An exchange I had with Rush Limbaugh...

[agent-x]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2575466
Being born and raised in Florida, growing up, people were always coming and going as their familes took jobs here or left for somewhere else. Is it really that asinine of a thought for some people to move for a job?
Apparently for some, it is.

 

[rylan1]

I figured you would get those responses... I feel your pain... I graduated from college in the last 5 years... I only have a bachelor's... and I do agree that it is hard to find a job for your worth.. Of course there are some who make out and the chips fall just right... But what people don't realize is the # of qualified college graduates that are out there working as waiters or for $10 an hour. I know many... who thought they would have plenty of job opportunity... but when they get out of college.. the pickings are slim. Yes, we people employed.. but they are working jobs they are over qualified for just to make ends meet. It sounds to me that there should be jobs given your degree... ones that pay well... but that may not be the case. Many people who post here are out of touch with situations outside of their own.
Back to my point
People are working, but not making a living. The cost of living is skyrocketing, but are jobs paying more??? NO.
I think you are missing the point to his thread. He is saying that yes people are working, but what republicans fail to see is contrary to their belief. People are willing to work... if they need assistance it doesn't mean they are lazy.... It could be a situation like this guy or something similar. Just because employement is low.. doesn't mean the economy is doing well or that people have $$ to spend. That many of these people are educated and you can't use the common stereotypes that you do to characterize people who don't make enough money and need assistance or people who are unemployed.. etc. We need the creation of good jobs...

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2575209
Well considering I was born and raised in the upstate of South Carolina I don't think I owe anyone an apology. And I used that state as an example because it has always carried the stigma of being "backwards"... just ask anyone who has lived there. Including my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents who all live(d) there.
And who says because I have two degrees that I should be getting paid more?
I do.
And if you think that is being arrogant, then you are grossly misinformed about the way the American economy is "supposed" to work.
Do you tell your kids to study hard so they can get into college and get a good job one day? I would hope so. I hope you don't tell them to try and be mediocre so they can land somewhere in the middle.
Fact is, a person who spends five years and $100,000 dollars on education should expect to make more than $10 an hour, don't you think?
If not, then what's the point of getting that higher education?
And you say "If you are just out of college with no experience you are just worth that amount. You get to start where most college educated people get to start...........
You're EXACTLY right. I'm not asking for a million dollars, I'm just asking for something starting at the $35-40k a year I was promised coming up...
And that fact of the matter is, that most of the companies have sent their engineers and scientists overseas, giving the jobs that I went to school for to someone else in another country.
What upset me about Limbaugh, is that he acts as if that is not the case.
So what were you saying about rush ? You are doing the same thing that you said said Rush does...
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2575266
seriously what did you major in?
That made me laugh really really loud.
My wife has several degrees and at one point was working as a child abuse investigator for Missouri. She made around 23k a year. we moved to Florida she went back and received another Masters went to work for probation and parole. She then went into other fields finally resting after moving 20 times in 18 years with the ARMY as GS-15 We owed ( if we paid it in payments 175k in student loans but she took jobs along the way with loan forgiveness plans where they would pay 25k a year to help out. She now makes what GS15'S make which is better than 90% of the people with her degree. You know why ? She was willing to move go from one job to another that would show more versatility inn her resume and each one would be better and better. She started her own private practice for two years sold it etc. She did what she had to do to become the top of the food chain in her field. It was tough on us moving etc but it has paid off inn the end. She gets Federal retirement always made the new company pay for all moves took all her contracts thru a attorney and crossed out things such as if you leave within a year you pay back 25k of bonus money etc... She was smart about it ( much smarter than I am or we would be in deep crud) Stop complaining move if you have to post your resume on monster and others and if your worth anything a head hunter will find you. My wife gets offered atleast 2 jobs a week from those places paying REALLY well but now we can pick and choose where we wanna go if we want to go at all. ( We will probably swap to the navy and end up in Jacksonville pretty soon unless them Dem's come into office then its Germany, south Korea Italy Greece anywhere but here on the Govs dime...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2575461
no, but it IS misleading because you will have tons more people unemployed with the 5% in today's market than you did back in the 70's.
that's why it should be numbers, not percentages, recorded
You are totally wrong percentages are vital for measuring actual change. For instance, I had a friend who was ticked off about his "lousy" $10,000 raise. I'm thinking you moron, if I got a $10,000 raise I'd be so happy. The thing is this guy makes about 500,000 a year. So to him it was a 2% raise, and not even keeping up with inflation. Using actual numbers vs a percentage, you can get a perspective of what a number is really saying.
Just like I could quote the actual number of employed people today and say you know 160 million people are employed today. But you have no frame of reference to what that really means.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2575461
no, but it IS misleading because you will have tons more people unemployed with the 5% in today's market than you did back in the 70's.
that's why it should be numbers, not percentages, recorded
Using that logic, we have tons more people working today.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575478
I figured you would get those responses... I feel your pain... I graduated from college in the last 5 years... I only have a bachelor's... and I do agree that it is hard to find a job for your worth.. Of course there are some who make out and the chips fall just right... But what people don't realize is the # of qualified college graduates that are out there working as waiters or for $10 an hour. I know many... who thought they would have plenty of job opportunity... but when they get out of college.. the pickings are slim. Yes, we people employed.. but they are working jobs they are over qualified for just to make ends meet. It sounds to me that there should be jobs given your degree... ones that pay well... but that may not be the case. Many people who post here are out of touch with situations outside of their own.
Back to my point
People are working, but not making a living. The cost of living is skyrocketing, but are jobs paying more??? NO.
Home ownership reached record highs a few years ago. So, apparently, many people are making a living...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2575486
Home ownership reached record highs a few years ago. So, apparently, many people are making a living...
Just look at the Housing Loan (M)situation... I don't think you can make this argument now given the billions of right offs and foreclosures. With this much growth. you'd think there would be some oversite of the Housing Loan (M) industry... We are in a recession... a month ago many of you said we weren't... Look at the prices and rate of inflation.
Just look at how many banks are in serious trouble...

