darthtang aw
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At what performance lev el will I need to start looking at cat6 wiring install?
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bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375382
At what performance lev el will I need to start looking at cat6 wiring install?
For your house or business? Cat5 and Cat5e were designed to work primarily on 10Mbps and 100Mbps networks. It can handle 1Gbps transmissions, but you can get attenuation loss when you start reaching the max distance (100 meters). Cat6 was designed for gigabit networks, and is a must if you want to run 10G. For most people with home networks, Cat6 is overkill. Most Internet provider routers still only have 100Mbps Ethernet ports. You could put a 10Gig switch in your home, and connect all your PC's to it and transfer your files between each system at blazing speeds (if your PC has a 10G card in it as well). Providers are going away from copper and turning to fiber for their backbones. You can go miles with fiber, and get transmision sppeds of 10 - 40Gbps.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375382
At what performance lev el will I need to start looking at cat6 wiring install?
For your house or business? Cat5 and Cat5e were designed to work primarily on 10Mbps and 100Mbps networks. It can handle 1Gbps transmissions, but you can get attenuation loss when you start reaching the max distance (100 meters). Cat6 was designed for gigabit networks, and is a must if you want to run 10G. For most people with home networks, Cat6 is overkill. Most Internet provider routers still only have 100Mbps Ethernet ports. You could put a 10Gig switch in your home, and connect all your PC's to it and transfer your files between each system at blazing speeds (if your PC has a 10G card in it as well). Providers are going away from copper and turning to fiber for their backbones. You can go miles with fiber, and get transmision sppeds of 10 - 40Gbps.
scsinet
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375382
At what performance lev el will I need to start looking at cat6 wiring install?
As Bionic said... CAT5e is usually certified to 350Mhz, which will carry gigE ... usually. The end-game certification of an ethernet installation though is not just the wire, it's the terminations. Like I said earlier... in most cases, cable-related performance issues are the result of termination issues more than they are cabling. Mainly, the twist in the pairs has to be maintained up to the point of termination as much as possible.
When an inexperienced technician terminates a cable, , they might untwist 2-3 inches of each pair to make it easier to terminate. In the case of Cat5, that may run okay at 100Mb, and it might run okay at gigE with a line error here and there, but for the most part, will be okay. Ethernet has built in error correcting routines that ensure that regardless of the physical media, the data will always end up transferred correctly. However, as line errors build up, the errors and retries take up more and more bandwidth and time, which reduces performance.
Now, with Cat6, running anything faster than gig, forget it. If that connection is not terminated properly, the performance will be so bad you might as well not bother running it. The layout of the 4 pairs inside the cable is also important, so the cable is constructed almost with a solid core of plastic holding the pairs in the right orientation. This makes the cable large and stiff (get your mind out of the gutter..). The cable is expensive, terminating it is an exacting operation, and running it is a pain. IMO it won't be needed in homes for a long time.
IMO cat5e works fine for gigabit, especially in homes where runs are seldom very long, as long as it's properly terminated, which isn't difficult as long as you know what you are doing.
Cat6 is really only good for a few situations at this point...
- When 100.00% performance of the line is critical at gigabit speeds or faster.
- When anything faster than gigabit is used
- When the run is long.
Since the first and third point don't matter much for residential use, that only leaves the second. Outside the telecom world, 10G is hardly ever used to do anything other than link huge enterprise switches together. It's almost never used to tie directly to endpoints, generally because the ethernet speed is faster than most PCs or servers can shove data down the wire. Plus, currently 10G ethernet cards are over $2000 each and 10G switches are even more.
At work for instance, I use Cat6 only in the server room between my cabinets and the data center switch. Everything outside of that is Cat5e or fiber.
In homes, you'd be better served to run groups of Cat5e. Running two cables to each wall plate for example, always allows you to channel-group them if you really need more than 1Gb, which is unlikely.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375382
At what performance lev el will I need to start looking at cat6 wiring install?
As Bionic said... CAT5e is usually certified to 350Mhz, which will carry gigE ... usually. The end-game certification of an ethernet installation though is not just the wire, it's the terminations. Like I said earlier... in most cases, cable-related performance issues are the result of termination issues more than they are cabling. Mainly, the twist in the pairs has to be maintained up to the point of termination as much as possible.
