Yes, YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD! lol
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oscardeuce
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2708024
A black man can be President in the USA.... My hope, however, is that a Socialist cannot.
Well said!
Like MLK said its the content of character, not the color of the skin.
Then again the "post-racial" candidate keeps reminding us he does not look like the other Presidents on the bills. Why remind us? We are not blind, nor are we ignorant to his socialist, Constitution breaking plans.
I believe strongly in what MLK died for, a true colorblind American society, a great "melting pot" where we all are Americans first not "-Americans". We all speak English, but hold our native tongues dear. We participate in American culture, while adding a bit of our personality to the mix.
Come to my country from anywhere in the world, but please expect to "melt in", not the other way around.
http:///forum/post/2708024
A black man can be President in the USA.... My hope, however, is that a Socialist cannot.
Well said!
Like MLK said its the content of character, not the color of the skin.
Then again the "post-racial" candidate keeps reminding us he does not look like the other Presidents on the bills. Why remind us? We are not blind, nor are we ignorant to his socialist, Constitution breaking plans.
I believe strongly in what MLK died for, a true colorblind American society, a great "melting pot" where we all are Americans first not "-Americans". We all speak English, but hold our native tongues dear. We participate in American culture, while adding a bit of our personality to the mix.
Come to my country from anywhere in the world, but please expect to "melt in", not the other way around.
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2706923
Oh, you must be referring to mccains ingenious plan to drill off-shore. You know, the one where we pollute the ocean for a drop in gas prices that won't happen until 2020.
This of course is a very inaccurate statement. If it is inacted into law then you will see impacts in 5-6 years.
However, this is the OBAMA alternative. Fill your tank with Ethanol. You know, from companies I have stock options with. Your car will pollute more and have less efficient, so you have to fill up your tank more often, but what do I care, I'll get rich off corn procedes.
In other words, we HAVE no choice but to get oil we need. Either we keep the trillions of dollars for energy in our economy, OR we give it to whacko shieks that want to blow us up anyway. Or how about Putin?
There you have it. The great debate.
The alternatives are there, but in the mean time you have to have butter for your bread. Most alternatives are at LEAST 10 years out. Can we afford to send 10 years worth of energy costs out of this country?
Of course you realize "Flipper" (changes his mind faster than lighting) changed his position again!
http:///forum/post/2706923
Oh, you must be referring to mccains ingenious plan to drill off-shore. You know, the one where we pollute the ocean for a drop in gas prices that won't happen until 2020.
This of course is a very inaccurate statement. If it is inacted into law then you will see impacts in 5-6 years.
However, this is the OBAMA alternative. Fill your tank with Ethanol. You know, from companies I have stock options with. Your car will pollute more and have less efficient, so you have to fill up your tank more often, but what do I care, I'll get rich off corn procedes.
In other words, we HAVE no choice but to get oil we need. Either we keep the trillions of dollars for energy in our economy, OR we give it to whacko shieks that want to blow us up anyway. Or how about Putin?
There you have it. The great debate.
The alternatives are there, but in the mean time you have to have butter for your bread. Most alternatives are at LEAST 10 years out. Can we afford to send 10 years worth of energy costs out of this country?
Of course you realize "Flipper" (changes his mind faster than lighting) changed his position again!
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2707035
It is predicted it would take 10 years for ANWAR production to hit the markets. Had that boob Clinton not vetoed the bill that would be on our markets lowering prices now.
Democrats are calling on Bush to release a third of the petroleum reserves to the market now to lower gas prices. How is increasing production any different? And according to the people who do the offshore drilling work, additional production would come on line as soon as a year and the most remote sites could take as long as six years
And for the record the largest source of oil spilled in the ocean is from natural seeps (62%). Oil production tends to lessen those.
http://www.cnie.org/NLE/CRSreports/06Nov/RL33705.pdf
Page 34
WHILST, it may not have impacted prices....at least the cash would be in the coffers of the AMERICAN ECONOMY, instead of building a nonsense cathedral of doomed capitalism in the deserts of Dubia. AKA the world's new largest building to be built.
