Dinosaurs and the Bible

1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by LexLuethar
http:///forum/post/2509613
No its not that I don't believe he lies, i believe man lies. The bible was written by people who did not even see Jesus's work first hand. John, Luke, Mark - all written 100 - 200 years after Jesus died. I guess that is the NT though, back to the OT which i'm not as familiar with (not like i'm familiar w/ the NT either), i'm just saying those are the only things i have trouble 'believing.' I realize that is'nt how religion and faith work, it isn't a religion of convenience, you really can't just say well i like this but i don't like this.
Guess that is an internal struggle of mine - believe most but some things i have troubles with.
Lex,I believe he entire NT was finished by 90ADish. The authors were in fact eye witnesses. That's part of the reason certain books were not included in the Canon later on. Because they were not written by eyewitnesses.
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
http:///forum/post/2508737
Does that matter? You still get the point. If the earth and moon was millions of years old, life couldn't exist.
But the earth-moon system is clearly billions of years old, and life does exist! Now what?
 
lexluethar

lexluethar

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2509627
Lex,I believe he entire NT was finished by 90ADish. The authors were in fact eye witnesses. That's part of the reason certain books were not included in the Canon later on. Because they were not written by eyewitnesses.
THats not what I learned - not saying what i was taught was correct. I thought that the gospels we passed through word of mouth and not actually written down for a few centuries after jesus died.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by LexLuethar
http:///forum/post/2509635
THats not what I learned - not saying what i was taught was correct. I thought that the gospels we passed through word of mouth and not actually written down for a few centuries after jesus died.
Authorship and dating is always going to be debated, but contextually the Gospels were all written before the fall of the Temple in 70AD.
 
lexluethar

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Just to back up what i said a bit, because they couldn't truely write down any scripture or testaments because it would have been a direct violation of the roman law at the time. ALthough they were allowed to practice their own religions, from what i understand they weren't allowed to write down the scripture until later times (200 ad ish). This is just something i learned in a state run school, so it probably doesn't hold much grounds :)
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by LexLuethar
http:///forum/post/2509647
Just to back up what i said a bit, because they couldn't truely write down any scripture or testaments because it would have been a direct violation of the roman law at the time. ALthough they were allowed to practice their own religions, from what i understand they weren't allowed to write down the scripture until later times (200 ad ish). This is just something i learned in a state run school, so it probably doesn't hold much grounds :)
No, I've never heard that before. Besides, lol, the first and second century church were persecuted anyway. Even if there was a law against writing they wouldn't have headed it.
But no, I've never heard of any Roman Law like that.
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2509864
Sorry, but not clear to me.
Then try reading some modern paleontology, astronomy, geology and astrophysics. The concept of a young earth is truly outside of believability, and the age of the earth (and the moon) have been determined in so many different ways, all of which agree, that either the creator of the young earth has a wicked sense of humor, or the earth is really billions of years old. You can believe what you want as a matter of faith, but the science is very clear on this point.
 
clown boy

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2510067
Then try reading some modern paleontology, astronomy, geology and astrophysics. The concept of a young earth is truly outside of believability, and the age of the earth (and the moon) have been determined in so many different ways, all of which agree, that either the creator of the young earth has a wicked sense of humor, or the earth is really billions of years old. You can believe what you want as a matter of faith, but the science is very clear on this point.
Uh.... no.... just about all major scientists will tell you Evolution is, in fact, a theory. A religion. The only difference between Creation and Evolution is that Evolution is government sponsored.....
 
reefreak29

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in response to the original question
Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24
It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.”
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”
Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.”
We would expect behemoth to be a large land animal whose bones are like beams of bronze and so forth, so whatever a behemoth is, it is large. A key phrase is “He is the first of the ways of God.” This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created. Although an elephant or a hippopotamus are big, they are less than one-tenth the size of a Brachiosaurus, the largest (complete) dinosaur ever discovered.[1] A Brachiosaurus could therefore easily be described as “the first of the ways of God.”
 
