Would You Hire a Vocal Atheist?

garnet13aj

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[/QUOTE]I thought of 4 people I know within about 30 seconds that didn't have --- until marriage because they were Christians. I'm sure there are plenty more in our church and I just don't know about it, it's not really a subject that comes up often. There actually are people out there who follow this command. And it's probably more than you think. If you don't hang around those crowds, you probably would think it's 0% of the population.
FYI, I'm a virgin, so you can stop acusing me of hanging out w/the wrong crowd. I was speaking generally of people in Africa and the AIDS/STD epidemic there. Education about contraception would greatly increase their quality of life. And even here, --- ed will greatly decrease the amount of STD's and unwanted pregnancies in our country. Just because a certain part of the population waits doesn't mean the rest deserve STDs.
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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
I've seen evolution occur. Bacteria replicate at a fast enough rate that it is possible.
because evolution happens at an extremely slow rate.
I believe these are conflicting statements
You are right, I didn't specify. Evolution in bacteria is fast because they replicated quickly. Evolution in animals is slow because we replicate slowly. It takes thousands upon thousands of years to go through as many generations as it takes bacteria to go through in a few weeks.
You are contradicting yourself. You are saying this...
1. People in Africa don't follow the ideas of the Bible
2. The Pope is at fault for preventing knowledge of Condoms to people in Africa.
If the pope encouraged the Catholics missionaries to teach contraception when waiting for marriage wasn't going to happen, there wouldn't be as high a rate of STD's and AIDS. Why openly preaching that --- before marriage is wrong and also contraceptives are wrong. They can ignore the first statement, but they don't have any knoweledge of the second statement. Sam Harris explains it much better than I do, I'll try to find how he explains it and get back to you.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
your already a step in the right direction
So, You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
 

garnet13aj

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There is strong evidence to suggest micro-evolution exists. But not so much in the area of macro-evolution
The concept is the same though. A change in allele frequencies in a population over time. It's as simple as that. How do you deny that the characteristics in a population change over time.
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Jmick
So, You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
i believe if youve not accepted jesus christ as your personal savior then yes u wil spend an eternity in hell, and god is a loving god but also a vengful god, to people whos hearts have become hardened, and dont eccept him
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
your already a step in the right direction
So, You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
i believe if youve not accepted jesus christ as your personal savior then yes u wil spend an eternity in hell, and god is a loving god but also a vengful god, to people whos hearts have become hardened, and dont eccept him
I guess some idiot who rolls on the ground and speaks in tongues is bound for heaven while the rest of us non believing heathens are bound for hell.
How can god be loveful and vengeful? Wouldn't you think if it actually existed it'd judge a person based on the life they lived and not what he worshipped/or didn't?
 

garnet13aj

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Out of curiosity, how do people come to the conclusion that of all the religions out there, the one they belong to is the one true religion and the others are false?
Along with that, how many people who belong to a religion have seriously
investigated a religion other than their own?
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
i believe if youve not accepted jesus christ as your personal savior then yes u wil spend an eternity in hell, and god is a loving god but also a vengful god, to people whos hearts have become hardened, and dont eccept him
Jmik, all religions around the world are mutually exclusive in this way...
Argumentum ad baculum
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
Out of curiosity, how do people come to the conclusion that of all the religions out there, the one they belong to is the one true religion and the others are false?
Along with that, how many people who belong to a religion have seriously
investigated a religion other than their own?
like i said christianity is not a religion
religion is a false sense of security and man made rules and regulations
 

garnet13aj

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all religions around the world are mutually exclusive in this way..
That is one of many issues I have w/religion. It doesn't top the list, but it seems awful to me that someone who has never encountered religion should be damned for eternity along w/all the extremely pious people of other faiths that aren't the true faith...and why not throw myself in there. I've never heard a convincing arguement for the existence of God, why should I be punnished if there is no proof behind the facts. But I'm more concerned w/the other people in comparison to myself. At least they have the faith or were never exposed to it.
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Jmick
I guess some idiot who rolls on the ground and speaks in tongues is bound for heaven while the rest of us non believing heathens are bound for hell.your taking it the wrong way
How can god be loveful and vengeful? Wouldn't you think if it actually existed it'd judge a person based on the life they lived and not what he worshipped/or didn't?
"it" will judge a person basedon the life he lived
a person cannot go to heaven on good works alone
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
reefreak, would you mind elaborating? I don't understand what you are saying.
elaborate on wich part?
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
"it" will judge a person basedon the life he lived
a person cannot go to heaven on good works alone
So a christian can bomb an abortion clinic and kill people and repent and go to heaven and another person can go through life doing good deeds and loving everyone that they come in contact with and still go to hell because they do not believe in god? YOu don't see a fundemental flaw here?
this has always made me laugh to...
You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
 

garnet13aj

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like i said christianity is not a religion
religion is a false sense of security and man made rules and regulations
What is christianity if it is not a religion.
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Jmick
So a christian can bomb an abortion clinic and kill people and repent and go to heaven and another person can go through life doing good deeds and loving everyone that they come in contact with and still go to hell because they do not believe in god? YOu don't see a fundemental flaw here?
this has always made me laugh to...
You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
why are u saying u as if i sum up the whole christian population
anyway all sins can be forgivin, the holy spirit never slept with mary?
she was givin a special opertunity to carry the son of god who is god
so he could die on the cross to wash are sins away(confused yet)
it is very complicating and human inteligance can not explain everyyhing god has planned, why he did things the way he did and so on
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by garnet13aj
What is christianity if it is not a religion.
its a belief based on faith
gotta put my kid to bed
 

hagfish

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Originally Posted by Jmick
So, You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
Hell is defined in the Bible as seperation from God. And when you think of it that way you see that God is actually being generous and loving to all of us by allowing to choose whether or not we want an eternity with Him. Now, it also explains hell as torture and so on. Both are true. A place with no God is a place where evil will run rampant and hence the time spent there will be difficult. Now, if you chose not to love and obey God in your life time, why would you want to spend eternity with Him? God allows you to choose not to. You might ask, why doesn't he just obliterate me from existence? Well, who's to say that not existing is better than hell?
We are not in a competition to become the most loving or tolerant religion. Tolerance in general really isn't even that biblical. But love is very biblical. And we are commanded to love the Lord our God with all of our strength, spirit, mind, and soul. And to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
why are u saying u as if i sum up the whole christian population
anyway all sins can be forgivin, the holy spirit never slept with mary?
she was givin a special opertunity to carry the son of god who is god
so he could die on the cross to wash are sins away(confused yet)
it is very complicating and human inteligance can not explain everyyhing god has planned, why he did things the way he did and so on
I have a lot of christain friends (the typical kind that go to church once a year) and they certainly don't share your beliefs. So if god has things planned then why aren't we all christians, why is there war, famine, murder, genocide, brutality, corruption? Also, why would god create man in his image..sounds terribly vain and something man would like to hear or say...
 
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