 

[crimzy]

Correct me if I'm wrong (yeah right), but I believe that the unemployment statistics come from the amount of people collecting unemployment. Thus the people who's unemployment has expired, or the people who have not worked for years are not a part of the statistic.
Thus, if people are having more difficulty finding new employment and remain unemployed for longer than their benefits accrue, then the statistics are really meaningless. Again, correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[tangman99]

I'm not quite sure what people entering the work force are looking for these days. I know when I graduated college with a degree in Computer Engineering, there were some darn good offers being handed out to me and my graduating friends. I preferred to stay near home as I was married, both of our families lived here and we had a son in school. I don't live in the highest paying part of the country either so I started out at about half of what I could have it I would have relocated to Silicon Valley.
I did very well over the next few years as a consultant and software engineer. I saw the first wave of global outsourcing coming and I read the writing on the wall. Then the big technology fallout of the late 90's leading to the the DOT BOMBS. I had Oracle Administrator friends making top dollar that couldn't get a job as the .coms had flooded the market with technical people. Big companies then began cutting costs not by layoffs. It was called reclassifying your job and letting you reapply for it. The catch, the job you were getting $60K a year for is now called this and it only pays $35K. Oh, but nothing changed in the job. You are free to leave though if you think you can do better.
I set a path out to learn the business and get out of programming all together. You can send coding jobs anywhere in the world. What you can't outsource is business knowledge and how to put all the technical pieces together which is what I do today. I'm still in the same town around all my family, worked my way up into niche positions where I had local presence and value and today I'm nicely in the 6 figure territory along with my wife that did the same thing and makes about the same as I do. A lot of my friends that started out in the high paced high paying silicon valley jobs had to start over a few years later and yes they had to relocate. Some actually found other lines of work.
My company today like all companies are looking for ways to cut back. We had a layoff a few months ago and another one is coming soon with yearly layoffs planned over the next three years to meet a goal. No one is safe today. All you can try to do is make yourself valueable. I could be the next one to go and I know I will be looked at when they pull the highly compensated employees. If it happens, it happens. I don't lose sleep over it. I already have a plan in mind. I'll take a few weeks off to hit the gym to get the body back in shape and them I'm going to hang a webcam in my shower and start a website. Subscriptions are $19.99 a month.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2575506
Correct me if I'm wrong (yeah right), but I believe that the unemployment statistics come from the amount of people collecting unemployment. Thus the people who's unemployment has expired, or the people who have not worked for years are not a part of the statistic.
Thus, if people are having more difficulty finding new employment and remain unemployed for longer than their benefits accrue, then the statistics are really meaningless. Again, correct me if I'm wrong...
They do check that, but it isn't the basis of the "unemployment rate."
Where do the statistics come from?
Because unemployment insurance records, which many people think are the source of total unemployment data, relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940 when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. As explained later, the CPS estimates, beginning in 1994, reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey.http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_faq.htm#Ques2

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2575499
Just look at the Housing Loan (M)situation... I don't think you can make this argument now given the billions of right offs and foreclosures. With this much growth. you'd think there would be some oversite of the Housing Loan (M) industry... We are in a recession... a month ago many of you said we weren't... Look at the prices and rate of inflation.
Just look at how many banks are in serious trouble...
Yes, please look at the current home "crisis". Rylan, do you know what percentage of homes are currently in foreclosure?
Please post figures showing we are in a Recession (an actual, defined recession)
Oversite=More Government control and less Capitalism.

