Bush's War

crashbandicoot

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Veeraj87
http:///forum/post/2536386
you my friend are ignorant of the facts that i have provided to you.... ignorant go back to school
Just because I will not except you anti war ,anti bush, anti american attitude as my own does not make me ignorant ,nor does it have anything to do with my education level .
But thanks for the effort
 
crimzy

crimzy

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LET ME JUST SAY THIS SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR... THIS IS A DEBATE.
NO ONE IS IGNORANT, UNINTELLIGENT OR UN-AMERICAN FOR THEIR VIEWS!!! THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON HERE WHO "HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT". LET'S ALL TAKE A BREATH AND TRY TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WITHOUT NAME CALLING PLEASE.
BTW, none of the above applies to Crash... he is all of those things.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Veeraj87
http:///forum/post/2535870
Wilson was sent to Africa to find out if Niger had sold tanks of uranium to Saddam/Iraq, the CIA believed that this was not a valid threat however Cheany wanted it to be cleared, he sent wilson there and he found NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION nor did he find any sales of uranium
Read for yourself this is in his words.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54C0A9659C8B63
This is not some liberal that they sent out it was Rumsfelds hand picked man that went out there to search to find if this threat was real... so dont use that arguement that this is just a left wing person...
Your right... all this is connected... in a web of deciet... Authorization for war, CIA ties to Bin Laden, Musharaff, Haliburton, WMD's, Iraq, Oil/Gas Prices, Scooter Libby and CIA leak... all of it...
Spefically about your point... wouldn't you say its highly likely that this Admin leaked the information about this guys wife... because of his opposition to the war and evidential proof that Africa or no one else sold Iraq nuclear material.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2535887
Thanks for the links, btw. I do find it curious, however, that you don't post any links regarding any of the following:
*Oil for Food Scandal
*Iraq barring inspectors
*Saddam funneling money from the "starving children" to build more palaces
*Torture rooms
*R ape rooms
*Secret police and exocutions of political dissidents
Etc...
What I find interesting is how many other places in the world have these same human right violations.
 
nigerbang

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Originally Posted by Veeraj87
http:///forum/post/2536229
Now tell me where the WMD's are cuz clearly you know were Saddam hid them.... so enlighten me where is the yellow cake, where is the mobile biowarfare trucks where are they mr. Reefraff i dont see them i have yet to hear a SINGLE account of those being found, however i have found evidence that we have destroyed waterlines please address this....
havent found any WMD
must be giving you and you neo con buddies a headache the UN could found nothing just like our military did...
When you sit and point your finger for 5-8 months letting them KNOW we are coming to check for WMD's....Yeah I would leave them laying around...It was well known the labs could go mobile at the drop of a hat....We are coming soon...
In the Middle east that translates into "Grab the S--T and lets get this out of here and move it to another location"...
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Veeraj87
http:///forum/post/2536393
you have no heart and now you have stooped to a new low by making the innocent people of iraq seem like the BAD GUYS... boy has someone put a spell on you... you are the most ignorant of them all.... to not feel bad for killing innocent people is a crime my friend you need some psychiatric help and please for our sake get it soon


Childish name calling and personal attacks won't help me to see your point .

You want to make the iraqi people out to be completely innocent in the fact they have had nothing to do with the way their country has turned out . When you stand and let your homeland be terrorized for some 30+ years that sadam was in power then dont cry to me about the dead in the last 5 years at the hands of our goverment . We are there to do many things that might escape your educated by pbs mind . We are there to remove a dictatorship to provide a better life to the people of the region to stabelize their nation and their way of life ,We are there to insure future generations of iraqis have the FREEDOM to vote for leadership We are there to make sure women have a vote and a say . We are their to build a nation of true strength of its people not of its evil dictatorship. So it in turn can provide a base of democracy for the region . A sence of hope for a less opressed future . But I guess the future of that nation and others like it is nothing compared to you issue of WATER ?
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2536404
LET ME JUST SAY THIS SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR... THIS IS A DEBATE.
NO ONE IS IGNORANT, UNINTELLIGENT OR UN-AMERICAN FOR THEIR VIEWS!!! THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PERSON HERE WHO "HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT". LET'S ALL TAKE A BREATH AND TRY TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION WITHOUT NAME CALLING PLEASE.
BTW, none of the above applies to Crash... he is all of those things.

Hey at least you spelled ignorant right my friend unlike my uneducated self .
 
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veeraj87

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2536418
Childish name calling and personal attacks won't help me to see your point .

You want to make the iraqi people out to be completely innocent in the fact they have had nothing to do with the way their country has turned out . When you stand and let your homeland be terrorized for some 30+ years that sadam was in power then dont cry to me about the dead in the last 5 years at the hands of our goverment . We are there to do many things that might escape your educated by pbs mind . We are there to remove a dictatorship to provide a better life to the people of the region to stabelize their nation and their way of life ,We are there to insure future generations of iraqis have the FREEDOM to vote for leadership We are there to make sure women have a vote and a say . We are their to build a nation of true strength of its people not of its evil dictatorship. So it in turn can provide a base of democracy for the region . A sence of hope for a less opressed future . But I guess the future of that nation and others like it is nothing compared to you issue of WATER ?
my issue is not water it is the people dieing from our direct destruction of the water supply... try reading what my arguement is... geez ... we dont even have a plan to implement a government there in iraq right now its totally a mess.. and u know becuz of neocons wanting war right away not waiting for plans to be formulated... you seem to be ok with that u seem to be ok with rushing into things and then not being upset that we screwd up thousands of peoples of lives here at home and in iraq???
 
agent-x

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2536418
We are there to remove a dictatorship to provide a better life to the people of the region to stabelize their nation and their way of life ,We are there to insure future generations of iraqis have the FREEDOM to vote for leadership We are there to make sure women have a vote and a say . We are their to build a nation of true strength of its people not of its evil dictatorship. So it in turn can provide a base of democracy for the region . A sence of hope for a less opressed future . But I guess the future of that nation and others like it is nothing compared to you issue of WATER ?