When an inexperienced technician terminates a cable, , they might untwist 2-3 inches of each pair to make it easier to terminate. In the case of Cat5, that may run okay at 100Mb, and it might run okay at gigE with a line error here and there, but for the most part, will be okay. Ethernet has built in error correcting routines that ensure that regardless of the physical media, the data will always end up transferred correctly. However, as line errors build up, the errors and retries take up more and more bandwidth and time, which reduces performance.
Now, with Cat6, running anything faster than gig, forget it. If that connection is not terminated properly, the performance will be so bad you might as well not bother running it. The layout of the 4 pairs inside the cable is also important, so the cable is constructed almost with a solid core of plastic holding the pairs in the right orientation. This makes the cable large and stiff (get your mind out of the gutter..). The cable is expensive, terminating it is an exacting operation, and running it is a pain. IMO it won't be needed in homes for a long time.
IMO cat5e works fine for gigabit, especially in homes where runs are seldom very long, as long as it's properly terminated, which isn't difficult as long as you know what you are doing.
Cat6 is really only good for a few situations at this point...
- When 100.00% performance of the line is critical at gigabit speeds or faster.
- When anything faster than gigabit is used
- When the run is long.
Since the first and third point don't matter much for residential use, that only leaves the second. Outside the telecom world, 10G is hardly ever used to do anything other than link huge enterprise switches together. It's almost never used to tie directly to endpoints, generally because the ethernet speed is faster than most PCs or servers can shove data down the wire. Plus, currently 10G ethernet cards are over $2000 each and 10G switches are even more.
At work for instance, I use Cat6 only in the server room between my cabinets and the data center switch. Everything outside of that is Cat5e or fiber.
In homes, you'd be better served to run groups of Cat5e. Running two cables to each wall plate for example, always allows you to channel-group them if you really need more than 1Gb, which is unlikely.
darthtang aw
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Thanks guys, that makes sense.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by SCSInet http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375552
As Bionic said... CAT5e is usually certified to 350Mhz, which will carry gigE ... usually. The end-game certification of an ethernet installation though is not just the wire, it's the terminations. Like I said earlier... in most cases, cable-related performance issues are the result of termination issues more than they are cabling. Mainly, the twist in the pairs has to be maintained up to the point of termination as much as possible.
When an inexperienced technician terminates a cable, , they might untwist 2-3 inches of each pair to make it easier to terminate. In the case of Cat5, that may run okay at 100Mb, and it might run okay at gigE with a line error here and there, but for the most part, will be okay. Ethernet has built in error correcting routines that ensure that regardless of the physical media, the data will always end up transferred correctly. However, as line errors build up, the errors and retries take up more and more bandwidth and time, which reduces performance.
Now, with Cat6, running anything faster than gig, forget it. If that connection is not terminated properly, the performance will be so bad you might as well not bother running it. The layout of the 4 pairs inside the cable is also important, so the cable is constructed almost with a solid core of plastic holding the pairs in the right orientation. This makes the cable large and stiff (get your mind out of the gutter..). The cable is expensive, terminating it is an exacting operation, and running it is a pain. IMO it won't be needed in homes for a long time.
IMO cat5e works fine for gigabit, especially in homes where runs are seldom very long, as long as it's properly terminated, which isn't difficult as long as you know what you are doing.
Cat6 is really only good for a few situations at this point...
- When 100.00% performance of the line is critical at gigabit speeds or faster.
- When anything faster than gigabit is used
- When the run is long.
Since the first and third point don't matter much for residential use, that only leaves the second. Outside the telecom world, 10G is hardly ever used to do anything other than link huge enterprise switches together. It's almost never used to tie directly to endpoints, generally because the ethernet speed is faster than most PCs or servers can shove data down the wire. Plus, currently 10G ethernet cards are over $2000 each and 10G switches are even more.
At work for instance, I use Cat6 only in the server room between my cabinets and the data center switch. Everything outside of that is Cat5e or fiber.
In homes, you'd be better served to run groups of Cat5e. Running two cables to each wall plate for example, always allows you to channel-group them if you really need more than 1Gb, which is unlikely.
If I use Cat6 for internal runs, the only terminations I'm doing are to 110 blocks. For RJ45 connectors, I found these EZ-RJ45 connectors designed specifically for Cat5e & Cat6. You actually push the wires through the connector, then use their EZ-RJ45 crimp tool to cut the wire ends and crimp the connector at the same time --
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/89221.pdf
Originally Posted by SCSInet http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375552
As Bionic said... CAT5e is usually certified to 350Mhz, which will carry gigE ... usually. The end-game certification of an ethernet installation though is not just the wire, it's the terminations. Like I said earlier... in most cases, cable-related performance issues are the result of termination issues more than they are cabling. Mainly, the twist in the pairs has to be maintained up to the point of termination as much as possible.
