Computer HELP....

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jstdv8

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i always buy mine the day after thanksgiving on the big sales, get a decent desktop for like 250 bucks with a monitor.
I don't think the processors are that big of a deal unless you get a really nice computer that you plan on upgrading, like flower said they will all be obsolete very soon and you'll be looking for another one in 2-3 years.
Any processor should be able to do that short term time no problem.
IMO the best thing to look for is RAM, I can't fill up even half of a small hard drive with all my pictures, music, files ect so HD's to me arent that big of a deal, they are all really large these days. processor speed is also something that these things are so rediculously fast now that i don't even look at that anymore, used to be a big deal. now i don't know if you can tell the difference between one that was 2 year old model and todays.
I have 6 GB ram in my desktop and that thing flies. its an HP I got for 250 with a nice flat screen 22" samsung moitor the day oafter thanksgiving 2 years ago.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help#post_3333793
I buy the majority of my computer gear from Newegg. Great support and fast shipping.
As far as processing power - go with a Dual-Core at minimum. Quad-Core is all the rage right now, but if all you are doing is surfing the Net and using applications like Office, it's overkill. The more memory/RAM the better. Also want a video card that has its own memory, and doesn't share the system memory. Disk is also cheap. Stay away from any box that comes preinstalled with Vista. Windows XP is solid, but Windows 7 has more/better bells and whistles.
How much do you want to spend for a new computer and monitor? What's the smallest monitor you would want (17", 19", 22" or 24")? I've been doing computers for over 30 years. Give me your budget, and I'll find something to fit your needs.
All we do is e-mail, surf swf
, my husband watchs Dallas Cowboys interviews....really not a heck of a lot
monitor...hmmm....minimum 17", definitely want a cd burner/player, sound (LOL), I was hoping to find one under $450

The compaq at Walmart is on sale for $380.....
 

dragonzim

Active Member
Stay away from Vista.. Windows 7 seems really good so far. Like others said, get the most powerful machine you can afford for what you want to spend. Brand doesnt matter so much anymore like it used to. I am Dell person at work, where I have about 10 Dell servers and 75 or so Dell desktoplaptops. That Compaq deal at Best Buy looks nice though. For a home user, that doesnt have a whole lot of experience with computer repair I would lean more towards buying a machine locally at some place that has some type of tech support, like Best Buy. Dont think I would EVER buy a computer at Walmart.
As far as processors go, IMO, AMD is just as good as Intel. RAM is important but keep an eye on whether the operating system you are getting is 32 bit or 64 bit. I think that Windows 7 still comes in both flavors. If you get a 32 bit operating system the OS can't see more than 4gb of RAM, so getting more is just wasting your money. If you get the 64 bit version, it can see more than 4gb RAM
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions#
 

monsinour

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OMG, is there no one here who is actually offering good advice?
Well, in a way you all really are, but the advice is coming from what you do with your machines. The actuall good advice i have seen is to go the manu directly, and asking what she does with her PC.
So humor me for just a minute so I can explain how the thing works and what the different pieces are.
Imagine you are working in an office behind a desk (as meowzer actually does). You have a desk, a filling cabinet, a phone, and you. In order to actually do work, you have to pull files out of the filling cabinet and place them on the top of your desk. You then might have to call someone to confirm/alter the numbers on the files you see infront of you. Sond familar to anyone yet? So lets make the analagy complete.
The person doing all of the paper pushing, getting the files out of the filing cabinet, making the phone call, excetera is the same thing as a processor. IF there were 2 of you working your job, it would get done faster yes? So by all means get a dual core processor, ONLY if you are going to be working on or in programs that would actually take full advantage of this tecnology. How do I know if I am doing this? Well, there are a few ways to see this. Open up task manager on your machine and click on the processes tab. Then click on view -> select columns. In the box that comes up, check the box for threads. Threads can be thought of as individual requests to the processor to actually do something. Whether that is open a file, make a calculation, or just sit there. Any program with lots of open threads would take advantage of a dual core processor. As an example, here is a list from my machine with just this website open:

As you can see the process for actually running all the services on the machine has the most threads. I have a P4 2.6 GHz single core processor (the machine itself is more than 8 years old) and the thing is working along just fine processor wise.
If you havent figured it out, the filling cabinet is the hard drive of the computer. It is where things get stored for safe keeping. Obviously the bigger the more you can store. HOWEVER, how long does it take to open the filing cabinet if the drawers are rusty and hard to open. The fastest processor in the world cannot compensate for a slow hard drive. When Picking out a machine, not that you might be able to find it in the spec sheets, but look for a Hard Drive with a high RPM for the disks. The cheap, basic ones spin at 5400 RPMs. When I got this machine 8 years ago, I spent an extra $10 to get the same size HD at 7200 RPMs. The speed inhancement is tremendous. I think you can get decent sized hard drives that spin at 9600 RPMs or so. Just try like heck to stay away from 5400 RPMs.
And yes, the top of the desk is your memory, or RAM. the larger, and more importantly faster, your RAM the better your machine will actually run. Again, when I got this machine it only had 256 MB of ram and since then I have added to it to make it 1 GB of ram. This is the max for my machine as the motherboard cannot accept any more. As someone pointed out, you do want to stay away from shared memory. Ideally you want the video card to have its own memory on the video card.
So what does the machine look like with office 2007, photoshop, and IE open all at the same time? I will show you.

As you can see, word, excel, and photoshop are open. the biggest hog of the processor is still the service control program, the biggest memory hog is still IE.
So Meowzer, and anyone else reading along, take a look at what you do and how you do it. IF all you use your machine for is checking your email, making MP3s of your CDs that you bought, writing things in word or doing work in excel, and posting on message boards, you dont need a super duper machine. IF you plan on playing video games then you really will need a super duper machine. Since money is of the issue, save money where you can. Be sure to get as much RAM as you can, stay away from slow RPM hard drives, and as far as processors go, it really doesnt make that much of a difference. I personally would get a dual core processor just because they are so cheap. Almost any thing you buy will come with a cd/DVD burner and a NIC (Network Interface Card). While almost all the parts are the same, can we really say that all the protien skimmers that use needle wheel tech are the same? Can we say that all skimmers that use venturi injection the same? Its all the same parts, right?
And yes Meowzer, I would go to Dell's website and check out the refurb section for an excellent deal.
 
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jstdv8

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Well, that sounds an aweful lot like my post except without the technical stuff.
I think most of the comps out there today are dual core though.
that why i love the sale comps. You don't need anything fancy to balance yuor checkbook and surf the new at very fast speeds. any new comp out there will do that.
it always used to be a reliabilty issue in the past becuase comps were $2500.00 for a basic model. now that they can be had for a couple hundred dollars they don't have to last forever as people generally don't mind spending 300-500 every few years to upgrade to a new comp.
Stupid packard bell Legend was my first real computer (not counting the commodor 64, my watch has more power than that thing had)
had 14.4 baud modem, dos, windows 3.11 prolly 16 MB ram and a 100 MB hard drive and this thing was 2500.00
At the time Northwest Airlines had a server center that span an entire city block in Minneapolis and was one of the most sophisticated computers of its kind in the US. Now the comps we get for 300 bucks are hundreds of times (if not more) more powerful than that super computer that took up a city block and it fits under our desk. Heck, our cell phones have more power than they did ehhehehehe
 

meowzer

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So is that a NO on the Compaq for $380

we are not hi-tech here.....just swf, and some news clips
 
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jstdv8

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ive bought 3 laptops from Wal-mart and never had any issues with any of them.
As a matter of fact my wife just bought an HP from there she didn't care for becuase the buttons for the scroll were a little weird so she brought it back and they gave her her money back.
I told her there is no way they will let you return an opned and somewhat used laptop but they did.
She bought an ASUS from Officedepot or soemthing instead.
I don't see why buying from wal-mart would be any different than anywhere else.
 