 

[stdreb27]

I still want to know what you majored in!

 

[oscardeuce]

I was hoping that the screener would catch on to the fact that I was oblivious to the economic stimulus package that will be sending every tax paying American $1,200 next month.
(QUOTE]
You sure "every tax paying American" is getting the check? This "typical white guy" is not. I must not be a "working man" even after putting in 56 hours this week.
Clemson,
You sound "bitter". Do you have a Bible or a gun to "cling" to in these times of need?
Anyone wants to start a degree micturation match, I'm in!

 

[lovethesea]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2575534
I still want to know what you majored in!
why do you keep asking this??? He clearly answered what is degrees are in.

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/2575561
why do you keep asking this??? He clearly answered what is degrees are in.

You really do not know why he keeps asking it ?
Seriously your kidding right ?
Makes me lol every time I see him ask it.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2575264
I majored in architectural engineering with my undergrad from Clemson University and my masters from the Ohio State University.

Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/2575561
why do you keep asking this??? He clearly answered what is degrees are in.

I'm sorry I totally missed it.

I was going to slap you if you'd said political science and art history.

 

[oscardeuce]

Yeah, force me to move to another state because all the jobs in the rustbelt went to China! What a novel idea!
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Funny, few rust belt jobs I know of are architectural engineering related.
Maybe advanced degrees in metallurgy, analytical chemistry for the steel or rubber industries, but since environmentalist whackos will not let us design or build new refineries the architectural engineers are not in demand here.

 

[beth]

I listen to some talk radio just about every day while driving. And most of that is conservative, because that really is all there is out there. I'm an independent and I think I can really look objectively at these programs, and their hosts. They are radio talk show hosts, not movers and shakers of American politics. Yes, they influence, but so does the commercials we see on TV all day long. Conservatives would still be conservative without them, trust me.
Its pretty obvious that they take calls based on the most traction they can get at "entertaining" their right leaning audiences. Even Rush says he's an "entertainer". Mark Levin cracks me up. He really does take left wing bozos with an IQ of 5 as call-in on the show, hangs up on them, then rips them to shreds over the airs. Does anyone really not know that much of this kinda of stuff is staged? Come on. Its a radio talk show meant to ENTERTAIN. Yes, they have a political slant, but the main goal is entertainment. Nothing to get all hot and bothered over. No revelation in telling us that much of these shows are just that--shows.

 

[beth]

Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/2575260
Come on, are you serious? In the most advanced economy in the world, you expect people to just up and relocate because the jobs moved somewhere else?
That sounds like something you would see in a third world nomadic country...

Huh? Well, I did exactly this 3 years ago. I have 2 college degrees (almost 3) and years of work experience. My job ended where I had worked for many years. I was offered to relocate, same position, same salary. I did, and I'm perfectly happy with the decision in retrospect, though it was pretty hard at the time. So?
You don't really believe that life is going to go exactly as you want it all the time do you? Make the best of things, and I can guarantee you that it will end well. Turn challenges into opportunities. Its all attitude.

 

[digitydash]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2575522
They do check that, but it isn't the basis of the "unemployment rate."
Where do the statistics come from?
Because unemployment insurance records, which many people think are the source of total unemployment data, relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940 when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. As explained later, the CPS estimates, beginning in 1994, reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey.http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_faq.htm#Ques2
If this is how they gauge unemployment this is a flawed system if you ask me their many more I am sure that do not take this survey.I have never gotten any of these surveys.An who is saying this goverment is not puting a spin on unemployment for their pat on the back where doing so good.If some of you don't think we a in a recesion your kiding yourself.Only company really making any money is fuel and company that you need their products everyday.Soon this will be slowing down.Between increases in fuel,food,electric....ect.ect It has to break sometime and I think it coming soon.Who want to work just to scrap by and let all these big company get rich.This economy sucks and you that don't believe can keep living with your head buried in the sand.Reality will be coming.