Dinosaurs and the Bible
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1journeyman
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I wonder how long it's going to be before the Democrats start blaming President Bush on losing the Moon?
jaymz
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2508749
Then I would ask why you believe you have a soul to begin with?
Just because the christian book uses the word soul doesnt mean they own it and anyone who believes in a soul is believing something christian. Do you also own the words miracle and arc. There are plenty of different beliefs out there that incorporate the idea of a soul. "Mutant Message down under" is a good book about that has a great example of this. short read
http:///forum/post/2508749
Then I would ask why you believe you have a soul to begin with?
Just because the christian book uses the word soul doesnt mean they own it and anyone who believes in a soul is believing something christian. Do you also own the words miracle and arc. There are plenty of different beliefs out there that incorporate the idea of a soul. "Mutant Message down under" is a good book about that has a great example of this. short read
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Jaymz
http:///forum/post/2508751
Im not atheist. Atheism is the religion of not being religous.
No, not really.
Atheism, from the greek, atheos. (theos=god, a=without).
Literally, Without god. Not that it matters. You said religion has brought nothing but war and death. I pointed out many tangible examples where religion brings life, hope and happiness.
Whatever your belief system is, I'll happily compare it's list of success stories to the "organized religion's" that you seem to think has done nothing good.
http:///forum/post/2508751
Im not atheist. Atheism is the religion of not being religous.
No, not really.
Atheism, from the greek, atheos. (theos=god, a=without).
Literally, Without god. Not that it matters. You said religion has brought nothing but war and death. I pointed out many tangible examples where religion brings life, hope and happiness.
Whatever your belief system is, I'll happily compare it's list of success stories to the "organized religion's" that you seem to think has done nothing good.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2508753
I wonder how long it's going to be before the Democrats start blaming President Bush on losing the Moon?
They forget that the Moon started moving away during the Carter administration.
http:///forum/post/2508753
I wonder how long it's going to be before the Democrats start blaming President Bush on losing the Moon?
They forget that the Moon started moving away during the Carter administration.
clown boy
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jaymz
http:///forum/post/2508751
Im not atheist. Atheism is the religion of not being religous.
There is no person in the entire world who is not religious. Even if you claim to be, you still have to have faith that there was a soup in some warm ocean that happened to come to life millions of years ago.....
http:///forum/post/2508751
Im not atheist. Atheism is the religion of not being religous.
There is no person in the entire world who is not religious. Even if you claim to be, you still have to have faith that there was a soup in some warm ocean that happened to come to life millions of years ago.....
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jaymz
http:///forum/post/2508759
Just because the christian book uses the word soul doesnt mean they own it and anyone who believes in a soul is believing something christian. Do you also own the words miracle and arc. There are plenty of different beliefs out there that incorporate the idea of a soul. "Mutant Message down under" is a good book about that has a great example of this. short read
Ahh, true, but you also said:
Originally Posted by jaymz
Everything is questionable and not truley able to be proven except for math...
I assume that applies to the existence of a soul as well.
I'm enjoying this conversation, but Ironically I must go to church. I'll join back later.
http:///forum/post/2508759
Just because the christian book uses the word soul doesnt mean they own it and anyone who believes in a soul is believing something christian. Do you also own the words miracle and arc. There are plenty of different beliefs out there that incorporate the idea of a soul. "Mutant Message down under" is a good book about that has a great example of this. short read
Ahh, true, but you also said:
Originally Posted by jaymz
Everything is questionable and not truley able to be proven except for math...
I assume that applies to the existence of a soul as well.
I'm enjoying this conversation, but Ironically I must go to church. I'll join back later.
reefreak29
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idk if this was mentioned but there is talk anout dinos in the old testament
geridoc
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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2508723
A couple tens of thousands of years at 1" per year is about 500 yards. So instead of 238,856.95 miles away like it is now it used to be 238,856.65 miles away. Somehow I don't think that would make a significant difference on the tides.
Got anymore "facts"?
Of course, that assumes that the recession of the moon is proceeding today at the same pace as it did in the past. Studies of tidal rhymicities make it pretty clear that the rate today is extraordinarily rapid, and that in the past the recession was only a small fraction of what it is now.
http:///forum/post/2508723
A couple tens of thousands of years at 1" per year is about 500 yards. So instead of 238,856.95 miles away like it is now it used to be 238,856.65 miles away. Somehow I don't think that would make a significant difference on the tides.