yerboy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2507009
Yes, Biblically, God is at work today. The "seventh day" isn;t still going on. If you read the Creation account you see God had a relationship with adam and Eve and was "working" even in the first few chapters of Genesis, after the seventh day.
Again, I am not trying to make anyone believe one way or the other, just trying to keep what the Bible says clear. Too often people want to try to argue bits and pieces of it.
This is one problem with the bible i see..
If god is almighty why did it take him 6 days to create everything? Also why would he need rest after doing so?
The very thought of god needing rest implements that he himself was tired and not the almighty and all powerful that he is portrayed to be.
 
ophiura

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
http:///forum/post/2510192
Uh.... no.... just about all major scientists will tell you Evolution is, in fact, a theory. A religion. The only difference between Creation and Evolution is that Evolution is government sponsored.....
You continue, thread after thread, to fail to appreciate the scientific versus "civilian" definition of "theory."
It would truly help your argument if you would debate on the same understanding. The failure to understand this definition does not make you right.
A theory in the scientific sense, and a theory in the daily use are very very very different terms. So your statement here is meaningless and contradictory I'm afraid.
Yes, it is a SCIENTIFIC theory, along with relativity and gravity. Please, everyone who chooses to get into the debate, understand this difference.
Wikipedia - scientific theory:
Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature that is supported by many facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.[1
BTW, please do not demean those who disagree by bordering on saying evolution is their religion. That is unnecessary and possibly offensive. Based on some of the statements here on creationism versus evolution, it could imply those that believe in evolution may be godless. That is completely untrue. It is no religion to me. It is science, and I have managed to find room for both Christianity and evolution in my life, thank ya very much
 
reefreak29

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Originally Posted by yerboy
http:///forum/post/2510239
This is one problem with the bible i see..
If god is almighty why did it take him 6 days to create everything? Also why would he need rest after doing so?
The very thought of god needing rest implements that he himself was tired and not the almighty and all powerful that he is portrayed to be.

it was a demonstration if God rested then we should also rest. it was all part of his devine plan. he didnt have to rest nor did he need to create the universe,he chose to.
 
yerboy

yerboy

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2510259
it was a demonstration if God rested then we should also rest. it was all part of his devine plan. he didnt have to rest nor did he need to create the universe,he chose to.
i think that reply could be used against every question against the bible.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
http:///forum/post/2510192
Uh.... no.... just about all major scientists will tell you Evolution is, in fact, a theory. A religion. The only difference between Creation and Evolution is that Evolution is government sponsored.....
Please don't misquote major scientists. I am one, and I will freely admit to you that evolution is a theory, but NOT a religion, since it is not based on belief systems, but on observable fact. If evolution is sponsored by government, then there are an awful lot of governments in on the scam, or else independent major scientists just agree that all of the data point in that direction. I don't expect to convince you of this, since we have had this discussion before, and one of the great things about this country is that you are free to believe in any religion. However, science is not a religion, it is a way of objectively knowing, and when it is misquoted, I will attempt to set the record straight without arguing about anyone's religious predilections.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by yerboy
http:///forum/post/2510239
This is one problem with the bible i see..
If god is almighty why did it take him 6 days to create everything? Also why would he need rest after doing so?
The very thought of god needing rest implements that he himself was tired and not the almighty and all powerful that he is portrayed to be.
God chose to create for "six" days. There's no limitation implied there. In fact, if you carefully read the creation account you'll see time was created on day 4.
As for "resting". This was passed on the the Jewish people as an example to honor the Sabbath. Again, God didn't have to rest, nor does the Bible ever say He was tired.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2510331
Please don't misquote major scientists. I am one, and I will freely admit to you that evolution is a theory, but NOT a religion, since it is not based on belief systems, but on observable fact.
I doubt you will ever convince a religious extremist that there is a profound difference between the word "theory" and the phrase "Scientific Theory". It's some kind of bizarre sticking point that they can't seen to get past. Well, that's my theory anyway.
Meanwhile I'm going to ignore gravity because, well, it's just a theory. Right?
 
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