Unusual weather? I wan't your thoughts
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skipperdz
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whatever you do...be very careful who u donate to ( if u decide to do that ) for global warming. the organizations can spend the money anyway they want ie on themselves, and rarely goin to research or preventative measures. so if you plan on donating to the cause make sure ur not donating to somones yacht!
garnet13aj
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lol, better be a yatch run on ethanol! Just kidding, yeah, I'm still techinicall dependent on my parents ("poor" college student) so I won't be donating a huge amount for a few more years. I do agree though that it's always important to look into what money is being used for when you donate to any cause.
bonebrake
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Originally Posted by xDave
I'm in a place where global warming has a weird effect. I live by lake Erie (no smart *ss remarks dissing my home please) and we have whats called "lake effect snow". It only occurs when the lake is unfrozen. The lake used to freeze over by mid January and the effect would stop. The lake hasn't frozen over for years so now, due to the elevated water temp, we get way more snow. Global warming = more snow?
Global warming = more snow? It sounds oxymoronic, but it really isn't. To put it simply: because it is warmer, more water vapor can be held in the atmosphere, and when a cold blast of air comes through it can quickly freeze the water vapor that is being stored and turn it into a nasty snow storm and drop 12-24" in a day. When it is cold constantly, not nearly as much water vapor can be absorbed in the atmosphere and most of it stays in the lake in either liquid or frozen form.
I'm in a place where global warming has a weird effect. I live by lake Erie (no smart *ss remarks dissing my home please) and we have whats called "lake effect snow". It only occurs when the lake is unfrozen. The lake used to freeze over by mid January and the effect would stop. The lake hasn't frozen over for years so now, due to the elevated water temp, we get way more snow. Global warming = more snow?
Global warming = more snow? It sounds oxymoronic, but it really isn't. To put it simply: because it is warmer, more water vapor can be held in the atmosphere, and when a cold blast of air comes through it can quickly freeze the water vapor that is being stored and turn it into a nasty snow storm and drop 12-24" in a day. When it is cold constantly, not nearly as much water vapor can be absorbed in the atmosphere and most of it stays in the lake in either liquid or frozen form.
phixer
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"That's like saying if you robbed a bank w/your friend and he was caught on tape and you weren't that you aren't that he was committing a crime but you weren't because. That's a ridiculous remark that has not backing behind it. "
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
JK you are correct.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by garnet13aj
I'm not saying that immigration isn't a huge concern. I realize that we simply do not have the room for the amount of people that want to enter, but that doesn't mean because immigration is an issue that global warming isn't.
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
JK you are correct.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
I'm not saying that immigration isn't a huge concern. I realize that we simply do not have the room for the amount of people that want to enter, but that doesn't mean because immigration is an issue that global warming isn't.
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by garnet13aj
That's like saying if you robbed a bank w/your friend and he was caught on tape and you weren't that you aren't that he was committing a crime but you weren't because. That's a ridiculous remark that has not backing behind it.
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
JK you are correct.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
That's like saying if you robbed a bank w/your friend and he was caught on tape and you weren't that you aren't that he was committing a crime but you weren't because. That's a ridiculous remark that has not backing behind it.
:notsure:
....Umm.... OK?
Sorry but I dont take anything from the man who invented the internet (Al Gore) seriously.
Illegal immigration poses more of a threat to our country than does global warming at this point in time.
Regarding global warming.