Got anymore "facts"?
Of course, that assumes that the recession of the moon is proceeding today at the same pace as it did in the past. Studies of tidal rhymicities make it pretty clear that the rate today is extraordinarily rapid, and that in the past the recession was only a small fraction of what it is now.
salty blues
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2508739
I saw the depressions, no problem. The dinosaur track looks like a dinosaur track. I just didn't personally think the human footprint looked like a human footprint.
It does make for a brisk tourism industry though.
http:///forum/post/2508739
I saw the depressions, no problem. The dinosaur track looks like a dinosaur track. I just didn't personally think the human footprint looked like a human footprint.
It does make for a brisk tourism industry though.
jaymz
Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2508760
No, not really.
Literally, Without god. Not that it matters. You said religion has brought nothing but war and death. I pointed out many tangible examples where religion brings life, hope and happiness.
Wow going to the greek literals. I didnt know we were getting to the nitty gritty. By saying Atheism is the religion of being not religious I meant that is what it has turned into. Atheist can be just as fanatical as all the rest of the religous extremist.
And I said religion on a WORLD WIDE SCALE has brought nothing but war and death. Like when when the power house religions collide causing war. And isnt that what most war is based on. Ones beliefs on how things should be verses another. And those beliefs are rooted in religion.
Sure the religuos relief programs can throw all the rice, flour, and soup at poor people they want. It doesnt cure anything. It just creates a platform to convert people to what ever religion is giving the hand outs. Most of those 3rd world people are being held down and persecuted by people of another religion, becuase they refuse to convert from thier religion to the religion that is in power. The crusades are constant.
Almost every country in the world has a religion attached to it. And when it wars with another country its generally due to religous conflict. And most civils wars are the same story. The smaller religious sect trying to rise up against the religion in power.
Now we here in the mighty US just dont talk about it. Because we know we are right. We are the new age romans or greeks or persian etc.... one day the europe the US and christianity will fall just like the rest of them and another relgion will take over.
http:///forum/post/2508760
No, not really.
Literally, Without god. Not that it matters. You said religion has brought nothing but war and death. I pointed out many tangible examples where religion brings life, hope and happiness.
Wow going to the greek literals. I didnt know we were getting to the nitty gritty. By saying Atheism is the religion of being not religious I meant that is what it has turned into. Atheist can be just as fanatical as all the rest of the religous extremist.
And I said religion on a WORLD WIDE SCALE has brought nothing but war and death. Like when when the power house religions collide causing war. And isnt that what most war is based on. Ones beliefs on how things should be verses another. And those beliefs are rooted in religion.
Sure the religuos relief programs can throw all the rice, flour, and soup at poor people they want. It doesnt cure anything. It just creates a platform to convert people to what ever religion is giving the hand outs. Most of those 3rd world people are being held down and persecuted by people of another religion, becuase they refuse to convert from thier religion to the religion that is in power. The crusades are constant.
Almost every country in the world has a religion attached to it. And when it wars with another country its generally due to religous conflict. And most civils wars are the same story. The smaller religious sect trying to rise up against the religion in power.
Now we here in the mighty US just dont talk about it. Because we know we are right. We are the new age romans or greeks or persian etc.... one day the europe the US and christianity will fall just like the rest of them and another relgion will take over.
jaymz
Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2508810
idk if this was mentioned but there is talk anout dinos in the old testament
YES! I do enjoy the old testament. Very good read. JUDITH will you be my girl.. Her story is great
http:///forum/post/2508810
idk if this was mentioned but there is talk anout dinos in the old testament
YES! I do enjoy the old testament. Very good read. JUDITH will you be my girl.. Her story is great
dlauber
Member
Originally Posted by sciknen
http:///forum/post/2507666
well i have a few things to say
i went to catholic school for 16 yrs or so
but im atheist or kinda buddhist/wiccan/atheist
here i go
adam n eve( bible says they were the 1st n only people on earth)
ok
they have kids then wat
kids have kids together(
[hr]
) doesnt god say no to that
another thing
men chose what was put into the bible
council of nicean i think
what about all the other gospels
not good enough for god
even tho all of them were written BY MEN not god
i have one huge problem with the church
they are above the law
rapist???? not all pastors some yes
huge coverups
another law
the drinkin age is 21
i drank wine from wen i was 12
illegal yes
but okay religious practice
so if i invent a religion(yes christianity was invented)
that allowed coke use at mass
shud that be allowed????