Drill now, keep the dollar here and stronger. Why do you think the looney has so much value now?
http:///forum/post/2707035
It is predicted it would take 10 years for ANWAR production to hit the markets. Had that boob Clinton not vetoed the bill that would be on our markets lowering prices now.
Democrats are calling on Bush to release a third of the petroleum reserves to the market now to lower gas prices. How is increasing production any different? And according to the people who do the offshore drilling work, additional production would come on line as soon as a year and the most remote sites could take as long as six years
And for the record the largest source of oil spilled in the ocean is from natural seeps (62%). Oil production tends to lessen those.
http://www.cnie.org/NLE/CRSreports/06Nov/RL33705.pdf
Page 34
WHILST, it may not have impacted prices....at least the cash would be in the coffers of the AMERICAN ECONOMY, instead of building a nonsense cathedral of doomed capitalism in the deserts of Dubia. AKA the world's new largest building to be built.
Drill now, keep the dollar here and stronger. Why do you think the looney has so much value now?
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2707802
I'll buy the tickets.....
What a minute here.....
Wasn't McCain working with Saint Teddy the drunk for Amnisty for illegal immigrants?
How quickly the immigrants turn their backs????
http:///forum/post/2707802
I'll buy the tickets.....
What a minute here.....
Wasn't McCain working with Saint Teddy the drunk for Amnisty for illegal immigrants?
How quickly the immigrants turn their backs????
oscardeuce
Active Member
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2708395
What a minute here.....
Wasn't McCain working with Saint Teddy the drunk for Amnisty for illegal immigrants?
How quickly the immigrants turn their backs????
Yes they were, and they were wrong. Bush backs this too and he's wrong. Obama backs it and he's wrong.
http:///forum/post/2708395
What a minute here.....
Wasn't McCain working with Saint Teddy the drunk for Amnisty for illegal immigrants?
How quickly the immigrants turn their backs????
Yes they were, and they were wrong. Bush backs this too and he's wrong. Obama backs it and he's wrong.
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2708442
Yes they were, and they were wrong. Bush backs this too and he's wrong. Obama backs it and he's wrong.
Just for the record. I didn't state right or wrong, just the fact that most immigrants seem to lean tword Obama, whilst McCain was giving them exactly what most of them wanted.
Personally, I think that it was dead wrong in agreement with you.
http:///forum/post/2708442
Yes they were, and they were wrong. Bush backs this too and he's wrong. Obama backs it and he's wrong.
Just for the record. I didn't state right or wrong, just the fact that most immigrants seem to lean tword Obama, whilst McCain was giving them exactly what most of them wanted.
Personally, I think that it was dead wrong in agreement with you.
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2708040
Immigrants are great as long as they come here to become an American instead of expecting us to wholly accept and adopt their culture.
Just as an aside what country in the world without a majority black population has elected a black leader? I am drawing a blank.
In reality this is nothing new. What about all the little burgs in the bigger cities with Irish or Italian flags flying everywhere. People who couldn't speak English off of the boat. Little Italy, Chinatown, ect...ect..ect...
I grew up in a hotbed of Swede/Fins. There was a direct impact of culture in that area even today.
The bigger difference is that it can be shown so much more in today's media and scruitiny.
Immigrants have always imposed their cultures when they arrived as they did today as they did for your great-grandparents.
The only difference is that those of yester-year for the most part did it legally through places like Ellis Island.
http:///forum/post/2708040
Immigrants are great as long as they come here to become an American instead of expecting us to wholly accept and adopt their culture.
Just as an aside what country in the world without a majority black population has elected a black leader? I am drawing a blank.
In reality this is nothing new. What about all the little burgs in the bigger cities with Irish or Italian flags flying everywhere. People who couldn't speak English off of the boat. Little Italy, Chinatown, ect...ect..ect...
I grew up in a hotbed of Swede/Fins. There was a direct impact of culture in that area even today.
The bigger difference is that it can be shown so much more in today's media and scruitiny.
Immigrants have always imposed their cultures when they arrived as they did today as they did for your great-grandparents.