2quills

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OH come on!!! There's nothin to it! What is it...a tower, mother board, processor, HD, couple of disk drives, a fan or two, some cool led lighting, maybe a good graphics card and a power supply...what else am I missing? Throw it all together then add in some software and you're good to go.
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help/20#post_3333930
ive bought 3 laptops from Wal-mart and never had any issues with any of them.
As a matter of fact my wife just bought an HP from there she didn't care for becuase the buttons for the scroll were a little weird so she brought it back and they gave her her money back.
I told her there is no way they will let you return an opned and somewhat used laptop but they did.
She bought an ASUS from Officedepot or soemthing instead.
I don't see why buying from wal-mart would be any different than anywhere else.
Walmart does have an AWESOME return policy. 30 days with your receipt and I recommend keeping the packaging. I can't believe I just used the words awesome and wal mart in the same sentence. Now, I don't purchase lap tops or computers from there since I had two bad experiences with the products I purchased. The first lap top did not want to turn on, was extremely slow and a few other issues. The second was a product that was returned by someone else and put back out for sale with nothing stating it was a return. I had paid for a brand new lap top and I did have an issue with returning it, but it got resolved since I returned it the same day I returned it.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help/20#post_3333956
OH come on!!! There's nothin to it! What is it...a tower, mother board, processor, HD, couple of disk drives, a fan or two, some cool led lighting, maybe a good graphics card and a power supply...what else am I missing? Throw it all together then add in some software and you're good to go.

LOL...OMG...I was thinking you meant tower, and monitor from seperate places...not all the freakin components
forget this.....I may just order the darn compaq for $380....i I use my Walmart card I get no interest for 12 months
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help/20#post_3333967
LOL...OMG...I was thinking you meant tower, and monitor from seperate places...not all the freakin components
forget this.....I may just order the darn compaq for $380....i I use my Walmart card I get no interest for 12 months

Sorry I didn't catch the whole thread but I'm going to assume you're looking for a laptop. I've had Dell, Toshiba, and HP laptops...and out of the 3 I'd have to say that HP has served me the best so far. If you're just looking for something to do the basics with then I don't see much need to go with anything terribly expensive.
 

flower

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I have a Compaq laptop..the only thing it's good for is that I can be mobile. The Asus or Acer is a good computer from NewEgg...spend $500.00 to $600.00 for a really nice computer and they have some refurbished you can take a look at.
 

meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help/20#post_3333971
Sorry I didn't catch the whole thread but I'm going to assume you're looking for a laptop. I've had Dell, Toshiba, and HP laptops...and out of the 3 I'd have to say that HP has served me the best so far. If you're just looking for something to do the basics with then I don't see much need to go with anything terribly expensive.
Actually a desktop....I have a laptop....my desktop is the 8 1/2 year old computer LOL
My laptaop is a compaq and I love it
 

scott t

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Meowzer, I have bought all my computers from Wal-Mart and never had a problem. I have 10 yo HP that works like a charm that is in the living room. I Have a compaq Lap top from there that is 4 years old that I have had not one issue with, the computer I am on now is an eMachine had it for 1.5 years and working at top performance. At work when we moved our office the Dentist that I work for bought all new Dell Desk tops, after the first week 2 of them had to go back because of issues. They are all just basic Dell computers and then do not work as well as my computers at home.. Yes we run from a slave server that BTW is an HP that he has had for 5 years.. So you make your choice of what is the best and where to get it from.. I would say that if you go with the one from Wal-Mart you should be fine. Like I said I have had not problems with computers from there.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/382190/computer-help/20#post_3333978
Actually a desktop....I have a laptop....my desktop is the 8 1/2 year old computer LOL
My laptaop is a compaq and I love it

LOL..I just like my desktop best. it's older but not by much. The desktop runs new vista and trhe laptop runs Windows 7...IMO there is very little difference in the OS
 

meowzer

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LOL...OOPS....the compaq for $380 is from Best Buy

BUT if it was at Walmart, I would not have an issue buying from there
 
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