coralcrazy
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Your right this thread has become a monster!!! Tizzo it has become your small platform!!
Democrat or Republican?
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tizzo
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Then I will hafta switch sides!! That's the difference between arguing and debating, with arguing you present your own opinions with debating you simply put the opposing view on the table to be discussed... I wish my friends and family understood that. I shoulda been a lawyer, but then again, Tangman woulda hated me and we'd never get to ride together!! LOL
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by coralcrazy
Your right this thread has become a monster!!! Tizzo it has become your small platform!!
I have a platform?? Cool!! But it's small, that's not cool... Oh well. :joy:
Time to set it right coralcrazy, Dem. or Rep??
I am done.
Your right this thread has become a monster!!! Tizzo it has become your small platform!!
I have a platform?? Cool!! But it's small, that's not cool... Oh well. :joy:
Time to set it right coralcrazy, Dem. or Rep??
I am done.
tangman99
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Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Hold on, going off topic. Something is extremely wrong here.
Working on a second Doctrine.
A minor in Government
Well versed in the bible
Served in the Navy and spent three months in Iraq
Holds down a Job
Mother held three jobs with no father around.
All of this by the age of 21?!?!?!!?!?
Jer4916, Doogie Howser has nothing on you. Can you give us a timeline on how this is remotely possible. I am sorry, I base people's opinions on their credibility. This doesn't seem credible or possible to me, so it is difficult for myself to take any arguement or stance you present seriously. Especially, since you claim to use defenses and examples in your own life to make your point.
Did I just do a political manuever?
I don't doubt him at all. A friend of mine was the same way. He graduated from College at 14 but decided he liked exstacy better than school. He is very smart, but he jumped into life too young and it hit him real hard. I've lost track of him but he was definitely a prodigy.
Hold on, going off topic. Something is extremely wrong here.
Working on a second Doctrine.
A minor in Government
Well versed in the bible
Served in the Navy and spent three months in Iraq
Holds down a Job
Mother held three jobs with no father around.
All of this by the age of 21?!?!?!!?!?
Jer4916, Doogie Howser has nothing on you. Can you give us a timeline on how this is remotely possible. I am sorry, I base people's opinions on their credibility. This doesn't seem credible or possible to me, so it is difficult for myself to take any arguement or stance you present seriously. Especially, since you claim to use defenses and examples in your own life to make your point.
Did I just do a political manuever?
I don't doubt him at all. A friend of mine was the same way. He graduated from College at 14 but decided he liked exstacy better than school. He is very smart, but he jumped into life too young and it hit him real hard. I've lost track of him but he was definitely a prodigy.
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by nikolai
Damn... I've created a monster. lol.
Anyway, I think the flat tax is not fair. The rich need to be taxed more, and the "trickle down" effect is a myth. I am also pro choice and gay marriage. Just putting that out there.
BRING ON THE FLAT TAX ANYDAY! Dude, I'm not rich but like in my previous post, I pay a ton in taxes. Talk about not fair? I have 2 kids, but I don't get any child credit, I can't claim daycare expenses (use cafeteria plan for the max I can get), and my deductions are decreased all because of my income. A flat percentage is very fair.
10% of 25,000 is $2500.00
10% of $250,000 is $25,000.00
What in the heck is not fair about that?
Damn... I've created a monster. lol.
Anyway, I think the flat tax is not fair. The rich need to be taxed more, and the "trickle down" effect is a myth. I am also pro choice and gay marriage. Just putting that out there.
BRING ON THE FLAT TAX ANYDAY! Dude, I'm not rich but like in my previous post, I pay a ton in taxes. Talk about not fair? I have 2 kids, but I don't get any child credit, I can't claim daycare expenses (use cafeteria plan for the max I can get), and my deductions are decreased all because of my income. A flat percentage is very fair.
10% of 25,000 is $2500.00
10% of $250,000 is $25,000.00
What in the heck is not fair about that?