I have 2 things to say...
First thing: How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you type like that? Seriously.
Second thing: Just because some preachcers/pastors/preists, whoever, did terrible things I dont want to even mention, does not mean that people in that religion think they are above the law.
Some terrible, terrible people took advantage of their position and did those terrible things. Its not as if everyone who wishes to teach religion is hand picked by god himself to make sure they were pure...or whatever...they were just bad people who found that becoming religious teachers would give them opportunities have their sick ways.
And what does you starting a religion that allowed the use of cocain have to do with it? Are you implying that christians think what happened between those kids and preists was ok? If so, maybe you should go back to catholic school.
http:///forum/post/2507666
well i have a few things to say
i went to catholic school for 16 yrs or so
but im atheist or kinda buddhist/wiccan/atheist
here i go
adam n eve( bible says they were the 1st n only people on earth)
ok
they have kids then wat
kids have kids together(
[hr]
) doesnt god say no to that
another thing
men chose what was put into the bible
council of nicean i think
what about all the other gospels
not good enough for god
even tho all of them were written BY MEN not god
i have one huge problem with the church
they are above the law
rapist???? not all pastors some yes
huge coverups
another law
the drinkin age is 21
i drank wine from wen i was 12
illegal yes
but okay religious practice
so if i invent a religion(yes christianity was invented)
that allowed coke use at mass
shud that be allowed????
I have 2 things to say...
First thing: How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you type like that? Seriously.
Second thing: Just because some preachcers/pastors/preists, whoever, did terrible things I dont want to even mention, does not mean that people in that religion think they are above the law.
Some terrible, terrible people took advantage of their position and did those terrible things. Its not as if everyone who wishes to teach religion is hand picked by god himself to make sure they were pure...or whatever...they were just bad people who found that becoming religious teachers would give them opportunities have their sick ways.
And what does you starting a religion that allowed the use of cocain have to do with it? Are you implying that christians think what happened between those kids and preists was ok? If so, maybe you should go back to catholic school.
lexluethar
Active Member
See i'm weird. I was raised catholic and have alwas believed and followed christian morals and values (for the most part). But when it comes to the bible (yes i've read a few times but it was for college, not on my own) i don't believe in everything that it says. Things like adam and eve, noahs arc, things like this. But i do believe in god, and i do believe in jesus christ and that he died for our sins. But the extremes like god destroying an entire city, killing ever man on earth because they were sinners and he wanted to start over, placing ever living animal except unicorns and dragons on an arc to save them from a flood, are things i believe were imbelished or did not happen.
Weird no? Believing in god, and believe in a lot of the teachings of the bible (the morals the values), but the major events like adam and eve i don't believe in...
Weird no? Believing in god, and believe in a lot of the teachings of the bible (the morals the values), but the major events like adam and eve i don't believe in...
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jaymz
http:///forum/post/2508888
And I said religion on a WORLD WIDE SCALE has brought nothing but war and death. Like when when the power house religions collide causing war. And isnt that what most war is based on. Ones beliefs on how things should be verses another. And those beliefs are rooted in religion. .....
Let's look at the 20th century...
WWI- Started with Serbian Seperatists.
WWII- Started when Hitler invaded Poland, onstensibly over Danzig, but in reality equally out of revenge for the severe reperations placed upon them after WWI. In the Pacific, Japan, who had occupied Manchuria in 1931, began a full fledged war with China. When Vichy France surrendered French holdings in SE Asia, Japan joined the Axis. Britain and the USA placed an oil embargo on Japan; Thus Japan began to plan the pearl Harbor attack.
Korea- Communist forces invade South Korea in an attempt to unify the Korean Peninsula
Vietnam- US escalated support to the south Vietnames in an effort to curb Communist forces.
Desert Storm- Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Darfur- Current civil war is not religiously based.
Afghanistan- Definitely could argue the attack was religiously motivated, our reaction and the war, however, certainly not religiously based.
2nd Iraq War- Began when Saddam failed to comply with UN weapons inspectors.
