Would You Hire a Vocal Atheist?

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jmick
According to Matthew 5.22 anger is a sin...
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
ITS NOT ANGER THATS A SIN ITS ACTING ON THAT ANGER THAT IS A SIN
U HAVE TO KNOW ALSO THIS WAS TAKING PLACE IN OLD TESTEMENT BEFORE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR US

 

[jmick]

The bible is constantly contradicting it's self and it is a mishmash of different scripts (with a lot of pagan influence) and writings that were generated to help cow the masses into one homogeneous group. Look at the wealth and power it has had at its disposal the last 1000 years. Thankfully, as we continue to become educated religion is losing it’s significance.

 

[phixer]

Thats true... the bible was written by men. Which is why I pray a lot. Maybe Im nuts, I might be wrong, most in my field are aethiests... the gap between God and man will continue to get bigger. Cant speak for anyone else, but for me one thing is certain. I dont worry like I used too.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jmick
The bible is constantly contradicting it's self and it is a mishmash of different scripts (with a lot of pagan influence) and writings that were generated to help cow the masses into one homogeneous group. Look at the wealth and power it has had at its disposal the last 1000 years. Thankfully, as we continue to become educated religion is losing it’s significance.
I BELIEVE U FEEL THIS WAY BECAUSE U DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MESSAGES ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, SO IT MAY SEEM THAT TO U IT CONTRADICS ITSELF, BUT THATS VERY FAR FROM THE TRUTH, AND SAYING THE BIBLE BECOMES LESS SUGNIFICANT AS ARE RACE GETS SMARTER
IS REALLY DEMEANING GOD, WHO CREATED US, BUT ITS INTERESTING THAT U SAY THAT I WOULD INCUORAGE U TO READ AND STUDY THE BIBLE U MAY FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING AND THE MORE U READ THE BETTER U UNDERSTAND

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Phixer
Thats true... the bible was written by men. Which is why I pray a lot. Maybe Im nuts, I might be wrong, most in my field are aethiests... the gap between God and man will continue to get bigger. Cant speak for anyone else but for me one thing is certain. I dont worry like I used too.
THE BIBLE WAS WRITIN BY MAN BUT MAN WAS TOLD WHAT TO WRITE BY GOD

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
THE BIBLE WAS WRITIN BY MAN BUT MAN WAS TOLD WHAT TO WRITE BY GOD
Well then why didn't god have it written at the same time by the same person? Did it sidetracked?

 

[garnet13aj]

I never understood that. Is the old testament not as legit, just because it happened before jesus came about? What happened to all the stoning and incestuous activities? Those are out now?

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Well then why didn't god have it written at the same time by the same person? Did it sidetracked?
NO IT WAS WRITTEN TO BE USED AS A TOOL WHEN GENUSIS WAS WRITTEN IN 1400 BC MATHEW HAVENT HAPPENED YET

 

[jmick]

On top of that, there isn't any real evidence that Jesus actually existed. Someone of his stature who was drawing such large crowds and was the ire of the Jews and the Romans wouldn't have had anything written about him (when writing was common) until the Gospel of Mark which by the churches own admission was 40 years later.

 

[phixer]

I doubt you will find suitable answers this way.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Jmick
On top of that, there isn't any real evidence that Jesus actually existed. Someone of his stature who was drawing such large crowds and was the ire of the Jews and the Romans wouldn't have had anything written about him (when writing was common) until the Gospel of Mark which by the churches own admission was 40 years later.
JMICK I DONT CLAIM TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARGUING THIS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, ALL I CAN SAY IS WE HAD TO OF COME FROM SOMETHING BECAUSE U CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING FROM NOTHING , I LIKE TO USE THE ANALOGY OF PUTTING ALL THE PIECES OF A CLOCK INTO A BOX AND EVERY DAY U SHAKE THAT BOX , SOMEDAY IT WILL BECOME A CLOCK , NOW FILL THAT BOX WITH NOTHING AND SHAKE IT EVERYDAY AND U WILL ALWAYS HAVE NOTHING
ITS 1040 IN GENEVA RIGHT NOW I DONT KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS IN CAROL STREAM(Jk)BUT I NEED TO GET TO BED , I LIVE 20 MIN AWAY I WOULD BE MORE THEN HAPPY TO TAKE U TO CHURCH WITH ME
ANOTHER THING EVEN IF NONE OF THIS WAS TRUE ITS ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE HOPE AND IF IT IS TRUE WOULD U WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE OF SPENDING AN ETERNITY IN HELL BECAUSE U JUST WOULDNT EXCEPT GOD