I usually don't agree with you too much, but I certainly do here.
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Veeraj87
http:///forum/post/2536430
my issue is not water it is the people dieing from our direct destruction of the water supply... try reading what my arguement is... geez ... we dont even have a plan to implement a government there in iraq right now its totally a mess.. and u know becuz of neocons wanting war right away not waiting for plans to be formulated... you seem to be ok with that u seem to be ok with rushing into things and then not being upset that we screwd up thousands of peoples of lives here at home and in iraq???

So are you upset that there is no water treatment or that lives have been disrupted in another country or is it that lives here in america are disrupted ? Because the first two go hand in hand but the 3rd is a completely different argument in and of its self . Again your trying to jump around and now add in another factor to your argument .
 
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veeraj87

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2536429
Hey at least you spelled ignorant right my friend unlike my uneducated self .

you seem uneducated because you fail to see human rights and ethics... your trying to justify the deliberate killing of iraqis and to top it off you are blaming them for it ...
go to school thats all i can say you 30 some odd years you have a white beard dude your old and you lived in this wonderful country and haven't learned a lick of human rights in your stay here
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2536179
I am listening to the documentary as I work and there are some interesting things brought out. Did you know that it was Chaney who was the "administrative source" to the New York Times claiming that Iraq was collecting steel tubes to be used for uranium enrichment? Then the Times published an article about it and Chaney used references to the Times' article in his campaign to support the war effort. Neat trick...
Funny thing, I was watching old press coverage where UN inspectors and reporters were going through Iraq... one of the journalist said they were updated on what to look for with WMD sites... Well I guess later the Bush Admin outlined specific targets of WMD sites and their effort to justify the war... well the site targeted was the very same site UN inspectors visited...the journalist said there were no high power lines going into the facility... and there was no other indication this site produced WMD's ... If you go back and look at all the press releases and speeches about the authorization for war... they are all false statements...like the one mentioned above by Crimzy..
 
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veeraj87

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2536437
So are you upset that there is no water treatment or that lives have been disrupted in another country or is it that lives here in america are disrupted ? Because the first two go hand in hand but the 3rd is a completely different argument in and of its self . Again your trying to jump around and now add in another factor to your argument .
im upset that we didnt have a plan we rushed a war... and people are dieing, including our own people... i dont get your logic you call them lazy and all this nonsense ... you absolutely dont make sense thats like saying the jews died because they were to lazy to help themselves and fight back... WTF?? does that justify their killing??? i dont get it ????
 
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veeraj87

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crash your argument is SOO flawed... your prolly thinking you their gonna die anyways were just helping them out and if they die in the process its ok were helping them.... just like we did in Vietnam right, cuz those people are THRIVING now,
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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***sigh***
I will try this again. Crimzy maybe if you ask the question for me it might get a response.
Veeraj87, I don't understand your basic point or what you are trying to accomplish. You state you don't support pulling out of Iraq. You harp about the number dead due to sanctions placed by the UN (not the US) due to water problems...so what are you trying to get across? What is your end result that would make you happy?
 
nigerbang

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"I Am Become Death - The Destroyer Of The Worlds"
Anwaar Hussain
They all hate us for being there....Pic to prove it..
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2536306
Dude, you'll NEVER hear that from me. You want to waste your time and breath saving the plight of the world, go join the Peace Corps. Bush and his cronies have spent over 1 TRILLION dollars on this useless charade. What have you got to show for it? A majority of people over there still despise us, and could care less if we stay or go. Sure they'll keep praising the US soldiers and our government, because we keep giving them money. Meanwhile, US businesses are dropping left and right, the housing market is down the toilet, we're at the start of a Recession, cities like Detroit are turning into ghost towns, gas costs almost as much as a gallon of milk, and unemployment is beginning to skyrocket. But hey! You want to save a bunch of $#
$# who would just as easily stick a knife in your back while they're holding their hand out for more freebies. Sorry, I have no problem getting out of there NOW. Life is too short to worry about someone on the other side of the world and their problems. I have to worry about keeping my own head afloat. You'd rather see thousands of Americans living under bridges due to losing their homes and jobs because "It's our responsibility to better the lives of that region."
Too your point... we've spent a trillion $, which doesn't account for the aftermath of the war... such as all the services and medical treatment our wounded serviceman are going to need...I believe the #'s indicate this war is really a $3 trillion war...
And who is paying for it?
Answer is not us... its China, India, UAE and whatever other country we are borrowing from.. and who pays for that.... Everybody under 40.
Tell me what sense does it make for the richest country on Earth to borrow from third world countries or 2nd tier countries? We are fighting a war that we can't even pay for.
 
ruaround

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2536456
I was wondering what you were doing on a political thread. Did you have to pause guitar hero and DVR the race to chime in here?

i love to read these threads... its very comical how ya all think youre right and start in on each other...
these war/political threads in a nut shell:
my links are better...
no my quotes are better...
well i know what im talking about...
well youre dumb and im the only one who knows...
well read this article its from a reliable source...
this source is more proven...
i agree with only the people that agree with me and refuse to read what anyone who disagrees with me...
well youre an idiot...
i know you are but what am i...
im right cuz my political views are not flawed...
well jesus says im right...
ohh ya well his dad told me i was right...
repeat above on page 2, 3, 4, 5, etc etc...
 
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