The only difference is that those of yester-year for the most part did it legally through places like Ellis Island.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2708393
WHILST, it may not have impacted prices....at least the cash would be in the coffers of the AMERICAN ECONOMY, instead of building a nonsense cathedral of doomed capitalism in the deserts of Dubia. AKA the world's new largest building to be built.
Drill now, keep the dollar here and stronger. Why do you think the looney has so much value now?
Pretty simple concept isn't it
I guess now even Obama is starting to grasp the idea.
http:///forum/post/2708393
WHILST, it may not have impacted prices....at least the cash would be in the coffers of the AMERICAN ECONOMY, instead of building a nonsense cathedral of doomed capitalism in the deserts of Dubia. AKA the world's new largest building to be built.
Drill now, keep the dollar here and stronger. Why do you think the looney has so much value now?
Pretty simple concept isn't it
I guess now even Obama is starting to grasp the idea.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2708474
In reality this is nothing new. What about all the little burgs in the bigger cities with Irish or Italian flags flying everywhere. People who couldn't speak English off of the boat. Little Italy, Chinatown, ect...ect..ect...
I grew up in a hotbed of Swede/Fins. There was a direct impact of culture in that area even today.
The bigger difference is that it can be shown so much more in today's media and scruitiny.
Immigrants have always imposed their cultures when they arrived as they did today as they did for your great-grandparents.
The only difference is that those of yester-year for the most part did it legally through places like Ellis Island.
Yeah but you saw those people strive to become part of "America" with a few exceptions. It's one thing to add eliments of foreign cultures to our own, that is one thing that accounts for the overall greatness of this country but when people refuse to even learn the language, then expect, no demand that we teach their kids in their native language and offer government services the illegals aren't entitled to in the first place in a native language? I don't think so.
Celebrating St. Paddys and Cinco De Mayo has become as American as Sweet and Sour Pork or Margaritas
Thats all great but we don't really want vast areas where the culture of another country replaces our own. China town, Little Siagon etc. is OK but lets face it, Southern California has gotten to the point where Mexican culture is overtaking our own and it is a direct result of uncontrolled immigration.
http:///forum/post/2708474
In reality this is nothing new. What about all the little burgs in the bigger cities with Irish or Italian flags flying everywhere. People who couldn't speak English off of the boat. Little Italy, Chinatown, ect...ect..ect...
I grew up in a hotbed of Swede/Fins. There was a direct impact of culture in that area even today.
The bigger difference is that it can be shown so much more in today's media and scruitiny.
Immigrants have always imposed their cultures when they arrived as they did today as they did for your great-grandparents.
The only difference is that those of yester-year for the most part did it legally through places like Ellis Island.
Yeah but you saw those people strive to become part of "America" with a few exceptions. It's one thing to add eliments of foreign cultures to our own, that is one thing that accounts for the overall greatness of this country but when people refuse to even learn the language, then expect, no demand that we teach their kids in their native language and offer government services the illegals aren't entitled to in the first place in a native language? I don't think so.
Celebrating St. Paddys and Cinco De Mayo has become as American as Sweet and Sour Pork or Margaritas
notsonoob
Member
In reality it is their children and children's children that were the assimulated bunch into the US culture. Most of them just came here for work, to make a better life for their spawn.
Anyway, the BIG (capital big) difference is that they didn't come here breaking laws and stealing identities and that is the problem that we all have with it.
What they should have done was built a little burg on the Rio Grande that all could come through documented, checked and stamped, just like Elis Island and I think that there would have been no problems with the whole idea.
Second, is that it is also a battle with corporations, who favor dead unions and cheap sources of labor.
Anyway, the BIG (capital big) difference is that they didn't come here breaking laws and stealing identities and that is the problem that we all have with it.
What they should have done was built a little burg on the Rio Grande that all could come through documented, checked and stamped, just like Elis Island and I think that there would have been no problems with the whole idea.