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
The US is strong in creativity and innovation. The answer is alternative energy soloutions developed by the US that can be marketed and sold to the rest of the world. Currently the costs are too high which makes them more restrictive to 3rd world countries and makes the dirty fuels more practical. To start I think there is a great deal of potential to be realized in ethanol and bio-diesel.
tacoma38
Member
weather been like this for sometime.I am in ky,and the last 10 years have been strange.No rain to much rain.No snow in 10 years nothing over 2 inches anyway.Yes i agree mother nature has had enough of are pollution,cars,factories.Too tell you the truth,I just hope mother nature can fix all when we(humans are gone.which I think will be within the next 100 years..My thoughts but who cares right.later
garnet13aj
Active Member
I believe it is a matter of priority. It's important that everyone does their part but overpopulation is the real threat to the environment. The countries with the biggest populations are the ones who are causing the greatest ammount of damage to the global environment. The damage the US does is a drop in the bucket compaired to the damage China and India cause. Not to mention the rainforests. The citizens of these countries want what the US has. This will eventually create an irreversible cycle if these countries arent proactive now. It would be somewhat hypocritical to tell them to back off the fossil fuel considering our track record.
Now I'm confused and don't understand where you stand on the issue phixer. I think we are comming much more towards an understanding. The issue is that if we wait till global warming as as imminent as immigration (give it 10 years) it will be an even bigger problem we have to be proactive now is order to curb the issue before it is too big to reasonably handle.
Yes, population is a huge problem, it's part of the problem. That's one of the reasons I will not be having my own kids, but will be adopting.
The countries w/the biggest population are not the ones causing the greatest amount of damage. We are, did you look at the graphs?
It is true that not everyone can have what we have, but that doesn't me we deserve to have it and they don't. We are going to have to compromise. As you said it's hipocritical to tell them to back off. I agree w/you there, as well as about alternative energy sources.
Now I'm confused and don't understand where you stand on the issue phixer. I think we are comming much more towards an understanding. The issue is that if we wait till global warming as as imminent as immigration (give it 10 years) it will be an even bigger problem we have to be proactive now is order to curb the issue before it is too big to reasonably handle.
Yes, population is a huge problem, it's part of the problem. That's one of the reasons I will not be having my own kids, but will be adopting.
The countries w/the biggest population are not the ones causing the greatest amount of damage. We are, did you look at the graphs?
It is true that not everyone can have what we have, but that doesn't me we deserve to have it and they don't. We are going to have to compromise. As you said it's hipocritical to tell them to back off. I agree w/you there, as well as about alternative energy sources.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by garnet13aj
Now I'm confused and don't understand where you stand on the issue phixer. I think we are comming much more towards an understanding. The issue is that if we wait till global warming as as imminent as immigration (give it 10 years) it will be an even bigger problem we have to be proactive now is order to curb the issue before it is too big to reasonably handle.
Yes, population is a huge problem, it's part of the problem. That's one of the reasons I will not be having my own kids, but will be adopting.
The countries w/the biggest population are not the ones causing the greatest amount of damage. We are, did you look at the graphs?
It is true that not everyone can have what we have, but that doesn't me we deserve to have it and they don't. We are going to have to compromise. As you said it's hipocritical to tell them to back off. I agree w/you there, as well as about alternative energy sources.
BADGERMILK!!!
Hate to burst your bubble, but that data is full of Shite otherwise known as skewed. CO2 and NOX emissions from China and India have shifted and grown exponentially since 2004 due to economic gains population increases. Wait until these two come on line even more. Made in China will take on a whole new meaning. Figures dont lie, but unfortunately liars can figure....
Ever been to Bangkok?
Heres an idea. We secure our borders by enforcing the already existing laws first because as mentioned earlier, if our economy gets flushed global warming wont matter anyway. We wont have the infleuence to make a difference in the global warming situation unless we have a strong enough economy to implement the right trends and lead the way. The threat of terrorism and the destruction to our economy from illeagal immigration is currently causing the kind of damage that affects people more profoundly then global warming. When faced with issues relating to human survival the economy is closer to home than global warming. Ask yourself what matters most right now, your security/job or global warming?
How do we fix it. We build a wall and guard it with an Armed National Guard.
And we live up to our reputation as a nation of innovators and pioneers and develop alternative soloutions to oil allowing us to cut our ties with the oil barons. By developing alternate technology we create a market and produce a trend for the rest of the world to follow. The same way we have with many other inventions. We must use the market to force the industry to change.