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
Then I will hafta switch sides!! That's the difference between arguing and debating, with arguing you present your own opinions with debating you simply put the opposing view on the table to be discussed... I wish my friends and family understood that. I shoulda been a lawyer, but then again, Tangman woulda hated me and we'd never get to ride together!! LOL
Tizzo,
I could never hate you. Your a sweetheart. I forgot you rode. Who knows. We might just ride together some time.
Oh, just noticed the poll. Republicans are winning! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
Then I will hafta switch sides!! That's the difference between arguing and debating, with arguing you present your own opinions with debating you simply put the opposing view on the table to be discussed... I wish my friends and family understood that. I shoulda been a lawyer, but then again, Tangman woulda hated me and we'd never get to ride together!! LOL
Tizzo,
I could never hate you. Your a sweetheart. I forgot you rode. Who knows. We might just ride together some time.
Oh, just noticed the poll. Republicans are winning! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
jer4916
Active Member
Yay for the republicans...lol
Tizzo i focused on his spirit not the money. Money was something i didn't even see in that paragraph, i saw a man (no offence) that is lost, and i cared for his soul...since im not by his side to sit down with him and talk to him about my faith in the lord and find out where he is...only advice i can truely give him is to read his bible on his own..and if he has questions, to ask me. Nothing more i can do. I will pray for him. Money is not an issue..i could care less how much money someone gives or takes in...as long as the money is going to missionaries..etc then im happy...but in reguards to giving...our church doesn't take money from people in a little dish...we have a case in the back and when people feel like giving they do...wether it be every sunday, or every service...its what god lays upon them...not the preacher.
~chris
Preachers job is to spread Gods word, and focus on his flock. Not suck them dry for money, and i cry for those churchs who are making people give money...thats not even close to the point of offerings
Tizzo i focused on his spirit not the money. Money was something i didn't even see in that paragraph, i saw a man (no offence) that is lost, and i cared for his soul...since im not by his side to sit down with him and talk to him about my faith in the lord and find out where he is...only advice i can truely give him is to read his bible on his own..and if he has questions, to ask me. Nothing more i can do. I will pray for him. Money is not an issue..i could care less how much money someone gives or takes in...as long as the money is going to missionaries..etc then im happy...but in reguards to giving...our church doesn't take money from people in a little dish...we have a case in the back and when people feel like giving they do...wether it be every sunday, or every service...its what god lays upon them...not the preacher.
~chris
Preachers job is to spread Gods word, and focus on his flock. Not suck them dry for money, and i cry for those churchs who are making people give money...thats not even close to the point of offerings
darth tang
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Thanks for clearing that up Jer. I was just having a hard doing the math.
darth tang
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Ok, Back to the many topics.
What are the views in here on Clinton running for President?
I feel she will run. The Clintons are still prominent in the Political world. They still have a lot of influence. Besides, she wouldn't be up against an incumbent. I feel she is the strongest person in the Democratic Party for President. Watch what she has said and done lately. She has started talking about faith values like she actually holds them dear to her heart. I however don't believe her as her and her Husbands past history regarding faith in this country are completely opposite of what she is now speaking about. I see see her Grandstanding right now setting her ducks in a row for the 2008 Race. She didn't run last year because she knows she will have a better chance not running against an incumbent. There have only been four or five ( I can't remeber) Presidents in our countries history that didn't serve a second term and win re-election. So her odds last year weren't as high as they will be in 2008.
The Clinton Family is a Political Dynamo. They always want the Limelight. Bill can't get it again, but with Hilary in office, they are at the forefront again. Besides, who else does the Democratic party have with as much name recognition, personal appeal, or Power.
I believe she would be a terrible President however.
OK Jer, I gotta stop you, or slow you down rather... Lemme be honest with you here, if your going to be a pastor you really need to hone your people skills. Tangman said he doesn't give to churches because he believes most of them to be ill intentioned. A better response would have been something like, what the church does with the money is not our concern. We give as a way of saying thanks for our blessings and once it's out of our hands we put it in God's hands.