When an inexperienced technician terminates a cable, , they might untwist 2-3 inches of each pair to make it easier to terminate. In the case of Cat5, that may run okay at 100Mb, and it might run okay at gigE with a line error here and there, but for the most part, will be okay. Ethernet has built in error correcting routines that ensure that regardless of the physical media, the data will always end up transferred correctly. However, as line errors build up, the errors and retries take up more and more bandwidth and time, which reduces performance.
Now, with Cat6, running anything faster than gig, forget it. If that connection is not terminated properly, the performance will be so bad you might as well not bother running it. The layout of the 4 pairs inside the cable is also important, so the cable is constructed almost with a solid core of plastic holding the pairs in the right orientation. This makes the cable large and stiff (get your mind out of the gutter..). The cable is expensive, terminating it is an exacting operation, and running it is a pain. IMO it won't be needed in homes for a long time.
IMO cat5e works fine for gigabit, especially in homes where runs are seldom very long, as long as it's properly terminated, which isn't difficult as long as you know what you are doing.
Cat6 is really only good for a few situations at this point...
- When 100.00% performance of the line is critical at gigabit speeds or faster.
- When anything faster than gigabit is used
- When the run is long.
Since the first and third point don't matter much for residential use, that only leaves the second. Outside the telecom world, 10G is hardly ever used to do anything other than link huge enterprise switches together. It's almost never used to tie directly to endpoints, generally because the ethernet speed is faster than most PCs or servers can shove data down the wire. Plus, currently 10G ethernet cards are over $2000 each and 10G switches are even more.
At work for instance, I use Cat6 only in the server room between my cabinets and the data center switch. Everything outside of that is Cat5e or fiber.
In homes, you'd be better served to run groups of Cat5e. Running two cables to each wall plate for example, always allows you to channel-group them if you really need more than 1Gb, which is unlikely.
If I use Cat6 for internal runs, the only terminations I'm doing are to 110 blocks. For RJ45 connectors, I found these EZ-RJ45 connectors designed specifically for Cat5e & Cat6. You actually push the wires through the connector, then use their EZ-RJ45 crimp tool to cut the wire ends and crimp the connector at the same time --
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/89221.pdf
meowzer
Moderator
Well.....the tech just left (for now).......he put a new filter on the box ...we are testing another modem.....he is going to the dsl "BOX" and doing a distance test, he said there is something he can put on it that will boost it (forget what he called it....a plane I think) If none of that works, he is going to have to do a line check from the box to the house......could take days....LOL...BUT he is gonna try everything
BTW....his test showed 2900 kbps
OH...I'm watching my game right now too
BTW....his test showed 2900 kbps
OH...I'm watching my game right now too
scsinet
Active Member
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375610
If I use Cat6 for internal runs, the only terminations I'm doing are to 110 blocks. For RJ45 connectors, I found these EZ-RJ45 connectors designed specifically for Cat5e & Cat6. You actually push the wires through the connector, then use their EZ-RJ45 crimp tool to cut the wire ends and crimp the connector at the same time --
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/89221.pdf
Shoot I was talking about 110 blocks as well. I don't even bother with RJ45 plugs.. I just use monoprice cables. I've run them to full speed on a certifier and they work flawlessly, and are dirt cheap.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375610
If I use Cat6 for internal runs, the only terminations I'm doing are to 110 blocks. For RJ45 connectors, I found these EZ-RJ45 connectors designed specifically for Cat5e & Cat6. You actually push the wires through the connector, then use their EZ-RJ45 crimp tool to cut the wire ends and crimp the connector at the same time --
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/89221.pdf
Shoot I was talking about 110 blocks as well. I don't even bother with RJ45 plugs.. I just use monoprice cables. I've run them to full speed on a certifier and they work flawlessly, and are dirt cheap.
meowzer
Moderator
Oh I forgot to update....the tech did what he could....changed a few settings, put in a more powerful modem/router, switched some ports at the office.....no help really
The #1 tech who set the whole system up was out today......the #2 tech will talk to him Monday to see if there is anything else to do.....There is a box that is 1 mile from me that the tech would love to run my line to...BUT....he needs company approval...then of course you have to do the job.....SO this will NOT be a quick fix
the tech that came out today told me that the company is close to maxed out on their bandwidth......they are also working on upgrading that....
