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reefreak29

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Beth
While this issue is, unfortunately, polluted with political overtures, as is most everything these days, I believe the scientists. While there are some scientists who deny this, most no long consider "global warming" a theory anymore. There just is way too many things happening that have confirmed that it is occurring.
Obviously, there is science that documents that warming trends happen naturally. I don't think anyone can refute that. But, most recent studies show such a tremendous increase in the trend over just the past 50 years, it is foolhardy to deny its occurring. It is just common sense that the pollution generated by human activity must effect on our environment.
We need to take the politics out of the equation and deal with the problem. Whether we caused this, or it is occurring naturally, its a fact and we need to do something about it, or we will be the next species appearing on the "went extinct list".
I'm not a liberal democrat, BTW.

your saying humans contribute mostly to (global warming) do u have any idea how much methane is put into the air every year by trees?
 
windmill

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Trees produce methane.....?
I thought it was oxygen....duh @ me!
I didn't think methane was all that bad anyways. Certainly not nearly as bad as hydrocarbons or carbon monoxide, that's for sure. Any idea how much carbon monoxide is released into the air each year by 1 person who drives an SUV? I'd be willing to bet money it's more than all the trees on earth producing methane.
 
garnet13aj

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Beth, thanks for pointing out that this isn't a liberaln + democrat issue, but an issue for all of mankind to deal with! I think the politics mixed up in the issue give the word negative connotation so that people don't think about the issue but only what their political party's official stance is.
reefreak29
your saying humans contribute mostly to (global warming) do u have any idea how much methane is put into the air every year by trees?
One stat I found says "researchers estimate that the world's plants generate more than 150 million metric tons of methane each year" from (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060114/fob1.asp)
but on top of "each year we add 350-500 million tons of methane to the air" (http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/greenhouse.htm)
It's true that methane is produced naturally by trees, and if we didn't have some greenhouse gasses we would all die becuase it is part of the natural cycle and it keeps the earth's temperature at liveable level, but we are changing that natural cycle and adding more methane than our earth has historically had to handle and things like our climate are changing because of it.
 
reefreak29

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
Beth, thanks for pointing out that this isn't a liberaln + democrat issue, but an issue for all of mankind to deal with! I think the politics mixed up in the issue give the word negative connotation so that people don't think about the issue but only what their political party's official stance is.
One stat I found says "researchers estimate that the world's plants generate more than 150 million metric tons of methane each year" from (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060114/fob1.asp)
but on top of "each year we add 350-500 million tons of methane to the air" (http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/greenhouse.htm)
It's true that methane is produced naturally by trees, and if we didn't have some greenhouse gasses we would all die becuase it is part of the natural cycle and it keeps the earth's temperature at liveable level, but we are changing that natural cycle and adding more methane than our earth has historically had to handle and things like our climate are changing because of it.
then how would u explain the temperature on other planets rising as well
theres no halaburton there, i understand are temperature is verrrrry slowly rising but i dont think its because of humans
 
garnet13aj

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Temperature rise/fall is a part of Earth's (and other planets) natural cycles, the issue here is that our temperature is raising at an extremely fast rate in comparison to how it is risen historically. I would like to hear what you think after doing some reading backed by scientific evidence in favor of global warming. I'm serious when I say I'll buy you a book because I would like to hear what your opinion is after reading it to see why it may or may not have changed. I'll even buy you an Inconvenient Truth to movie, even if you hate Al Gore it shouldn't matter because he is not using his own opinion's he's using data collected by scientists and he goes through why the most common myths are simply myths and not actually arguements against the truth of global warming and humans' increasing effect on the planet.
And thanks for continuing to reply to the topic, I find the politics along with the facts very interesting if not a little depressing.
 
reefreak29

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well i cant watch that stuff , ive learned that u can take any topic and have people swayed one way and another by using so called facts. its really irelivant , where having the coldest december in 160 years were i live, mabie global warming is contributing to that as well , i really dont know , what i do know is that the galaxy is heating up naturally, and theres not a thing u can do about it , again it doesnt really matter and its not going to be are doom if youve read revelations and i would be happy to buy u that book
in no way shape or form am i getting upset about this topic im just sharing what little info that i know about the subject and i am a conservative republican but more importantly a christian.
 
schneidts

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
I'm just wondering where you are getting your information and I'm not trying to sound like a know everything I'm just really interested in where people are getting their information and how this shapes their opinions. I obviously beleive that global warming exists and that it is produced (or atleast augmented) by humans but if your belief in the oposite is so strong I would expect that you have a sound reason for that argument and for me to trust my own opinions they need to be able to stand up to the counter arguement, so if someone out there that has the oposite opinion of me could tell me where they got their information so I could look into it I would greatly appreciate it.
I also would like people to tell me what would make them change their minds.
Sorry, I was trying to be sarcastic.
 
garnet13aj

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If you believe that God created this world, don't you think it's an insult to him to disrespect his world by polluting it? Also, just because you are a conservative republican doesn't mean you can't believe something that goes against your party's official stance unless you believe they are the ultimate fountain of knowlege. Also, are you saying that science does not mean anything? If you look at the facts of both sides seriously taking in all the information there is no debate that humans are affecting our climate.
 
reefreak29

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
If you believe that God created this world, don't you think it's an insult to him to disrespect his world by polluting it? Also, just because you are a conservative republican doesn't mean you can't believe something that goes against your party's official stance unless you believe they are the ultimate fountain of knowlege. Also, are you saying that science does not mean anything? If you look at the facts of both sides seriously taking in all the information there is no debate that humans are affecting our climate.
im not saying republicans are perfect by any means, and im not disrespecting god in any way i think he wants me to use my car to get to church on sundays, im just saying its irrelevant, and it doesnt matter, u can believe what u want and try to save the world as much as u want but the hard truth is its not going to make a difference.
 
