What are YOUR thoughts...

[1journeyman]

It could be real....
The problem I see is that the scientific community routinely blows their credibility.
Remember 10 years ago when El Nino was an occurance every decade or so? Now it seems to happen about every other year, right after the newly found La Nina. How about the dire predictions of a horrific hurricane season this year? Then we have the hole in the ozone thing...
Scientists need to be scientists. Too many have forgotten what the scientific method is. In a quest to grab headlines and grants they get involved in politics and media hype.
As I said, it may be real... I haven't seen it though. The hottest summer I've ever lived through here in N. Texas was 1980. I dove the GBR 2 years ago in August and again this August. Same places... water temp was 2-3 degrees cooler (on mine and dive buddies computers)

 

[hot883]

Originally Posted by zman1
Maybe near history won't tell us cause and effect only symptom and effect.
I have always wondered what caused the Dust Bowl of the 30's...
Maybe, there isn't enough history played out yet, we'll have to wait a few hundred years to find out why the temps changed one colder other warmer.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...9dustbowl.html
The dust bowl evolved from the farmers overworking the soil, not rotating crops and bad weather (lack of rain). I live in Okla. I know.

 

[zman1]

The true cause of the drought. They can explain in theory the temperatures/patterns and how but not why. Other than the line from Joe Dirt, "it just does".

 

[garnet13aj]

1journeymanIt could be real....
The problem I see is that the scientific community routinely blows their credibility.
Remember 10 years ago when El Nino was an occurance every decade or so? Now it seems to happen about every other year, right after the newly found La Nina. How about the dire predictions of a horrific hurricane season this year? Then we have the hole in the ozone thing...
Scientists need to be scientists. Too many have forgotten what the scientific method is. In a quest to grab headlines and grants they get involved in politics and media hype.
I like what you've said here, the hype that a few scientists try to make does ruin the credibility of the the field of science as a whole sometimes as well as the subject of global warming, making it seem like the truth of global warming rests on one scientist's claim and if his/her claim turns out to be wrong some people take it to mean the entire concept/crisis is untrue.
Actually, within the scientific community there is virtually no disagreement about whether global warming exists and is human induced.
As I said, it may be real... I haven't seen it though. The hottest summer I've ever lived through here in N. Texas was 1980. I dove the GBR 2 years ago in August and again this August. Same places... water temp was 2-3 degrees cooler (on mine and dive buddies computers)
It's important to remember that it is global warming just because you don't see it happening in your town, city, state, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
This stat may be from 2004 or 2005 but it is still impressive: if you look at the 21 hottest years measured, 20 of the 21 have occurred within the last 25 years.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by garnet13aj
...It's important to remember that it is global warming just because you don't see it happening in your town, city, state, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
That, unfortunatey, is a two edged sword. just because you think you see it might not make it so...
The bulk of the scientific community believes the world is billions of years old (let's, for the sake of this conversation, agree with that).
We've been accurately testing temp for what, 150 years?
Any good scientist will admit a hundred year sample out of billions of years hardly qualifies as a proper sample size.

 

[saltn00b]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Any good scientist will admit a hundred year sample out of billions of years hardly qualifies as a proper sample size.
just because we have been recording temperature as it occurred for the last 150 years, does not mean we dont have ways to accurately measure (or educated guesstimate) what temperature once was. i am no scientist but some examples are looking at geologic rock layers you can tell when glaciers were covering certain areas. or drilling ice cores, etc etc

 

[garnet13aj]

That's what I was thinking as well, but I'm not sure how to they do that so I hadn't posted it yet. I was trying to find some information on it, instead of just a simulated graph showing temperatures before we could actually measure them.
I'm getting a bit lazy because I'm on Christmas break (no real excuse, I know). I'll see what I can find out about it.

 

[1journeyman]

There are ways of telling weather patterns in glacier rings, tree rings, etc.
I don't think they are precise enough to tell within a couple of degrees though. If they were I think we'd see some much greater science and less opinion and hype behind this. If you find something to the contray I'd like to read it.

 

[saltn00b]

well one method that is pretty much accepted across the board is CO2 presence mirroring Temp to within a few degrees. thats why i posted that graph up there. CO2 can be figured out very accurately.