He also said he will not stop looking until he finds a fix for me
The #1 tech who set the whole system up was out today......the #2 tech will talk to him Monday to see if there is anything else to do.....There is a box that is 1 mile from me that the tech would love to run my line to...BUT....he needs company approval...then of course you have to do the job.....SO this will NOT be a quick fix
the tech that came out today told me that the company is close to maxed out on their bandwidth......they are also working on upgrading that....
He also said he will not stop looking until he finds a fix for me
novahobbies
Well-Known Member
Could be better..... but I can watch netflix without any problems, so....
bionicarm
Active Member
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375717
Oh I forgot to update....the tech did what he could....changed a few settings, put in a more powerful modem/router, switched some ports at the office.....no help really
The #1 tech who set the whole system up was out today......the #2 tech will talk to him Monday to see if there is anything else to do.....There is a box that is 1 mile from me that the tech would love to run my line to...BUT....he needs company approval...then of course you have to do the job.....SO this will NOT be a quick fix
the tech that came out today told me that the company is close to maxed out on their bandwidth......they are also working on upgrading that....
He also said he will not stop looking until he finds a fix for me
Sounds to me that when they did your initial installation, the closest "box' that was aailable to your home is obviously further than a mile, and if that line is running on copper, you're probably hitting close to the distance limit. Add that to this statement that your provider's main network bandwidth is "almost maxed out", I can see why your getting the crappy responses you get. Guess that's the price you pay for the freedom of living in the "wide open spaces". You could always move into the "big city", and get those great 10Mpbs speeds everyone else is getting.
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375717
Oh I forgot to update....the tech did what he could....changed a few settings, put in a more powerful modem/router, switched some ports at the office.....no help really
The #1 tech who set the whole system up was out today......the #2 tech will talk to him Monday to see if there is anything else to do.....There is a box that is 1 mile from me that the tech would love to run my line to...BUT....he needs company approval...then of course you have to do the job.....SO this will NOT be a quick fix
the tech that came out today told me that the company is close to maxed out on their bandwidth......they are also working on upgrading that....
He also said he will not stop looking until he finds a fix for me
Sounds to me that when they did your initial installation, the closest "box' that was aailable to your home is obviously further than a mile, and if that line is running on copper, you're probably hitting close to the distance limit. Add that to this statement that your provider's main network bandwidth is "almost maxed out", I can see why your getting the crappy responses you get. Guess that's the price you pay for the freedom of living in the "wide open spaces". You could always move into the "big city", and get those great 10Mpbs speeds everyone else is getting.
flower
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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375765
Could be better..... but I can watch netflix without any problems, so....
My Fiber optic whatever from Uverse was sold in packages of 6, 12 and 18 I went with the 12. My speed however was not 12. When I complained to Uverse I was told that if I were streaming movies and at the same time on the internet the 12 would be divided between the two, and if I was recording and I was on my computer and Mother happen to be on hers the sppeed is diviided 3 ways with the TV being #1 to get what it needs to stream.
My internet was as slow as dial up when 3 things were going at once, which was often. I switched to wireless Clear that came with DirectTV and my internet smokes and so does my mom's, and the Netflix is now on my big screen...life is good again. I hated Uverse they can keep it. I got a Blue ray with netflix ready software, and DirectTV is $30.00 cheaper too...I have to have the HD package or my TV is no good or it would be even cheaper.
Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375765
Could be better..... but I can watch netflix without any problems, so....
My Fiber optic whatever from Uverse was sold in packages of 6, 12 and 18 I went with the 12. My speed however was not 12. When I complained to Uverse I was told that if I were streaming movies and at the same time on the internet the 12 would be divided between the two, and if I was recording and I was on my computer and Mother happen to be on hers the sppeed is diviided 3 ways with the TV being #1 to get what it needs to stream.
My internet was as slow as dial up when 3 things were going at once, which was often. I switched to wireless Clear that came with DirectTV and my internet smokes and so does my mom's, and the Netflix is now on my big screen...life is good again. I hated Uverse they can keep it. I got a Blue ray with netflix ready software, and DirectTV is $30.00 cheaper too...I have to have the HD package or my TV is no good or it would be even cheaper.
meowzer
Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375769
Sounds to me that when they did your initial installation, the closest "box' that was aailable to your home is obviously further than a mile, and if that line is running on copper, you're probably hitting close to the distance limit. Add that to this statement that your provider's main network bandwidth is "almost maxed out", I can see why your getting the crappy responses you get. Guess that's the price you pay for the freedom of living in the "wide open spaces". You could always move into the "big city", and get those great 10Mpbs speeds everyone else is getting.