The only message the greedy oil companies understand is one of action. How does each person do their part? An effective way is to switch to a flex fueled vehicle that will run on Ethanol and Gasoline. I have written a great deal about this many, many, times on this forum. Flex fuel vehicles are already in production, lots of websites out there with models and they cost almost the same as a conventional gasoline vehicle. Where to get ethanol? It is both legal and inexpensive to build an ethanol still in a garage if it is used for fuel.
Your idea of adoption is very admirable. My relatives have been to China twice to adopt.
Now I'm confused and don't understand where you stand on the issue phixer. I think we are comming much more towards an understanding. The issue is that if we wait till global warming as as imminent as immigration (give it 10 years) it will be an even bigger problem we have to be proactive now is order to curb the issue before it is too big to reasonably handle.
Yes, population is a huge problem, it's part of the problem. That's one of the reasons I will not be having my own kids, but will be adopting.
The countries w/the biggest population are not the ones causing the greatest amount of damage. We are, did you look at the graphs?
It is true that not everyone can have what we have, but that doesn't me we deserve to have it and they don't. We are going to have to compromise. As you said it's hipocritical to tell them to back off. I agree w/you there, as well as about alternative energy sources.
BADGERMILK!!!
Hate to burst your bubble, but that data is full of Shite otherwise known as skewed. CO2 and NOX emissions from China and India have shifted and grown exponentially since 2004 due to economic gains population increases. Wait until these two come on line even more. Made in China will take on a whole new meaning. Figures dont lie, but unfortunately liars can figure....
Ever been to Bangkok?
Heres an idea. We secure our borders by enforcing the already existing laws first because as mentioned earlier, if our economy gets flushed global warming wont matter anyway. We wont have the infleuence to make a difference in the global warming situation unless we have a strong enough economy to implement the right trends and lead the way. The threat of terrorism and the destruction to our economy from illeagal immigration is currently causing the kind of damage that affects people more profoundly then global warming. When faced with issues relating to human survival the economy is closer to home than global warming. Ask yourself what matters most right now, your security/job or global warming?
How do we fix it. We build a wall and guard it with an Armed National Guard.
And we live up to our reputation as a nation of innovators and pioneers and develop alternative soloutions to oil allowing us to cut our ties with the oil barons. By developing alternate technology we create a market and produce a trend for the rest of the world to follow. The same way we have with many other inventions. We must use the market to force the industry to change.
The only message the greedy oil companies understand is one of action. How does each person do their part? An effective way is to switch to a flex fueled vehicle that will run on Ethanol and Gasoline. I have written a great deal about this many, many, times on this forum. Flex fuel vehicles are already in production, lots of websites out there with models and they cost almost the same as a conventional gasoline vehicle. Where to get ethanol? It is both legal and inexpensive to build an ethanol still in a garage if it is used for fuel.
Your idea of adoption is very admirable. My relatives have been to China twice to adopt.
garnet13aj
Active Member
Ask yourself what matters most right now, your security/job or global warming?
Honestly and personally for me global warming means way more to me. When the world is falling apart and my kids/grandkids look at me and tell me they are scared I want to be able to look them in the eyes and say I did all I could to protect them, even if it wasn't enough. But we all have different priorities and I think what this conversation is showing is simply that we have different priorities. Simple as that. What can you do? It be cozy if we all thought the same, but it'd be pretty boring too.
Honestly and personally for me global warming means way more to me. When the world is falling apart and my kids/grandkids look at me and tell me they are scared I want to be able to look them in the eyes and say I did all I could to protect them, even if it wasn't enough. But we all have different priorities and I think what this conversation is showing is simply that we have different priorities. Simple as that. What can you do? It be cozy if we all thought the same, but it'd be pretty boring too.
garnet13aj
Active Member
garnet13aj,
I would bet once you are a parent your priorites will change by some degree
Umm, uncontrollable storms, unpredictable weather patters. I will fear for my children's safety. Immigrants won't be taking my job as a biologist and although I think immigration is an issue because our country cannot physically hold the amount of people that want to be here, I do not, and will not, but it above global warming prevention on my list of priorities. Both need solutions and only one is getting the attention and media coverage it deserves.
