Way to go California Supreme Court

crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by mie
http:///forum/post/2612910
Children need BOTH parents, there are some things that cannot be tought by by a mom or a dad it is a team effort.
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This is quite possibly what is RUINING our country.......
So you'd like to remove any children born to single moms or divorced parents. My dad died when I was 3... maybe I'd have been better off being shipped to foster care. One of my best friends, my college roommate has a gay dad. His dad has had a life partner for about 20 years now. My friend is a successful executive with a JD and MBA. He has a wife and daughter. Tell me how that is ruining our country.
I haven't seen a single rational, logical or un-paranoid supporter for a ban on gay marriage.
The reality is that I don't care if gays get married or not. I don't care if they live together, hold hands, wear rings or file their taxes jointly. It doesn't affect me. Why do you care?
 
scotts

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2612920
prove to me that the sky is blue.
this is going nowhere
The sky is blue because of the way the atmosphere bends the light waves from the sun.
You are right this is going no where.
 
crimzy

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There is a theory that those who are most threatened by gay behavior/lifestyle are simply masking insecurities about their own potential tendencies. Just wanted to throw that out there...
 
jmick

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Originally Posted by mie
http:///forum/post/2612910
Adopting children or having them artificialy in gay or even single persons lifestyle is WRONG!!!!
Children need BOTH parents, there are some things that cannot be tought by by a mom or a dad it is a team effort.
Having children just for the sake of having them is selfish, and these persons and groups wanting them should be ashamed of themselves.
If you want someone to love you get a dog or a cat.
This is quite possibly what is RUINING our country.......

So you think it'd be better for a child to never be loved and to be part of the system his or her whole juvenile life then to be adopted by a loving gay or lesbian couple? That is what I consider to be selfish and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so narrow-minded.
What is ruining our country is rampant obesity, massive credit card debt, a war with no end, good paying jobs being shipped overseas, a massive dependence on China and we have lost our voice and have been replaced by special interest groups. It makes me laugh that you think that over turning a ban on same --- marriage is RUINING our country.
 
triga22

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I have no problem with it as long as they dont effect me. But, Im all for this country and our country was built off of christianity and I dont think that our forfathers would agree on this. We our turning into the opposite of what the founders believed in. People nowa'days dont have to stand up for the pledge, everyone is so un-patriotic and it really ticks me off. I have had a flag outside of my house and will never change that. The american flag is there as a rememberence of what this country was built off of. Exactly what these laws are changing.
 
triga22

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Marriage-the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Thats odd, the definition dosent say man and man or woman and woman. Marriage involves religion. Unless gay's have a religion of their own they really are not allowed to get "Married" in a church.
 
jmick

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Originally Posted by TriGa22
http:///forum/post/2612960
I have no problem with it as long as they dont effect me. But, Im all for this country and our country was built off of christianity and I dont think that our forfathers would agree on this. We our turning into the opposite of what the founders believed in. People nowa'days dont have to stand up for the pledge, everyone is so un-patriotic and it really ticks me off. I have had a flag outside of my house and will never change that. The american flag is there as a rememberence of what this country was built off of. Exactly what these laws are changing.
What would our forefather have thought when we abolished slavery, gave women the right to vote, allowed interracial marriage and desegregated schools?
What ever happened to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness?
 
K

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Originally Posted by mie
http:///forum/post/2612910
Adopting children or having them artificialy in gay or even single persons lifestyle is WRONG!!!!
Children need BOTH parents, there are some things that cannot be tought by by a mom or a dad it is a team effort.
Having children just for the sake of having them is selfish, and these persons and groups wanting them should be ashamed of themselves.
If you want someone to love you get a dog or a cat.
This is quite possibly what is RUINING our country.......
...wow. Reading that just made me sick.
I don't have a mother. So what are you implying?
 
aquaknight

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I guess to basically sum up some points. To me, keep in mind I haven't actually determined my stance yet, it's just like the marijuana debate. The people against try and provide some reasonable, IMO, objections, yet all they get is called narrow-minded and incompetent.
It seems like the line has to be drawn somewhere. What everyone against is saying that this is a slippery slope and who knows what's next. It seemed like the people of California wanted that line above gay marriages. As to how 4 judges overruled that is beyond me. I think the founding fathers would have a much harder time with the fact that the people's opinion isn't worth anything.
 
triga22

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Slavery is the torture of innocent people. And everything that went along with racial views. It was wrong and thankfully people stepped up and got rid of it. But anyways if they were still alive I would say that they would agree with it. Why because back then views were different. Yes now you could say well now views are different as well. Yes, but no. Doing all of this was toward the greater good. Letting gay people marry is not for the greater good. Its just allowing this country to run away from what they believed in. The forefathers didnt believe in same --- marrige. Becuase they were christian, actually mroe like roman catholic which is ever more of a "hard core" christian. Like I said slavery is way different then this. Slavery is just down right wrong and really the forefather didnt belive in slavery. And it was a southern thing, the southerners looked at it as a way to get free work and make more money. Allowing the women to vote is the same, now If they were alive I think that they would agree. Women are just as equal as men.
 