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by Phixer
I doubt you will find suitable answers this way.
CURIOUS AS TO WHAT U MEEN

 

[garnet13aj]

hey, reefreak, would you mind not writing in all caps, it's hard to read. Thanks

 

[phixer]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
CURIOUS AS TO WHAT U MEEN
I mean, how can one give an analytical answer for a faith based question? The question of God can only be satisfactorily answered by the individual asking.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by garnet13aj
I never understood that. Is the old testament not as legit, just because it happened before jesus came about? What happened to all the stoning and incestuous activities? Those are out now?
WELL THINGS DID CHANGE WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR ARE SINS UNTIL THIS TIME A COMPLICATED SYSTEM OF SACRIFICES HAD ATONED FOR SINS. SIN IS SEPERATES PEOPLE FROM GOD, AND ONLY THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF AN ANIMAL COULD PEOPLE BE FORGIVIN AND BECOME CLEAN BEFORE GOD. BUT PEOPLE SIN CONTINUALLY, SO FREQUENT SACRIFICES WERE REQUIRED. JESUS HOWEVER BECAME THE FINAL AND ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR SIN , TO PAY THE FULL PENALTY FOR ARE SINS WITH HIS DEATH THE SACRIFICIAL SACRIFICE HAD ENDED AND NOW WE WERE ABLRE TO APPROUCH GOD BECAUSE WHAT JESUS DID FOR US

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by garnet13aj
hey, reefreak, would you mind not writing in all caps, it's hard to read. Thanks
sorry i didnt even notice, i do want u guys to understand that i do not think i am better then everyone else or have a snobby attitude because of what i beleive , i really think this is a really important topic if it can remain civil, and so far it has been hopefully no one is getting ofended

 

[garnet13aj]

No, I appreciate the attitude that you and most everyone has brought to the table. This is very similar to the discussions we have at our club meetings. I think it's interesting. I love a healthy debate.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by garnet13aj
No, I appreciate the attitude that you and most everyone has brought to the table. This is very similar to the discussions we have at our club meetings. I think it's interesting. I love a healthy debate.
so am i giving u any insight

 

[garnet13aj]

I find some of what you say interesting and some of it I haven't heard before, but I can't find anything that proves that the bible is the legitimate word of god, so quotes from it don't make me believe in him. I do think that some of them can provide good insight into they way one should live their life. There was a quote a while back on this thread that I think Bang Guy posted that I really liked. I'm starting to babble, but what I'm trying to say is that I see the bible as a compact form of thoughts on how one should live there life to get the most out of it, rather than unquestionable truth about god's existence. I do plan to read it one day, so at least I know what's in there, but I am perfectly happy the way I lead my life and couldn't imagine it any other way. I love the adventure of knowing I'm in control of my life as far the decisions I make day to day and it gives me comfort to know that my lifestyle is something I have decided upon myself and is not based on someone else's perception of how I should behave.

 

[hagfish]

Originally Posted by Jmick
So a christian can bomb an abortion clinic and kill people and repent and go to heaven and another person can go through life doing good deeds and loving everyone that they come in contact with and still go to hell because they do not believe in god? YOu don't see a fundemental flaw here?
this has always made me laugh to...
You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
Again, just because a person call themselves a Christian doesn't mean it is true. It's not hard to become a member of a Christian church. Ideally, those members truely are Christians. But there is no way to know for sure. But either way, if the person repented of their sins they would be forgiven. Just like if an atheist burned down a church (don't act like this doesn't happen). If they repented and believed in Jesus they would be saved.
Everybody sins whether they realize it or not. People too often think of sin as anything that defies the 10 commandments. There are a lot more than that. But if a person is an atheist, then there can really be no argument that they are sinning based on the Bible. Think of it as obeying your parents. You can totally disobey your parents and still be a good person outside of that relationship. But if they are good parents, they are going to punish you for disobeying them.