wow this thread has gone in so many directions , i dont even know where to begin. if i touched on every aspect of it i could be here all night, but then again i am staying late to get some OT so maybe i Should:
here are my 200 cents:
1) So far every refutation i have heard thus far, be it people on this board or the websites that supposedly put up 'good arguments against climate change' have been relying on quite few things. The big one that keeps coming back is that everything is cyclical and the earth has cooled and warmed before and its just merely happening again. Well a perfect example of this cycle, taken from the Refuting site TX Reef posted, is this graph showing CO2 concentrations for the last 400,000 years. most of you know Co2 is the single biggest concern for green house gasses and both sides of the fence agree that it's presence historically mirrors the world's temperature. In attempting to debunk this so -called myth, this site puts their virtual foot in their own mouth as the cold hard data depicts here:
yes, you see the nice sinuous wave pattern for 400,000 years of CO2 and temperatures waning and waxing. fast forward to year 2000, at the left most, current side of the scale, at the top of what appears to be the apex of another normal hot cycle, the staggering green line, sky rockets vertically ~100ppmv's. thats about a 135% increase, and the highest recorded concentration on this study by at least 70 ppmv's. eye opening to say the least.
The point is: yes, there has always been a cycle, however we have broken the cycle in the last 100 years of industry. Nobody but desperate politicians and the clergymen that they clamor to still hold on to the absurdity that this is not an accepted fact.
For those who say i dont know, wait it out and see: there are a million sayings in the english language that will preach to you about the ignorance of inaction and procrastination, you chose the one that fits you best.
for those who don't believe what science has to say because they were wrong about the earth being flat: You need to stop taking the word of a man in a robe as the word of god. Yes science has been wrong before, and it will continue to make errors. Consider this: Technology grows at exponential rates. If you drew it out on a graph, it wouldnt be a straight line, not even a very high rate-of-climb, but it would curve upwards to the cusp of infinity. That is a fact. With technologies making leaps and strides it empowers the scientific community with better and better tools to perform the tasks and calculations and tests with minimal error. With each passing year, the rate of error for prediction models and forecasts continue to deminish with impressive odds. This is at the root of it, math. Cold Hard numbers. If anything on this planet or universe is perfect, from atoms to constellations, it is math, the universal language. It has been called God's Language, which makes sense if you are religious, because then only two things are perfect, god and math.... unless god is math ? that is a different thread tho.
i forgot some of the other things i have seen that i wanted to touch on but some interesting things to note:
The internal combustion Engine, the machine that powers the average car, and runs by controlled explosions / ignitions of gasoline, has been obsolete for 60 years. Can you think of any other technology that is still widely used 60 years past its prime? I cant. The only painfully obvious reason IMO, is that Big Oil has been running this country since WWII. again that is probably for another thread.
But did you also know that cell technology has yielded a built and tested a Engine that produces power by harnessing the power released from the breaking down of H20 molecules. This means in lamens terms, in an engine that runs on water, and emitts Oxygen and Hydrogen. yeah.
while that technology might be still be in our future as kinks likely need to be worked out, their is Ethanol. A fuel for engines built very similar to ICE's that is derived from the Soy bean. Soy is (i believe) the second most common cultivated plant on the planet, next to rice. This fuel is worlds cleaner than gasoline for so many reasons. The Country of Brazil, RIGHT NOW has 50% of its gas-station converted to Ethanol, and next year they will have 100% Ethenol 'gas'. The country will be totally Oil independent and will have no reason to deal with any countries in the middle east save for trade like they might with any other country. If the US was totally Oil independent, there would be no troops in Iraq, would there?
Like i said, there are just too many facets to cover everything but if you seriously can sit there and say you don't believe that climate change is happening unnaturally due to human causes, then - i would like to see some facts to prove otherwise.