I would bet once you are a parent your priorites will change by some degree
Umm, uncontrollable storms, unpredictable weather patters. I will fear for my children's safety. Immigrants won't be taking my job as a biologist and although I think immigration is an issue because our country cannot physically hold the amount of people that want to be here, I do not, and will not, but it above global warming prevention on my list of priorities. Both need solutions and only one is getting the attention and media coverage it deserves.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by garnet13aj
Umm, uncontrollable storms, unpredictable weather patters. I will fear for my children's safety. Immigrants won't be taking my job as a biologist and although I think immigration is an issue because our country cannot physically hold the amount of people that want to be here, I do not, and will not, but it above global warming prevention on my list of priorities. Both need solutions and only one is getting the attention and media coverage it deserves.
You dont think so? These type of jobs are the first to be outsourced to cheaper labor markets i.e. India because they save companies the most by not having to insure and pay American wages. Many people are going to Thailand for surgery now because its the Wal-Mart of medicine and the doctors are just as good and charge less money. 20/20 did a documentary on this last year. Same for the IT jobs and tech fields. How does this relate to illeagal immigration. Once your job is outsourced the only ones left will be low paying service jobs which are currently being gobbled up by illeagals willing to work for 3 bucks an hour?
At this point my concers about global warming would have to take a back seat to issues directly affecting our economy, there are too many what if's.
Umm, uncontrollable storms, unpredictable weather patters. I will fear for my children's safety. Immigrants won't be taking my job as a biologist and although I think immigration is an issue because our country cannot physically hold the amount of people that want to be here, I do not, and will not, but it above global warming prevention on my list of priorities. Both need solutions and only one is getting the attention and media coverage it deserves.
You dont think so? These type of jobs are the first to be outsourced to cheaper labor markets i.e. India because they save companies the most by not having to insure and pay American wages. Many people are going to Thailand for surgery now because its the Wal-Mart of medicine and the doctors are just as good and charge less money. 20/20 did a documentary on this last year. Same for the IT jobs and tech fields. How does this relate to illeagal immigration. Once your job is outsourced the only ones left will be low paying service jobs which are currently being gobbled up by illeagals willing to work for 3 bucks an hour?
At this point my concers about global warming would have to take a back seat to issues directly affecting our economy, there are too many what if's.
maxsmart
Member
Global warming is a natural process, not caused by pollution. Air pollution has been going down for centuries (sure, coal power plants pollute.. but not as much as they did 50 years ago and not as much as the thousands of individual campfires people used for light and warmth before they existed!) When oxygen levels start to rise, so do wildfires - which create more CO2 than industry. The whole global warming herring is just an attempt by the democrats to get political contributions from big companies offering products along these lines, especiall those competing with the republican-dominated fossil-fuel industry. (ie, Archer-Daniels-Midland) The Republicans are cashing in too, but they won't go 100% because they get much from oil companies.
Global warming won't change one way or another. If you want to make a better reason for moving away from fossil fuels, cite safety - emmissions cause respiratory problems in humans, and soil contamination near roads. Better yet, cite peace - if the US weren't dependent on oil, we wouldn't have to keep invading countries to secure lower prices - all our corruption would be purely internal. Then we could vacation outside the US without being a target. I, for one, am tired of getting rocks thrown at me every time I go to Europe, and constantly having to watch my back.
Global warming won't change one way or another. If you want to make a better reason for moving away from fossil fuels, cite safety - emmissions cause respiratory problems in humans, and soil contamination near roads. Better yet, cite peace - if the US weren't dependent on oil, we wouldn't have to keep invading countries to secure lower prices - all our corruption would be purely internal. Then we could vacation outside the US without being a target. I, for one, am tired of getting rocks thrown at me every time I go to Europe, and constantly having to watch my back.