My point, of course, is that when we actually look at history the "religions cause all the wars" statement crumbles.
http:///forum/post/2508888
And I said religion on a WORLD WIDE SCALE has brought nothing but war and death. Like when when the power house religions collide causing war. And isnt that what most war is based on. Ones beliefs on how things should be verses another. And those beliefs are rooted in religion. .....
Let's look at the 20th century...
WWI- Started with Serbian Seperatists.
WWII- Started when Hitler invaded Poland, onstensibly over Danzig, but in reality equally out of revenge for the severe reperations placed upon them after WWI. In the Pacific, Japan, who had occupied Manchuria in 1931, began a full fledged war with China. When Vichy France surrendered French holdings in SE Asia, Japan joined the Axis. Britain and the USA placed an oil embargo on Japan; Thus Japan began to plan the pearl Harbor attack.
Korea- Communist forces invade South Korea in an attempt to unify the Korean Peninsula
Vietnam- US escalated support to the south Vietnames in an effort to curb Communist forces.
Desert Storm- Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Darfur- Current civil war is not religiously based.
Afghanistan- Definitely could argue the attack was religiously motivated, our reaction and the war, however, certainly not religiously based.
2nd Iraq War- Began when Saddam failed to comply with UN weapons inspectors.
My point, of course, is that when we actually look at history the "religions cause all the wars" statement crumbles.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2508761
They forget that the Moon started moving away during the Carter administration.
I bet the weakened gravitational pull allows peanuts to grow better.
http:///forum/post/2508761
They forget that the Moon started moving away during the Carter administration.
I bet the weakened gravitational pull allows peanuts to grow better.
clown boy
Active Member
Originally Posted by LexLuethar
http:///forum/post/2509165
See i'm weird. I was raised catholic and have alwas believed and followed christian morals and values (for the most part). But when it comes to the bible (yes i've read a few times but it was for college, not on my own) i don't believe in everything that it says. Things like adam and eve, noahs arc, things like this. But i do believe in god, and i do believe in jesus christ and that he died for our sins. But the extremes like god destroying an entire city, killing ever man on earth because they were sinners and he wanted to start over, placing ever living animal except unicorns and dragons on an arc to save them from a flood, are things i believe were imbelished or did not happen.
Weird no? Believing in god, and believe in a lot of the teachings of the bible (the morals the values), but the major events like adam and eve i don't believe in...
So you're saying that you believe in God, but you don't believe that he always tells the truth?
Note to Moderators: All you have to do is say the word, and I won't go in this direction any further. Neither will anyone else, right people?
http:///forum/post/2509165
See i'm weird. I was raised catholic and have alwas believed and followed christian morals and values (for the most part). But when it comes to the bible (yes i've read a few times but it was for college, not on my own) i don't believe in everything that it says. Things like adam and eve, noahs arc, things like this. But i do believe in god, and i do believe in jesus christ and that he died for our sins. But the extremes like god destroying an entire city, killing ever man on earth because they were sinners and he wanted to start over, placing ever living animal except unicorns and dragons on an arc to save them from a flood, are things i believe were imbelished or did not happen.
Weird no? Believing in god, and believe in a lot of the teachings of the bible (the morals the values), but the major events like adam and eve i don't believe in...
So you're saying that you believe in God, but you don't believe that he always tells the truth?
Note to Moderators: All you have to do is say the word, and I won't go in this direction any further. Neither will anyone else, right people?
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2509178
I bet the weakened gravitational pull allows peanuts to grow better.
And it helps with brewing Billy Beer.
http:///forum/post/2509178
I bet the weakened gravitational pull allows peanuts to grow better.
And it helps with brewing Billy Beer.
lexluethar
Active Member
No its not that I don't believe he lies, i believe man lies. The bible was written by people who did not even see Jesus's work first hand. John, Luke, Mark - all written 100 - 200 years after Jesus died. I guess that is the NT though, back to the OT which i'm not as familiar with (not like i'm familiar w/ the NT either), i'm just saying those are the only things i have trouble 'believing.' I realize that is'nt how religion and faith work, it isn't a religion of convenience, you really can't just say well i like this but i don't like this.
Guess that is an internal struggle of mine - believe most but some things i have troubles with.
Guess that is an internal struggle of mine - believe most but some things i have troubles with.