florida joe
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Henry, once a week with water changes. I am not sure what you mean by accumulate
Vodka Dosing.
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florida joe
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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3080803
Just how often that amount would accumulate in the sump. You answered, one week. Thanx!!!
My pleasure. But what has to be factored in is I have a lot going on in my refug
http:///forum/post/3080803
Just how often that amount would accumulate in the sump. You answered, one week. Thanx!!!
My pleasure. But what has to be factored in is I have a lot going on in my refug
florida joe
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Henry Henry Henry what would I do with out you taxing my limited brain. My nitrates are between 0 and 5. My own personal thoughts are that the demise of the caulerpa is in fact putting nitrates back into the water that are eagerly eaten by the biomass produced by the dosing
florida joe
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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3080828
Would not the system be better served by a thorough cleaning of the dead and decaying materials located in the sump?
I realize this might entail a lull of sorts in your vodka dosing to your own system here but hey!!!!!!!!
Umm I am sure you mean my refug. The flotsam is obviously a by-product of the dosing. Once I stop dosing I am sure I will no longer have this accruing and my caulerpa will again flourish. I am not really sure what I would gain by your suggestion please elaborate
http:///forum/post/3080828
Would not the system be better served by a thorough cleaning of the dead and decaying materials located in the sump?
I realize this might entail a lull of sorts in your vodka dosing to your own system here but hey!!!!!!!!
Umm I am sure you mean my refug. The flotsam is obviously a by-product of the dosing. Once I stop dosing I am sure I will no longer have this accruing and my caulerpa will again flourish. I am not really sure what I would gain by your suggestion please elaborate
spanko
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Perhaps the reduction and or elimination of the biomass that continues to accumulate. My thought is that if the Caulerpa continues do decompose the biomass will continue. If the dead materials are removed the dosing can then provide the ULN system we are trying to achieve? If the dosing and resultant bacteria have to work to reduce the nutrient generated by the dying materials in the fuge, aren't you working against the goal, if it is your goal, to provide the ULN system that will allow more feeding to the tank to enhance the coral growth and color?
florida joe
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Henry again with all due respect I do not understand what you are driving at or maybe I do. Are you saying the biomass is a product of the added nitrates introduced by the die off of caulerpa and if there were not die off there would be not biomass accumulation in my refug
florida joe
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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3080863
Ding Ding Ding give that man a kewpie doll!!!!!!!!
Umm did not the late great MJ and I am not talking about the basketball player(still alive) get in trouble for having one of those. My thinking is now that you have added a new scenario to the project I will let the caulerpa slowly die off and monitor the biomass for a diminishing presence
http:///forum/post/3080863
Ding Ding Ding give that man a kewpie doll!!!!!!!!
Umm did not the late great MJ and I am not talking about the basketball player(still alive) get in trouble for having one of those. My thinking is now that you have added a new scenario to the project I will let the caulerpa slowly die off and monitor the biomass for a diminishing presence
spanko
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Me thinks allowing it to die is not enough. The dead material needs to be removed from the system. Is releasing nutrient into system that takes the bacteria produced by carbon dosing to nullify it. Would these bacteria not be better utilized in excess food and fish waste nitrate production than in dead and decaying algae nitrate production??
Inquiring minds need to know!!!!!
Inquiring minds need to know!!!!!
florida joe
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Me thinks allowing it to die is not enough. The dead material needs to be removed from the system
I will gladly play Watson to your Holmes.
In my case the dead caulerpa is in fact incorporated with the bio-mass I remove weekly.
We may have stumbled upon a novel way of removing caulerpa from a DT if need be. The bio-mass may out perform the caulerpa for nutrients as the caulerpa dies it is introducing a good source of food for the bio-mass to eat. That may be why it is concentrated in my refug. But it may work the same way in a DT that is overrun with caulerpa. As I have stated I personally have not had a sexual event (not asexual) with the death of my caulerpa.
Would these bacteria not be better utilized in excess food and fish waste nitrate production than in dead and decaying algae nitrate production??
I think the bacteria produced by dosing grow in relation to its food availability. In my case my nitrates went to zero and then up to 0-5, which is from all I have read, is normal. I think if I took out the caulerpa. I would have achieved the same thing in the same time frame only with fewer bacteria involved
I will gladly play Watson to your Holmes.
In my case the dead caulerpa is in fact incorporated with the bio-mass I remove weekly.
We may have stumbled upon a novel way of removing caulerpa from a DT if need be. The bio-mass may out perform the caulerpa for nutrients as the caulerpa dies it is introducing a good source of food for the bio-mass to eat. That may be why it is concentrated in my refug. But it may work the same way in a DT that is overrun with caulerpa. As I have stated I personally have not had a sexual event (not asexual) with the death of my caulerpa.
Would these bacteria not be better utilized in excess food and fish waste nitrate production than in dead and decaying algae nitrate production??
I think the bacteria produced by dosing grow in relation to its food availability. In my case my nitrates went to zero and then up to 0-5, which is from all I have read, is normal. I think if I took out the caulerpa. I would have achieved the same thing in the same time frame only with fewer bacteria involved
al mc
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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3081424
I think if I took out the caulerpa. I would have achieved the same thing in the same time frame only with fewer bacteria involved
I was thinking that it would be great to see if I can get a balance where some of the macroalgae can survive along with the biomass bacteria increase
and achieve a nitrate level constantly at about '5'.
http:///forum/post/3081424
I think if I took out the caulerpa. I would have achieved the same thing in the same time frame only with fewer bacteria involved
I was thinking that it would be great to see if I can get a balance where some of the macroalgae can survive along with the biomass bacteria increase
and achieve a nitrate level constantly at about '5'.
spanko
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So Joe,
Poster "Please look at my fuge and tell me what you think"
Joe "Why do you want a fuge?"
Poster " Hey do I need to add live rock to my fuge?"
Joe " What do you hope to accomplish with your fuge?"
Henry " Hey Joe, so what was your original goal for vodka dosing in your tank?"
Joe.........
Poster "Please look at my fuge and tell me what you think"
Joe "Why do you want a fuge?"
Poster " Hey do I need to add live rock to my fuge?"
Joe " What do you hope to accomplish with your fuge?"
Henry " Hey Joe, so what was your original goal for vodka dosing in your tank?"
Joe.........
florida joe
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Nitrate reduction
florida joe
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Strictly nitrate reductions I was constantly reading 40 this was pre refug. My DT has been up and running for about 8 years. Crushed coral was the way to go when I started, that may or may not have added to my nitrate situation. I personally believe denitrification via anaerobic bacteria is a very very slow process. I did not really see any determent to my nitrates but I wanted the challenge of seeing if I could bring them down via higher forms of algae (caulerpa). That gave birth to my building a custom refug, which I chronicled on SWF. Vodka dosing I felt was a hedge against having to remove all of the caulerpa in my refug if it became detrimental.
Note I will test for nitrates
Note I will test for nitrates