And this is why Fox Business shouldn't be covering Science stories.

beth

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Originally Posted by MikeNY http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories#post_3536662
I can't believe we're even having this debate on this forum. Of all places, here is where I'd think would be people that understand the complex interactions of the air, land and sea that cause climate change. Who are you going to trust? NASA or some dumb Fox anchor who thinks it's a hoax because his feet are cold today?
I hardly even listened to the FOX vid. I think I pretty much dismissed it. What I did say is that the issue of climate change has been so politicalized that the issue is now tainted.

No doubt climate change is going to happen. But why is the real issue. No one going on any cable news venue is believable, just like a politician writing a book, or selling a brand, yet continuing to jet around the globe is not believable either. If you are selling climate change, or global warming, then you are not a reliable source.
 
2quills

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The People own, NASA. But NASA is very much under the control of our federal government. There have been too many instances of government officials using the peoples resources for their own personal gain. Any and all information should be considered as suspect.
Where's the real proof of man made climate change?
The feds regulate trades like HVAC which is what I'm in. The EPA over sees the industry. There are now so many laws regulating that trade that if everybody followed them to a T then nobody would actually make any money and want to do the work anymore. So the EPA really does nothing to police people in large part. But every once in a while they'll crack down on somebody to set an example and slap them with some heavy fines. But they really don't care. It's all about control. Now we are in the process of phazing out refrigerants that contain CFCs with more expensive stuff because they destroy the ozone layer like they scared everyone with back in the 80's. Last time I heard the ozone is doing just fine.
 
mikeny

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Climate change is settled science. It was acknowledged by both sides of the political spectrum up until very recently. Fox tows the corporate line for entrenched companies that have billions at stake in maintaining the status quo. Al Gore flying from city to city to do presentations is not the same thing. The money going to research for climate studies is a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue companies make by pulling resources from the ground and/or spewing it into the air. These are not two sides of the same coin. Not even close.
 
2quills

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No problem with the ozone?
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=49040
Looks like more nasa documentation. What else ya got?
Did you know that the hole in the ozone opens up and closes each year? Can NASA tell you the size of that hole 200 years ago? And did you know that CFCs occure naturally and are pumped into the atmosphere via our oceans and volcanos?
 
darthtang aw

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Climate change is settled science. It was acknowledged by both sides of the political spectrum up until very recently. Fox tows the corporate line for entrenched companies that have billions at stake in maintaining the status quo. Al Gore flying from city to city to do presentations is not the same thing. The money going to research for climate studies is a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue companies make by pulling resources from the ground and/or spewing it into the air. These are not two sides of the same coin. Not even close.
Nevermind. You dont understand our point.
Darth (i have an iceberg for sale) Tang
 
darthtang aw

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Lol. That article says we can speed up the ozone rebuilding by releasing greenhouses into the arctic area to increase global cooling.
Interesting.
 
silverado61

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories#post_3536664
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Originally Posted by MikeNY http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories#post_3536662
I can't believe we're even having this debate on this forum. Of all places, here is where I'd think would be people that understand the complex interactions of the air, land and sea that cause climate change. Who are you going to trust? NASA or some dumb Fox anchor who thinks it's a hoax because his feet are cold today?
You wouldn't happen to be in the market to buy a house would you? Just wonderin...
 
2quills

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Climate change is settled science. It was acknowledged by both sides of the political spectrum up until very recently. Fox tows the corporate line for entrenched companies that have billions at stake in maintaining the status quo. Al Gore flying from city to city to do presentations is not the same thing. The money going to research for climate studies is a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue companies make by pulling resources from the ground and/or spewing it into the air. These are not two sides of the same coin. Not even close.
Al Gore, we already know doesn't practice what he preaches. But you are correct in that the money going in to real research is small and in a lot of ways still in it's infancy when it comes to understanding climate change. We do know that the earth is getting warmer it's evident by the fact we are not living in an ice age right now. And we do know that there are more minor cycles of cooler and warmer temperatures that have happened in the last few hundred years. What is not very well known is precisely how much effect humans are contributing to the change vs natural occurences. We don't understand the effects on ozone terribly well when it comes to the effect that sun spots have or other forms of chlorine that come from the planet have.
I think some of us here are simply saying there is a lot we still don't know.
 