I give (or rather we give) 10% to not a church, but a christian radio station, since we are not members of a church. But once the check is in the mail, my part is done. Not my part as in my obligated part, but my part as in, I said thanks, that's it. Where it goes after it leaves my mailbox is not something I worry about. If it's being illused, it doesn't change why I gave it and the fact that I gave it. OK, that's just me.
I have to disagree. It is your duty as a Person to make sure the money you tithe is used for a good purpose. If you don't, you may inadvertently fund something harmful to society. What if the money you tithe was funneled to a terrorist organization? It has been the case in the past we have found out. By never checking into what your money goes for you inadvertently fund an "evil" action and organization. Thus furthering the promotion of death and destruction. Something God isn't to big on the way I understand it.
Let me put it to you this way. Your water bill is due. You give your payment of the bill to your Postman or woman. Is your end of the bargain done? Have you done your part if the Mailman doesn't deliver the mail? What happens if the Payment never makes it to the Water Company?
Thank you all for your time.
What are the views in here on Clinton running for President?
I feel she will run. The Clintons are still prominent in the Political world. They still have a lot of influence. Besides, she wouldn't be up against an incumbent. I feel she is the strongest person in the Democratic Party for President. Watch what she has said and done lately. She has started talking about faith values like she actually holds them dear to her heart. I however don't believe her as her and her Husbands past history regarding faith in this country are completely opposite of what she is now speaking about. I see see her Grandstanding right now setting her ducks in a row for the 2008 Race. She didn't run last year because she knows she will have a better chance not running against an incumbent. There have only been four or five ( I can't remeber) Presidents in our countries history that didn't serve a second term and win re-election. So her odds last year weren't as high as they will be in 2008.
The Clinton Family is a Political Dynamo. They always want the Limelight. Bill can't get it again, but with Hilary in office, they are at the forefront again. Besides, who else does the Democratic party have with as much name recognition, personal appeal, or Power.
I believe she would be a terrible President however.
OK Jer, I gotta stop you, or slow you down rather... Lemme be honest with you here, if your going to be a pastor you really need to hone your people skills. Tangman said he doesn't give to churches because he believes most of them to be ill intentioned. A better response would have been something like, what the church does with the money is not our concern. We give as a way of saying thanks for our blessings and once it's out of our hands we put it in God's hands.
I give (or rather we give) 10% to not a church, but a christian radio station, since we are not members of a church. But once the check is in the mail, my part is done. Not my part as in my obligated part, but my part as in, I said thanks, that's it. Where it goes after it leaves my mailbox is not something I worry about. If it's being illused, it doesn't change why I gave it and the fact that I gave it. OK, that's just me.
I have to disagree. It is your duty as a Person to make sure the money you tithe is used for a good purpose. If you don't, you may inadvertently fund something harmful to society. What if the money you tithe was funneled to a terrorist organization? It has been the case in the past we have found out. By never checking into what your money goes for you inadvertently fund an "evil" action and organization. Thus furthering the promotion of death and destruction. Something God isn't to big on the way I understand it.
Let me put it to you this way. Your water bill is due. You give your payment of the bill to your Postman or woman. Is your end of the bargain done? Have you done your part if the Mailman doesn't deliver the mail? What happens if the Payment never makes it to the Water Company?
Thank you all for your time.
fishmamma
Active Member
I only got so far, Maestro this is for you!
This country is a Republic, not a Democracy. We practice democracy in the sense we vote to elect local officials to represent us through their votes. That is why the popular vote does not decide the President. We the people vote and our electoral college is then hopefully going to vote with the popular majority, but the final decision is up to them, not us.
This country is a Republic, not a Democracy. We practice democracy in the sense we vote to elect local officials to represent us through their votes. That is why the popular vote does not decide the President. We the people vote and our electoral college is then hopefully going to vote with the popular majority, but the final decision is up to them, not us.
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osufarker
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Originally Posted by WHO DEY
hmmmm clinton made economy great? I'm thinking he's taking credit for what Bush senior did for the economy. effects usually appear a term later. When i say hmmmmm maybe i should say huuuummmmmmer
I hear this constantly from Republicans trying to discredit Clinton and it is complete bunk. There is no great "delay" as Republicans suggest. Clinton's second term was more prosperous, so by your logic of a "one term delay" the economic boom was due to Clinton's work in the first term not HW Bush. The markets react fairly quickly to changes in US Economic policy.
