!!!!! sorry ill get a real vid soon. the red you see is my tiny tank is from the sun light(sittin infront a huge window) who has wood in tank thats rock guy doesnt wood float?

water conditions?ook but ty for lookin
here is water tests