darthtang aw

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Can you give me some legitimate scientific data that proves global "cooling"?  I'm talking numbers.  
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/29/russian-scientists-say-period-of-global-cooling-ahead-due-to-changes-in-the-sun/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html
http://isthereglobalcooling.com/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/report-scientists-predict-a-century-of-global-cooling/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/06/15/forget-the-temperature-plateau-earth-undergoing-global-cooling-since-2002-climate-scientist-dr-judith-curry-attention-in-the-public-debate-seems-to-be-moving-away-from/
http://www.thegwpf.org/arctic-ice-rebounds-top-scientists-predict-period-global-cooling/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/
That should keep you busy for a while.
Let me know if you need more.................
 
mohawkninja

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/20#post_3536701
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/29/russian-scientists-say-period-of-global-cooling-ahead-due-to-changes-in-the-sun/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html
http://isthereglobalcooling.com/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783
http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/report-scientists-predict-a-century-of-global-cooling/
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/06/15/forget-the-temperature-plateau-earth-undergoing-global-cooling-since-2002-climate-scientist-dr-judith-curry-attention-in-the-public-debate-seems-to-be-moving-away-from/
http://www.thegwpf.org/arctic-ice-rebounds-top-scientists-predict-period-global-cooling/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/
That should keep you busy for a while.
Let me know if you need more.................
*Sigh* I guess I asked for it...
 
mohawkninja

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In response to the second article. http://www.climate4you.com/images/NSIDC%20GlobalArcticAntarctic%20SeaIceArea.gif
Just because it went up one year doesn't get rid of the trend.
I'll get back to you on the rest of the articles over the next couple days.
 
beth

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Originally Posted by mohawkninja http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/20#post_3536740
Anyways, while I work through all these articles, do you guys actually believe that the greenhouse effect is a myth?
Oh no. There certainly is a greenhouse effect, but we question whether its a runaway greenhouse. Venus' climate (if you can call it that) is an example of extreme (or runaway) greenhouse effect. Earth also experiences a greenhouse effect which is what makes it possible for us and many other lifeforms to live on this planet.
 
mohawkninja

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/20#post_3536744
Oh no. There certainly is a greenhouse effect, but we question whether its a runaway greenhouse. Venus' climate (if you can call it that) is an example of extreme (or runaway) greenhouse effect. Earth also experiences a greenhouse effect which is what makes it possible for us and many other lifeforms to live on this planet.
Yes, and releasing more CO2 and other greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere would further amplify that greenhouse effect, correct?
 
2quills

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I'd say that the scientists have done a very good job of convincing me that the greenhouse effect is very real. The question for me is if we need to be working ourselves up into a panick over it and making all of our decisions in that frame of mind?
I do firmly believe that we should continue moving forward with reducing our emissions wherever we can until we reach Zero Emmisions coming from humans. Our young and future generations of scientists will have plenty to try and figure out for a long time to come with this one.
When Mankind starts talking about manipulating our planet's environment is when things start getting sketchy for me. :flamed:
 
beth

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/20#post_3536748
I do firmly believe that we should continue moving forward with reducing our emissions wherever we can until we reach Zero Emmisions coming from humans.
I'd say that this is a good idea.

mohawkninja, it does stand to reason that man's contribution to greenhouse gases may impact the environment, but do think that the end to life as we know it is going to happen in the next decade or 2 because of it? Because that is what the politicized faction will have us all believe.
 
bang guy

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/20#post_3536750
I'd say that this is a good idea.

mohawkninja, it does stand to reason that man's contribution to greenhouse gases may impact the environment, but do think that the end to life as we know it is going to happen in the next decade or 2 because of it? Because that is what the politicized faction will have us all believe.
Beth, I love you but... OK, now I forgot what I was going to say.


I'll be back when I remember.
 
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