Would You Hire a Vocal Atheist?
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fbm
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I don't care who believes what, as long as we can still get along. It is when people think that people are wrong for believing what they believe that there is trouble. You don't see athiests running around the world blowing ---- up because of there non-beliefs do you? And no religion is non violent, they may preach peace and forgiveness but show me a religion where there has never been a war over?
watson3
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Originally Posted by fbm
Just did a search on google on buddhism, found where buddist were part of conflicts and caused conflicts. I am sure I can find the same for the other 2 as well.
Hence the question marks I included..Was not sure..THerefore did not make a statement..Anyways, no..THe questions was would you hire someone who was vocal about their beliefs
Just did a search on google on buddhism, found where buddist were part of conflicts and caused conflicts. I am sure I can find the same for the other 2 as well.
Hence the question marks I included..Was not sure..THerefore did not make a statement..Anyways, no..THe questions was would you hire someone who was vocal about their beliefs
1journeyman
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You know, the "religions cause wars" thing gets thrown around a lot.
That's fine and true. Let's not forget, however, the tremendous good the "church" has done over the past 2,000 years.
That's fine and true. Let's not forget, however, the tremendous good the "church" has done over the past 2,000 years.
hagfish
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Originally Posted by fbm
You don't see athiests running around the world blowing ---- up because of there non-beliefs do you? And no religion is non violent, they may preach peace and forgiveness but show me a religion where there has never been a war over?
As I said earlier, for every wrong you can find a religious person doing I can find at least one wrong a non-religious person has done.
You speak as if athiests are non-violent. This is simply not true.
PEOPLE, are often violent. PEOPLE make mistakes. PEOPLE are sinful. If the people that do these things happen to have some kind of belief system, then it gets dragged through the mud as a result. On the flip side of the coin, the Stalin's and Hitlers of the world don't exactly shed a good light on non-believers either. I mean Hitler wanted to wipe out a race of people because he thought his race was better than them.
You don't see athiests running around the world blowing ---- up because of there non-beliefs do you? And no religion is non violent, they may preach peace and forgiveness but show me a religion where there has never been a war over?
As I said earlier, for every wrong you can find a religious person doing I can find at least one wrong a non-religious person has done.
You speak as if athiests are non-violent. This is simply not true.
PEOPLE, are often violent. PEOPLE make mistakes. PEOPLE are sinful. If the people that do these things happen to have some kind of belief system, then it gets dragged through the mud as a result. On the flip side of the coin, the Stalin's and Hitlers of the world don't exactly shed a good light on non-believers either. I mean Hitler wanted to wipe out a race of people because he thought his race was better than them.
fbm
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Originally Posted by hagfish
As I said earlier, for every wrong you can find a religious person doing I can find at least one wrong a non-religious person has done.
You speak as if athiests are non-violent. This is simply not true.
PEOPLE, are often violent. PEOPLE make mistakes. PEOPLE are sinful. If the people that do these things happen to have some kind of belief system, then it gets dragged through the mud as a result. On the flip side of the coin, the Stalin's and Hitlers of the world don't exactly shed a good light on non-believers either. I mean Hitler wanted to wipe out a race of people because he thought his race was better than them.
Documented fact: Hitler was a catholic.
But I agree with you. But athiests fight on the street not the world.
As I said earlier, for every wrong you can find a religious person doing I can find at least one wrong a non-religious person has done.
You speak as if athiests are non-violent. This is simply not true.
PEOPLE, are often violent. PEOPLE make mistakes. PEOPLE are sinful. If the people that do these things happen to have some kind of belief system, then it gets dragged through the mud as a result. On the flip side of the coin, the Stalin's and Hitlers of the world don't exactly shed a good light on non-believers either. I mean Hitler wanted to wipe out a race of people because he thought his race was better than them.
Documented fact: Hitler was a catholic.
But I agree with you. But athiests fight on the street not the world.
petieaztec
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just as long as they kept it to themsleves... and i didnt have to hear about it.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by fbm
Documented fact: Hitler was a catholic....
Ok, that's just silly.
If I go around claiming I'm an Elf does that make it true? Hitler's parents may have been Catholic, Hitler may have attended mass, heck he could have trained to be a bishop. That doesn't make him a "Catholic".
"But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do."
Religion is more than checking a box, giving money, or sitting on a pew.
Documented fact: Hitler was a catholic....
Ok, that's just silly.
If I go around claiming I'm an Elf does that make it true? Hitler's parents may have been Catholic, Hitler may have attended mass, heck he could have trained to be a bishop. That doesn't make him a "Catholic".
"But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do."
Religion is more than checking a box, giving money, or sitting on a pew.
jmick
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I thought I might chime in on this. I am agnostic; I neither accept or reject the existence of god or a higher power. I treat all people the same and give everyone the benefit of the doubt regardless or race, religion or sexual orientation. That said, I have found many times that people who are very religious tend to be judgmental and more often then not want to convert you and push their faith done your throat. Just look what missionaries have done to native cultures in the Americas, Asia and Africa. They’d often separate children from parents in order to severe ties with their past and culture in order to make more Christians. Also, how many people in South America and Africa have caught STDs from fear of using condoms because the Pope has held such hard line against? How many wars have been started in the name of religion? The annihilation of American Indians from the 15th to the 19th century, which resulted in at least 20 million deaths, was at the hands of Christians.
Well, I might actually hire a vocal atheist over a hard core Christian who feels that you aren’t as good as they are because you don’t follow the same belief system. Look at the comments that Watson has made, he is a perfect example.
Well, I might actually hire a vocal atheist over a hard core Christian who feels that you aren’t as good as they are because you don’t follow the same belief system. Look at the comments that Watson has made, he is a perfect example.
jmick
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ok, that's just silly.
If I go around claiming I'm an Elf does that make it true? Hitler's parents may have been Catholic, Hitler may have attended mass, heck he could have trained to be a bishop. That doesn't make him a "Catholic".
"But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do."
Religion is more than checking a box, giving money, or sitting on a pew.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Ok, that's just silly.
If I go around claiming I'm an Elf does that make it true? Hitler's parents may have been Catholic, Hitler may have attended mass, heck he could have trained to be a bishop. That doesn't make him a "Catholic".
"But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do."
Religion is more than checking a box, giving money, or sitting on a pew.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Jmick
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Thus proving my point. If this quote is accurate Hitler was clueless as to what Jesus taught.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Thus proving my point. If this quote is accurate Hitler was clueless as to what Jesus taught.