US Navy Directive 16134

[veni vidi vici]

I am having difficulties understanding why.
1.You consider Iraq a host country.
I don't think they invited us and i think that would be one qualification to be a "host country"
2.Why would you think we need to be sensitive in a hostile country under hostile conditions?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I am having difficulties understanding why.
1.You consider Iraq a host country.
I don't think they invited us and i think that would be one qualification to be a "host country"
2.Why would you think we need to be sensitive in a hostile country under hostile conditions?
I am having difficulties understanding why.
1. You consider this directive to apply to Iraq and Iraq only.
2. Why you think developing good relations with the civilians of any country, hostile or not is not a good idea.
Let us think for a moment, who's directive is this... The Navy's. Granted the Marines are considered part of the Navy but I would imagine that if this was isolated to the marines, it would have been primarily sent to them. So it has been my experience that the majority of the Naval personnel in the middle east is not in Iraq but in host countries. Countries that have atleast a civil interaction with the US. Second, even if it was in Iraq, I do not think many military personel hangout outside of their bases in inflamatory t-shirts 'because it raises their moral'.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I am having difficulties understanding why.
1. You consider this directive to apply to Iraq and Iraq only.
I dont and i could care less who reads the signs and shirts.
Originally Posted by Jerthunter
2. Why you think developing good relations with the civilians of any country, hostile or not is not a good idea.
It isn't possible to develop "good "relations with people who hate you no matter what.

 

[veni vidi vici]

The tactic of "winning the hearts and minds of the people" failed once,why try it again?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I dont and i could care less who reads the signs and shirts.
It isn't possible to develop "good "relations with people who hate you no matter what.
Luckily it doesn't matter what we 'care' about. I hope decisions concerning our military are made based on what brings about the desired results. Our fight agianst the insurgents in Iraq is not served by stressing ties with countries that currently allow a US military presence.
Having spent time in the middle east I can tell you that not everyone there 'hates you no matter what'. But if you wear a shirt, out and about in Bahrain, it isn't only going to be the people who 'hate you' that read the shirt. Anyone can read a sign or a shirt and when our 'friends' are few and far between it would seem to be a bad strategy to insult those few friends.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
LOL Im just curious,but dont you think bombing the crap out of a country and wiping out its military is rude?
Come on man, how old are you? War is war, there isn't anything rude about it, it's death and destruction. There is a younger generation in these countries we can turn to a more moderate outlook and they can be our allies in the future. Having dopes running around in shirts that mock them and their beliefs is in no way helping the cause.
This is not about sensativity training, it's about common sense. YOu might see all the dark people in the middle east as the enemy but they aren't and we need to make sure that we don't turn more against us. Treating them (the masses) with dignity and respect would go a long way to helping the cause.

 

[veni vidi vici]

I have a feeling that we can argue this and that for probably longer than the conflict will go on.But hopefully we can agree on this.I hope that our country will do what ever it takes to win this battle against those who wish to cause harm to us here and abroad.I hope for the sake of our troops and their familys that this country can pull together for the greater good.
BTW after doing some research ,ive found that this directive may in fact be a hoax.And this whole debate started with a jab and a insult. What a waste

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Come on man, how old are you? War is war, there isn't anything rude about it, it's death and destruction. There is a younger generation in these countries we can turn to a more moderate outlook and they can be our allies in the future. Having dopes running around in shirts that mock them and their beliefs is in no way helping the cause.
This is not about sensativity training, it's about common sense. YOu might see all the dark people in the middle east as the enemy but they aren't and we need to make sure that we don't turn more against us. Treating them (the masses) with dignity and respect would go a long way to helping the cause.
You missed the point of the statement.Why doesn't that surprise me.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I have a feeling that we can argue this and that for probably longer than the conflict will go on.But hopefully we can agree on this.I hope that our country will do what ever it takes to win this battle against those who wish to cause harm to us here and abroad.I hope for the sake of our troops and their familys that this country can pull together for the greater good.
BTW after doing some research ,ive found that this directive may in fact be a hoax.And this whole debate started with a jab and a insult. What a waste

I would not call it a waste. It brings up something I feel is important. Just because someone hates you is not a good reason to fuel the hated by behaving unnecessarily rudely.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jmick
There is a younger generation in these countries we can turn to a more moderate outlook and they can be our allies in the future. .
Sure we can,and i bet you still believe in the tooth fairy.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Sure we can,and i bet you still believe in the tooth fairy.
How long ago was it when the Iraqis were our allies???

 

[jerthunter]

It is not just about Iraq either, it is about Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, and a host of other regions that allow our military personel to be stationed in their countries.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I would not call it a waste. It brings up something I feel is important. Just because someone hates you is not a good reason to fuel the hated by behaving unnecessarily rudely.
It would be wise to understand that these days when someone hates you may wind up dead.
Im glad we can debate in a civilized manner.Unlike with some who may need some sensitivity training themselves.

sheesh all the nasty insults ...sniff..sniff i think he might have hurt my feelings.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
You missed the point of the statement.Why doesn't that surprise me.
There wasn't really a point to your statement. War is war, insulting a culture after you have destroyed it's armies and toppled it's dicator is something else and do you know what that might be?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
It would be wise to understand that these days when someone hates you may wind up dead.
Im glad we can debate in a civilized manner.Unlike with some who may need some sensitivity training themselves.

sheesh all the nasty insults ...sniff..sniff i think he might have hurt my feelings.

I doubt your hurt feelings are going to make it into the news and become a justification used by violent people to hurt people. What we are talking about here isn't about being politcally correct. We are talking about a small level respect that requires no effort that will prevent damage to ones co-workers and friends.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
It would be wise to understand that these days when someone hates you may wind up dead.
Im glad we can debate in a civilized manner.Unlike with some who may need some sensitivity training themselves.

sheesh all the nasty insults ...sniff..sniff i think he might have hurt my feelings.

It's a good thing you are a post native american with thick skin

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jmick
There wasn't really a point to your statement. War is war, insulting a culture after you have destroyed it's armies and toppled it's dicator is something else and do you know what that might be?
Sniff,Sniff it smells like victory as soon as we wipe out the Irainians,Syrians,and all the rest of the arabs and persians who have infiltrated iraq to fight "THE GREAT SATAN."

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jmick
It's a good thing you are a post native american with thick skin

LMAO That i am

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Sniff,Sniff it smells like victory as soon as we wipe out the Irainians,Syrians,and all the rest of the arabs and persians who have infiltrated iraq to fight "THE GREAT SATAN."
So, how is that gonna happen? Where are all of these magic troops gonna come from to fight this great war agains the Muslim world?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Sniff,Sniff it smells like victory as soon as we wipe out the Irainians,Syrians,and all the rest of the arabs and persians who have infiltrated iraq to fight "THE GREAT SATAN."
I sure hope you do not believe this. Genocide is a truely awful thing...