garnet13aj

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Well, if you have extra room in your car you could try carpooling. Even if you care nothing for the world that supports you while you are living here on earth it's a good way to spend a little extra quality time with people who share your world view. I think God would appreciate it just as much if you walked, rode a bike, or took a bus whenever possible too.
 
reefreak29

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
Well, if you have extra room in your car you could try carpooling. Even if you care nothing for the world that supports you while you are living here on earth it's a good way to spend a little extra quality time with people who share your world view. I think God would appreciate it just as much if you walked, rode a bike, or took a bus whenever possible too.
i do car pool i drive my wife and kids
and i have many friends that dont share my world view. and i protect the envirnment for a living , please do not come up with this conclusion about me, i would hope someday that everything can be as efficient as possible,im just saying its irrelivant , i dont think its going to do use anyharm and thats my opinion just like you are intitled to yours
 
poop_head

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Not sure if this has been stated earlier but global warming/cooling is a cycle. Take a ecology or I imagine earth science class and they talk about global warming and what not. The earth goes through stages of warming and cooling(ice ages). So no we aren't the only cause of the warming but we speed it up, IMO. We talked about this in our ecology class and as the ice caps melt it disrupts the ocean flow which will cause a severe cooling. It is a fact that the earth is warming overall and that the ice caps are shrinking.
I think that yes we are trying to help the problem with lower immision cars, no CFCs and what not. I think we have the technology to make cars not run on gasoline or atleast little amount of gasoline, but imagine if tommorrow everyone drove cars that didn't need gasoline. Entire economical systems would crash. Think of how many employees would be out of jobs(Gas stations, Refineries, Drilling facilities...) if cars didn't use gasoline.
I'm sure I look like a fool now but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
 
reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Poop_heaD
Not sure if this has been stated earlier but global warming/cooling is a cycle. Take a ecology or I imagine earth science class and they talk about global warming and what not. The earth goes through stages of warming and cooling(ice ages). So no we aren't the only cause of the warming but we speed it up, IMO. We talked about this in our ecology class and as the ice caps melt it disrupts the ocean flow which will cause a severe cooling. It is a fact that the earth is warming overall and that the ice caps are shrinking.
I think that yes we are trying to help the problem with lower immision cars, no CFCs and what not. I think we have the technology to make cars not run on gasoline or atleast little amount of gasoline, but imagine if tommorrow everyone drove cars that didn't need gasoline. Entire economical systems would crash. Think of how many employees would be out of jobs(Gas stations, Refineries, Drilling facilities...) if cars didn't use gasoline.
I'm sure I look like a fool now
but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

i agree about the cycle, just like when we were getting all those huricanes a couple years ago , people were saying its because of global warming but if u look back it actually happens every 40 years or so
 
garnet13aj

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Poop_heaD--the only thing that makes you look like a fool is your name (can't deny it!) but your argument is true and trying to counteract global warming is extremely complicated but there are economic opportunities to be had for those who act on them by creating products that can have positive impacts on our environment.
I will reiterate as so many people have that YES global warming is a natural cycle, but we as humans are augmenting the natural cycle and blowing it above and beyond anything that has been seen before and that is where the issue comes about counteracting global warming.
Also, if there wasn't going to be an economic impact to counteracting global warming then there wouldn't be a huge political dispute over it. That being said, just because it may cause negative impacts to human systems doesn't mean it isnt the right/smart/safe thing to do (unfortunately right and easy don't always go hand in hand).
 
beth

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
your saying humans contribute mostly to (global warming) do u have any idea how much methane is put into the air every year by trees?
20-30%. Nothing at all wrong with methane. We would not be here without it. But only in the correct proportions, not with our human contributions thrown into the equation.
The temperatures on other planets in this solar system is almost irrelevant, I believe. Mixing apples and oranges. The other planets never had much of a chance. They are not the right size, not just "so" far from the sun, none have the huge moon that we have, etc. We pretty much owe everything about this planet and the living things on it to our big moon.
 
nigerbang

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Global Warming is an intresting debate because both sides are sure they are right...We have records of history for about 300 years...of history of weather...In the '70s they said we were headed for another "Ice Age"...kinda funny that didnt pan out...I "think" the cycle theory might be the closest..Saying warming on other planets is irrevolent is crazy...It strikes me that they can be farther away but still increasing at the same rate we are...Lets all remember Science 101...Every year we are spinning closer and closer to the sun..That our orbit expands a little every year..maybe so does other orbits..Maybe all there is to global warming is that we are inching our way closer to the sun..I dont know..Just my thoughts..I honestly could care less...
 
reefreak29

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by NigerBang
Global Warming is an intresting debate because both sides are sure they are right...We have records of history for about 300 years...of history of weather...In the '70s they said we were headed for another "Ice Age"...kinda funny that didnt pan out...I "think" the cycle theory might be the closest..Saying warming on other planets is irrevolent is crazy...It strikes me that they can be farther away but still increasing at the same rate we are...Lets all remember Science 101...Every year we are spinning closer and closer to the sun..That our orbit expands a little every year..maybe so does other orbits..Maybe all there is to global warming is that we are inching our way closer to the sun..I dont know..Just my thoughts..I honestly could care less...
 
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