I don't like taxes anymore than the next guy, but anyone that pays bills every month knows that you have to be able to pay for what you have. Bush spends money like a spoiled teenage girl with daddy's credit card.
I wish the real conservatives would take back the Republican party. Not the "push our Christian social values on everyone" conservatives, but the "we ain't spending a dime if we don't have to, we need a smaller government" conservatives.
Clinton for all his faults, was a moderate to conservative economist that understood how to balance a budget.
hmmmm clinton made economy great? I'm thinking he's taking credit for what Bush senior did for the economy. effects usually appear a term later. When i say hmmmmm maybe i should say huuuummmmmmer
I hear this constantly from Republicans trying to discredit Clinton and it is complete bunk. There is no great "delay" as Republicans suggest. Clinton's second term was more prosperous, so by your logic of a "one term delay" the economic boom was due to Clinton's work in the first term not HW Bush. The markets react fairly quickly to changes in US Economic policy.
I don't like taxes anymore than the next guy, but anyone that pays bills every month knows that you have to be able to pay for what you have. Bush spends money like a spoiled teenage girl with daddy's credit card.
I wish the real conservatives would take back the Republican party. Not the "push our Christian social values on everyone" conservatives, but the "we ain't spending a dime if we don't have to, we need a smaller government" conservatives.
Clinton for all his faults, was a moderate to conservative economist that understood how to balance a budget.
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osufarker
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Originally Posted by Tizzo
Their government blew up our twin towers!!! They killed over 5000 americans!!! They torture their own people, and some of you don't think we should be over there???
Get your facts straight. "Their government" (Iraq) had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11 that were orchestrated by Al Qaeda operating out of Afghanistan. This was known before the war and was confirmed by the 9/11 commission and several members of congress both republican and democrat.
The war in Iraq has needlessly shifted resources away from the war on terrorism including finding bin Laden. This is how the current administration won a second term, by spreading misinformation that was bought hook, line, and sinker by much of the public (and congress prewar for that matter).
Here is a little comic gold from the 9/11 briefings:
RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Now, the...
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.
RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...
BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...
RICE: I would like to finish my point here.
BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.
RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.
BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.
RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States."
Their government blew up our twin towers!!! They killed over 5000 americans!!! They torture their own people, and some of you don't think we should be over there???
Get your facts straight. "Their government" (Iraq) had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11 that were orchestrated by Al Qaeda operating out of Afghanistan. This was known before the war and was confirmed by the 9/11 commission and several members of congress both republican and democrat.
The war in Iraq has needlessly shifted resources away from the war on terrorism including finding bin Laden. This is how the current administration won a second term, by spreading misinformation that was bought hook, line, and sinker by much of the public (and congress prewar for that matter).
Here is a little comic gold from the 9/11 briefings:
RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.
BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?
RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."
Now, the...
BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.
RICE: No, Mr. Ben-Veniste...
BEN-VENISTE: I will get into the...
RICE: I would like to finish my point here.
BEN-VENISTE: I didn't know there was a point.
RICE: Given that -- you asked me whether or not it warned of attacks.
BEN-VENISTE: I asked you what the title was.
RICE: You said, did it not warn of attacks. It did not warn of attacks inside the United States. It was historical information based on old reporting. There was no new threat information. And it did not, in fact, warn of any coming attacks inside the United States."
darth tang
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I hear this constantly from Republicans trying to discredit Clinton and it is complete bunk. There is no great "delay" as Republicans suggest. Clinton's second term was more prosperous, so by your logic of a "one term delay" the economic boom was due to Clinton's work in the first term not HW Bush. The markets react fairly quickly to changes in US Economic policy.
Would someone please elaborate on Clinton's Policy he got passed or enacted that stimulated the Economy and caused it to boom? I hear this claim all the time, but no one has ever elaborated on why it was his doing............................
