brand new 20g setup
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jon_fiasco
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i no i said pics early this week when i get home tonight ill try to post them... i really dont wanna waste the money on lights when the fixture i have isnt even six months old
meowzer
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Originally Posted by Jon_fiasco
http:///forum/post/3127439
i no i said pics early this week when i get home tonight ill try to post them... i really dont wanna waste the money on lights when the fixture i have isnt even six months old
LOL...ME TOO...I bought 3 sets of lights in my first 6 months
http:///forum/post/3127439
i no i said pics early this week when i get home tonight ill try to post them... i really dont wanna waste the money on lights when the fixture i have isnt even six months old
LOL...ME TOO...I bought 3 sets of lights in my first 6 months
jon_fiasco
Member
thats crazy i really dont wanna do that lol.... ok guys my next post will be pics so i hope you enjoy
jon_fiasco
Member
here you go guys and theres some a lil extra in there as well let me now what you think....
jon_fiasco
Member
one more
jon_fiasco
Member
500 post on my thread yyeeeehhhh
katsafados
Active Member
Yeah what about the cyano?
jon_fiasco
Member
yea fiasco what are you gonna do about the cyano...?
oh wait this is my thread what am i gonna do about the cyano, honestly idk what are you guy's suggestions... i was just gonna get some snails from swf and prey they can fix the problem but im sure you guys can come up with a better solution...
oh wait this is my thread what am i gonna do about the cyano, honestly idk what are you guy's suggestions... i was just gonna get some snails from swf and prey they can fix the problem but im sure you guys can come up with a better solution...
jon_fiasco
Member
btw that way gusy thats larry (my mom named him) hes my albino leopard gecko i love that dude im gonna get him a girlfriend now and so i can bread em'
meowzer
Moderator
LOL...Cyano is a sign of a bigger problem that needs to be addressed....snails will usually not touch it....I am posting something written by Spanko....
Here is a post from Spanko....
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will not but I will quote this analysis;
Cyanobacteria, AKA Red Slime
Here's a little background to help you understand it.
Cyanobacteria in itself is pretty interesting stuff. Cyano is one of the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old. This says a lot for its ability to adapt. And though we find it unsightly and it can be destructive to an extent in the marine tank, it is one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria. Among other things, it's an important provider of nitrogen fertilizer in the cultivation of rice and beans. It is photosynthetic and can manufacture its own food while producing oxygen. It also feeds off of organic materials in our closed systems. Not all of these organic substances can be removed by skimming and despite best plans and actions aquarists frequently run into some cyanobacteria problems, especially when their systems are going through initial cycling and settling in. Slime algae" can come in shades of blue-green, red, brown, and black.
What causes it?
As mentioned previously, it is caused by excess organics in a system. This can be brought on by excess feeding, overstocking, lack of filtration, infrequent water changing or from the excess nutrients from cycling a new system. Also, because it is photosynthetic, long light cycles encourage growth.
TO BE CONTINUED
Here is a post from Spanko....
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will not but I will quote this analysis;
Cyanobacteria, AKA Red Slime
Here's a little background to help you understand it.
Cyanobacteria in itself is pretty interesting stuff. Cyano is one of the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old. This says a lot for its ability to adapt. And though we find it unsightly and it can be destructive to an extent in the marine tank, it is one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria. Among other things, it's an important provider of nitrogen fertilizer in the cultivation of rice and beans. It is photosynthetic and can manufacture its own food while producing oxygen. It also feeds off of organic materials in our closed systems. Not all of these organic substances can be removed by skimming and despite best plans and actions aquarists frequently run into some cyanobacteria problems, especially when their systems are going through initial cycling and settling in. Slime algae" can come in shades of blue-green, red, brown, and black.
What causes it?
As mentioned previously, it is caused by excess organics in a system. This can be brought on by excess feeding, overstocking, lack of filtration, infrequent water changing or from the excess nutrients from cycling a new system. Also, because it is photosynthetic, long light cycles encourage growth.
TO BE CONTINUED
meowzer
Moderator
How do I get rid of it?
The best way to get to battle cyano would be diligent tank maintenance. A combination of regular water changes, great filtration, not over feeding or over stocking, manual removal and good water flow. Regular water changes will help remove organics and lower nitrate and phosphate levels which are large fueling sources. Regular testing will help you keep your level in check but, keep in mind that test kits can only measure inorganic phosphorus. If any phosphates show in your testing, this means there is a higher amount of organic phosphates. Anything above 0.03ppm should be lowered asap. I feel at this point I should also add that using tap water may be adding to the problem. Testing your tap water would be advised. Some tap water contains phosphates and nitrates in which case RO/DI water would be necessary for top offs and salt mixing. Other things that may help are adding more waterflow to your tank. Cyano will thrive in low flow stagnant areas. Manual removal will help as well. Siphoning the cyano from your sand/gravel and rocks with airline tubing will help remove bulk amounts of cyano. Be sure to remove any cyano that you wipe from the sides of the tank as well. Feed less. Just because the fish swim to the top like spoiled dogs begging doesn't mean they need fed every time you walk past the tank. Actually, it's good practice to skip a day of feeding. Many aquarists feed every other day. Commercially prepared foods contain a lot of phosphates as well. A homemade frozen blender mush* is a good alternative frozen food. This is a mix of fresh seafood and vitamins thats not full of preservatives. If feeding daily, feed small amounts so there isn't a lot of excess food laying around. If feeding frozen foods, thaw the food in some tank water and drain before feeding. Care should also be taken when feeding inverts/corals. It's easy to overfeed so be wary of adding too much. Few animals will feed on cyano and only as a last resort for food. Some hermits may pick at it and nerite snails are said to eat it but the only true consumer is strombus sp. Introducing macros that will compete for the nutrients will help as well. Lastly, there are several chemical products on the market that can be used to control cyano. These can be a mixed blessing. While it may control and/or eliminate your cyanobacteria, these fixes are usually temporary. Cyano being so adaptable, unless you change the conditions in your tank that is causing the problem in the first place, it will often adjust itself to the new chemicals and reappear over time.