miaheatlvr

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I have either seen or heard that as well that there is a major rise in divorces and separations in same-s ex marriages.
Me personally do not approve in same-s ex marriage.
I think it does open a grey area of who can and cannot get married.
I believe the basic foundation of marriage is to create strong moral "family" values and install "core" values as well to the best of our abilities. For our future which is our children. CONCEIVED by NATURAL procreation between a man and a woman.
I have no problem with homose-xuality and work with many people in my business who are of that se-xual preference and I truly care for them BUT I dont feel that it should be pushed on us by the media or in school as a class. It should be a persons personal preference.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2612864
Not true. http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_8893673
A Photographer, who refused to work for a gay civil ceremony, was fined.
Once non-traditional marriages are legalized churches could very well lose their ability to only perform traditional marriages. To pretend the homosexual agenda is only out for "equal rights" is ignoring history.
I don't want to chastise anyone. I do, however, want to preserve the definition of marriage.
Let's not forget, religious "zealots" founded our country, wrote our Declaration of Independence, fought against the British for our Nation's freedom, wrote our Constitution, and made this country what it is today. I would hardly consider that keeping a Nation in the Dark Ages...
What history are you referring to? I would say 90% of homosexual relationships want them official so they can obtain the same liberties and benefits any other married couple has (sharing of property, health benefits, etc.) I love the way reefreak stigmatizes that every gay relationship is subjected to HIV and AIDS, and they want to get married simply for the medical benefits. But hey, it's OK if a drug-addicted 'normal' couple that passes around AIDS with their dirty needles get the health coverage.
No, trying to keep a woman from doing what she wants with her own body, forcing people to drive miles for a beer because they live in 'Dry' neighborhoods, not allowing a state to reap the benefits of gambling, not allowing individuals to dance and express their opinions... this is why religious zealots keep this country in the Dark Ages. Personally, I think religion is the basis for the destruction of this world.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2613044
What history are you referring to? I would say 90% of homosexual relationships want them official so they can obtain the same liberties and benefits any other married couple has (sharing of property, health benefits, etc.) I love the way reefreak stigmatizes that every gay relationship is subjected to HIV and AIDS, and they want to get married simply for the medical benefits. But hey, it's OK if a drug-addicted 'normal' couple that passes around AIDS with their dirty needles get the health coverage.
No, trying to keep a woman from doing what she wants with her own body, forcing people to drive miles for a beer because they live in 'Dry' neighborhoods, not allowing a state to reap the benefits of gambling, not allowing individuals to dance and express their opinions... this is why religious zealots keep this country in the Dark Ages. Personally, I think religion is the basis for the destruction of this world.
You are trying to change the point. Where are you getting 90% from?
You said non-traditional marriages do not affect churches. Yet I posted proof of a religious person adversely being affected by legalized unions. It certainly stands to reason that if a photographer can be sued for not wanting to work a gay-union then a church could just as easily be sued for not allowing a gay ceremony.
Again, our Nation was founded by religious zealots. Would you then equate our nation's founding to the destruction of the world?
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2613096
You are trying to change the point. Where are you getting 90% from?
You said non-traditional marriages do not affect churches. Yet I posted proof of a religious person adversely being affected by legalized unions. It certainly stands to reason that if a photographer can be sued for not wanting to work a gay-union then a church could just as easily be sued for not allowing a gay ceremony.
Again, our Nation was founded by religious zealots. Would you then equate our nation's founding to the destruction of the world?

Our nation did its part to destroy the native people of our land didn't it or is that a part of our history you've decided to forget?
Well, the photographer is guilty of discrimination isn't she? Wasn't she found guilty and fined? What if it had been an Indian couple or a Muslim couple and the photographer didn't want to participate in a non Christian ceremony? What would you say if a doctor refused them care because they were gay? Would this be alright?
 
bionicarm

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You're using that frivoulous lawsuit to make some lame point. It could have easily been two black people, two Mexicans, two Islams, pick one, that could have made the very same lawsuit. It's sad you want to inject religion into whether two individuals should have a legal union. You seem to want to go back to a time that is 180 degrees from today's world to make some theological point. Our Founding Fathers never imagined the country would turn out the way it did. Religious zealots continually want to amend the basic rights of the Constitution to fit their ideological agendas. I don't agree or appreciate any group pushing their beliefs on me. Just because a group of people wrote a book claiming there's this one and true powerful being that controls everything we do and say in this world, doesn't mean I have to believe in it. So those of you who do, have no right pushing your beliefs down the throats of individuals who just want to make a good life for themselves.
Where did I come up with 90%? It's just a number out of a hat. Yes, I've read the multitude of posts you've made on this board, and it appears you're an individual who has to have hard-coded facts to believe anything is true. Which is amusing, since you seem to believe in the entity known as God, when you have no physical or hard-coded facts he/she exists. If you don't think it's 90%, have someone do a poll. I'm sure you can find many homosexuals that would be happy to comply. You may find out it's higher than 90%
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2613112
Where did I come up with 90%? It's just a number out of a hat. Yes, I've read the multitude of posts you've made on this board, and it appears you're an individual who has to have hard-coded facts to believe anything is true. Which is amusing, since you seem to believe in the entity known as God, when you have no physical or hard-coded facts he/she exists. If you don't think it's 90%, have someone do a poll. I'm sure you can find many homosexuals that would be happy to comply. You may find out it's higher than 90%
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2612678
It is apples to apples when you compare that the majority of America wanted to keep the ban on interracial marriage and that the courts went against the will of the people to make it legal because that was the right thing to do.
I need to keep this litle tidbit for the next big political debate. Who would guess? The few making the decisions, because the many are too stupid.
 
mie

mie

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2612923
So you'd like to remove any children born to single moms or divorced parents. My dad died when I was 3... maybe I'd have been better off being shipped to foster care. One of my best friends, my college roommate has a gay dad. His dad has had a life partner for about 20 years now. My friend is a successful executive with a JD and MBA. He has a wife and daughter. Tell me how that is ruining our country.
I haven't seen a single rational, logical or un-paranoid supporter for a ban on gay marriage.
The reality is that I don't care if gays get married or not. I don't care if they live together, hold hands, wear rings or file their taxes jointly. It doesn't affect me. Why do you care?
There is obviously an exception to the rule, lets not forget that. (read between the lines)
 
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