Would someone please elaborate on Clinton's Policy he got passed or enacted that stimulated the Economy and caused it to boom? I hear this claim all the time, but no one has ever elaborated on why it was his doing............................
kinetic180
Member
Just curious, Jer4916 what are the titles of both of your dissertations?
farmboy
Active Member
Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Would someone please elaborate on Clinton's Policy he got passed or enacted that stimulated the Economy and caused it to boom? I hear this claim all the time, but no one has ever elaborated on why it was his doing............................
Cut the defense budget.. . . . .cut some more. . . = $$$
Would someone please elaborate on Clinton's Policy he got passed or enacted that stimulated the Economy and caused it to boom? I hear this claim all the time, but no one has ever elaborated on why it was his doing............................
Cut the defense budget.. . . . .cut some more. . . = $$$
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jer4916
Just like you i've been to ALOT of churches that are out in left field, and i've also met alot of so called " pastors " that are as anti-god as a murder..they just have different uses of there own evil...goes hand in hand with " be watchful of false prophets for they come in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves." .... i wouldn't let some bad ministers ruin your relationship with Christ, i would say you need to sit down with your Bible and no one else and just read. Then after your studied ....find a church...odds are if yo uread your bible you will continue to find HORRIBLE churchs...someday you'll find a bible beliving church...but again...thats why there are HUGE differences between baptists,lutherans,catholics,meth, etc. they all have different doctrines. I would be considered a Fundamental Baptist. I've studied other " christian " religions ...some have good points others dont...but fact of the matter is with out Christ, your lost my friend...and you'll deal with eternity in hell thinking about it...i would atleast read your bible before you send yourself to hell....
Saying this out of love, not to argue.
~chris
Email me if you ever need someone to show you some verses.
chrisreistroffer@gmail.com
Jer,
Thanks for the concern and prayers, but I'm just fine exactly as I am. I never said I did not believe in God or Christ as my savior. I simply said that I have no use for religion. My beliefs and my relationship with God is between God and myself. I don't need a middleman. I've read the bible from cover to cover but won't pretend to understand everything I've read. I've had a really blessed life in that I have a wonderful family, 2 beautiful healthy children and my health. Overall, I think God is pretty happy with the person I've become. I can't help but believe he looks down at times and just shakes his head in disappointment at what some of his churches have become.
If I choose to go back to church, it will be a Catholic church. One, because I'm catholic and two because of all the churches I have attended, I like their church best.
Just like you i've been to ALOT of churches that are out in left field, and i've also met alot of so called " pastors " that are as anti-god as a murder..they just have different uses of there own evil...goes hand in hand with " be watchful of false prophets for they come in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves." .... i wouldn't let some bad ministers ruin your relationship with Christ, i would say you need to sit down with your Bible and no one else and just read. Then after your studied ....find a church...odds are if yo uread your bible you will continue to find HORRIBLE churchs...someday you'll find a bible beliving church...but again...thats why there are HUGE differences between baptists,lutherans,catholics,meth, etc. they all have different doctrines. I would be considered a Fundamental Baptist. I've studied other " christian " religions ...some have good points others dont...but fact of the matter is with out Christ, your lost my friend...and you'll deal with eternity in hell thinking about it...i would atleast read your bible before you send yourself to hell....
Saying this out of love, not to argue.
~chris
Email me if you ever need someone to show you some verses.
chrisreistroffer@gmail.com
Jer,
Thanks for the concern and prayers, but I'm just fine exactly as I am. I never said I did not believe in God or Christ as my savior. I simply said that I have no use for religion. My beliefs and my relationship with God is between God and myself. I don't need a middleman. I've read the bible from cover to cover but won't pretend to understand everything I've read. I've had a really blessed life in that I have a wonderful family, 2 beautiful healthy children and my health. Overall, I think God is pretty happy with the person I've become. I can't help but believe he looks down at times and just shakes his head in disappointment at what some of his churches have become.
If I choose to go back to church, it will be a Catholic church. One, because I'm catholic and two because of all the churches I have attended, I like their church best.