Second, is that it is also a battle with corporations, who favor dead unions and cheap sources of labor.
reefreak29
Active Member
unfortunatly with the recession woes it looks like obama is a shoe in. chalk it up to americans not knowing better
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2708635
unfortunatly with the recession woes it looks like obama is a shoe in. chalk it up to americans not knowing better
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
http:///forum/post/2708635
unfortunatly with the recession woes it looks like obama is a shoe in. chalk it up to americans not knowing better
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
miaheatlvr
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2708651
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
Yes but most people will lump in highest unemployment rate in 20yrs at what? Almost 6%? in cohesion with a sign of a soon recession.
http:///forum/post/2708651
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
Yes but most people will lump in highest unemployment rate in 20yrs at what? Almost 6%? in cohesion with a sign of a soon recession.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2708660
Yes but most people will lump in highest unemployment rate in 20yrs at what? Almost 6%? in cohesion with a sign of a soon recession.
Not really, 5.7% was actually hit right after 9-11. It is still within the high side of what is considered frictional unemployment.
Some of the economic indicators they look at have been mixed for several years. IMO stuff that is more troubling is what the market's reaction to some of this socialist style bailouts that the govt has been doing. It really all depends, if you compare our numbers to alot of post industrial nations, our numbers are significantly better as long as we maintain the principles of free trade and capitalism and don't let a incompetent government get their grubby little fingers in our markets like they have in europe we'll be fine.
http:///forum/post/2708660
Yes but most people will lump in highest unemployment rate in 20yrs at what? Almost 6%? in cohesion with a sign of a soon recession.
Not really, 5.7% was actually hit right after 9-11. It is still within the high side of what is considered frictional unemployment.
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2706874
Voting for McCain, huh... he's truly a class act.
http://therealmccain.com/pac/?utm_source=rgemail
When the name of the site is therealmccain, I'm not going to waste my time clicking on it. I'm sure it a fact based unbiased site.
http:///forum/post/2706874
Voting for McCain, huh... he's truly a class act.
http://therealmccain.com/pac/?utm_source=rgemail
When the name of the site is therealmccain, I'm not going to waste my time clicking on it. I'm sure it a fact based unbiased site.
miaheatlvr
Active Member
Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2708733
When the name of the site is therealmccain, I'm not going to waste my time clicking on it. I'm sure it a fact based unbiased site.
I bet you 100% liberal spin! Maybe even vile and out of context as well! ala DAILY KOS, MOVE ON, MEDIA MATTERS!
http:///forum/post/2708733
When the name of the site is therealmccain, I'm not going to waste my time clicking on it. I'm sure it a fact based unbiased site.
I bet you 100% liberal spin! Maybe even vile and out of context as well! ala DAILY KOS, MOVE ON, MEDIA MATTERS!
reefreak29
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2708651
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
no no im not saying there is one but a concern of one
http:///forum/post/2708651
what recession woes? There is no recession, The over the last year, we had one quarter of of negative growth. at .2% before that you're talking two quarters of almost 5% growth. And the last two quarters were .9% and 1.9%. There is no national recession.
no no im not saying there is one but a concern of one
salty blues
Active Member
Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2706923
Oh, you must be referring to mccains ingenious plan to drill off-shore. You know, the one where we pollute the ocean for a drop in gas prices that won't happen until 2020.
Oh, so you don't use any products whatsoever that are made from petroleum? This would include gasolene, motor oils, tires, heating oil and a myriad of other products. Hard to believe, but good for you.
http:///forum/post/2706923
Oh, you must be referring to mccains ingenious plan to drill off-shore. You know, the one where we pollute the ocean for a drop in gas prices that won't happen until 2020.
Oh, so you don't use any products whatsoever that are made from petroleum? This would include gasolene, motor oils, tires, heating oil and a myriad of other products. Hard to believe, but good for you.
salty blues
Active Member
Originally Posted by bluering09
http:///forum/post/2706982
If I Mclain win I will leave this country along with my family and friends. I m not the type that discuss political views but come on mclain? Obama all the way here.
Like Alec Baldwin said he would leave if W got elected. Last time I checked, Baldwin is still here.
http:///forum/post/2706982
If I Mclain win I will leave this country along with my family and friends. I m not the type that discuss political views but come on mclain? Obama all the way here.
Like Alec Baldwin said he would leave if W got elected. Last time I checked, Baldwin is still here.