LOL...NEVER....The good thing is they are working on it.....A lot of people in the country still have dial-up....or some sort of satellite
I prefer what I have...I get most stuff...even if it is cloudy LOL
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375769
Sounds to me that when they did your initial installation, the closest "box' that was aailable to your home is obviously further than a mile, and if that line is running on copper, you're probably hitting close to the distance limit. Add that to this statement that your provider's main network bandwidth is "almost maxed out", I can see why your getting the crappy responses you get. Guess that's the price you pay for the freedom of living in the "wide open spaces". You could always move into the "big city", and get those great 10Mpbs speeds everyone else is getting.
LOL...NEVER....The good thing is they are working on it.....A lot of people in the country still have dial-up....or some sort of satellite
I prefer what I have...I get most stuff...even if it is cloudy LOL
bionicarm
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375771
My Fiber optic whatever from Uverse was sold in packages of 6, 12 and 18 I went with the 12. My speed however was not 12. When I complained to Uverse I was told that if I were streaming movies and at the same time on the internet the 12 would be divided between the two, and if I was recording and I was on my computer and Mother happen to be on hers the sppeed is diviided 3 ways with the TV being #1 to get what it needs to stream.
My internet was as slow as dial up when 3 things were going at once, which was often. I switched to wireless Clear that came with DirectTV and my internet smokes and so does my mom's, and the Netflix is now on my big screen...life is good again. I hated Uverse they can keep it. I got a Blue ray with netflix ready software, and DirectTV is $30.00 cheaper too...I have to have the HD package or my TV is no good or it would be even cheaper.
I used to have Dish Netwrk a few years back, protesting against the evil Time Warner. Unfortunately, this was before the big 'HD TV' wave, and if you wanted HD channels, you had to have a separate dish. The biggest problem I had with satellite was that anytime there was a major thunderstorm, you could forget about getting a TV signal. I also had a problem with the 'line of site' requirements with the dish. When I got Dish TV, it was in the winter. I mounted my dish off the back of my deck, an pointed it in the proper direction. Got an excellent signal and was pretty happy with the unit. Spring came around, and I started getting real bad reception. Couldn't figure it out until a friend of mine who did satellite installations came over and showed me the problem. My neighbor has this 50 foot Oak tree in his backyard, and the direction my dish was pointing was directly at the tree. I didn't have the signal problem in the winter because there were no leaves on the tree. As soon as the tree spouted it's leaves, there was enough 'interference' to block my signal...
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/385000/whats-your-speed/60#post_3375771
My Fiber optic whatever from Uverse was sold in packages of 6, 12 and 18 I went with the 12. My speed however was not 12. When I complained to Uverse I was told that if I were streaming movies and at the same time on the internet the 12 would be divided between the two, and if I was recording and I was on my computer and Mother happen to be on hers the sppeed is diviided 3 ways with the TV being #1 to get what it needs to stream.
My internet was as slow as dial up when 3 things were going at once, which was often. I switched to wireless Clear that came with DirectTV and my internet smokes and so does my mom's, and the Netflix is now on my big screen...life is good again. I hated Uverse they can keep it. I got a Blue ray with netflix ready software, and DirectTV is $30.00 cheaper too...I have to have the HD package or my TV is no good or it would be even cheaper.
I used to have Dish Netwrk a few years back, protesting against the evil Time Warner. Unfortunately, this was before the big 'HD TV' wave, and if you wanted HD channels, you had to have a separate dish. The biggest problem I had with satellite was that anytime there was a major thunderstorm, you could forget about getting a TV signal. I also had a problem with the 'line of site' requirements with the dish. When I got Dish TV, it was in the winter. I mounted my dish off the back of my deck, an pointed it in the proper direction. Got an excellent signal and was pretty happy with the unit. Spring came around, and I started getting real bad reception. Couldn't figure it out until a friend of mine who did satellite installations came over and showed me the problem. My neighbor has this 50 foot Oak tree in his backyard, and the direction my dish was pointing was directly at the tree. I didn't have the signal problem in the winter because there were no leaves on the tree. As soon as the tree spouted it's leaves, there was enough 'interference' to block my signal...