In closing, cyanobacteria is not the end of the world. Algaes of all types are to be expected in a new system. When the tank first cycles, there is an over abundance of nutrient and as a result much larger than needed bacterial populations. Once the nutrient load is reduced and fish added (or inverts), the bacteria start to die off. The nutrient bound up in these bacteria then become a great source of algae fuel. Once the tank reaches a more static level (waste in/waste out), these algaes subside naturally for the most part albeit unsightly for the short term if the conditions/removal suggestions are followed. Limit nutrients through regular water changing, careful feeding, limiting use of supplements, proper lighting, adequate filtration, circulation and aeration, and the addition of macro algaes. If you do have an outbreak of cyanobacteria, look for the fuel source. Things like lack of competing algaes, overabundance of chemicals and foods, as well as stagnant, low oxygenated water are pretty easy fixes and are better for the long term health of your tank.
The best way to get to battle cyano would be diligent tank maintenance. A combination of regular water changes, great filtration, not over feeding or over stocking, manual removal and good water flow. Regular water changes will help remove organics and lower nitrate and phosphate levels which are large fueling sources. Regular testing will help you keep your level in check but, keep in mind that test kits can only measure inorganic phosphorus. If any phosphates show in your testing, this means there is a higher amount of organic phosphates. Anything above 0.03ppm should be lowered asap. I feel at this point I should also add that using tap water may be adding to the problem. Testing your tap water would be advised. Some tap water contains phosphates and nitrates in which case RO/DI water would be necessary for top offs and salt mixing. Other things that may help are adding more waterflow to your tank. Cyano will thrive in low flow stagnant areas. Manual removal will help as well. Siphoning the cyano from your sand/gravel and rocks with airline tubing will help remove bulk amounts of cyano. Be sure to remove any cyano that you wipe from the sides of the tank as well. Feed less. Just because the fish swim to the top like spoiled dogs begging doesn't mean they need fed every time you walk past the tank. Actually, it's good practice to skip a day of feeding. Many aquarists feed every other day. Commercially prepared foods contain a lot of phosphates as well. A homemade frozen blender mush* is a good alternative frozen food. This is a mix of fresh seafood and vitamins thats not full of preservatives. If feeding daily, feed small amounts so there isn't a lot of excess food laying around. If feeding frozen foods, thaw the food in some tank water and drain before feeding. Care should also be taken when feeding inverts/corals. It's easy to overfeed so be wary of adding too much. Few animals will feed on cyano and only as a last resort for food. Some hermits may pick at it and nerite snails are said to eat it but the only true consumer is strombus sp. Introducing macros that will compete for the nutrients will help as well. Lastly, there are several chemical products on the market that can be used to control cyano. These can be a mixed blessing. While it may control and/or eliminate your cyanobacteria, these fixes are usually temporary. Cyano being so adaptable, unless you change the conditions in your tank that is causing the problem in the first place, it will often adjust itself to the new chemicals and reappear over time.
In closing, cyanobacteria is not the end of the world. Algaes of all types are to be expected in a new system. When the tank first cycles, there is an over abundance of nutrient and as a result much larger than needed bacterial populations. Once the nutrient load is reduced and fish added (or inverts), the bacteria start to die off. The nutrient bound up in these bacteria then become a great source of algae fuel. Once the tank reaches a more static level (waste in/waste out), these algaes subside naturally for the most part albeit unsightly for the short term if the conditions/removal suggestions are followed. Limit nutrients through regular water changing, careful feeding, limiting use of supplements, proper lighting, adequate filtration, circulation and aeration, and the addition of macro algaes. If you do have an outbreak of cyanobacteria, look for the fuel source. Things like lack of competing algaes, overabundance of chemicals and foods, as well as stagnant, low oxygenated water are pretty easy fixes and are better for the long term health of your tank.
nissan577
Active Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3127740
Hope that helps...and THANKS HENRY...LOL I didn't want to type all that
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http:///forum/post/3127740
Hope that helps...and THANKS HENRY...LOL I didn't want to type all that
jon_fiasco
Member
meowzer thanks a lot that really did help, we've spoken about my lights and we can all agree that i need some better flow im gonna go out and buy a koralia 1 and might do water change this week end... from reading this i can conclude that the cyano could be to lack of flow its only growing on the opposite side of where my canister flows water back into the tank... hopefully this can fix the problem... another thing i got was i do feed daily and it is frozen food so im gonna pull back on that and feed every other day...
let me know what you guys think..
let me know what you guys think..