Does anyone else find it curious that "our" Gov't is buying so much ammo for domestic use?

mantisman51

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And here's the rub for The Messiah: In his executive order he specifically stated it was up to the states to determine if ID and drivers licenses would be given. The ACLU announced they are going to "study the issue further" before they decide if they will sue Arizona. But if they do and a court sided with the illegals(highly unlikely), it would void The Messiah's executive order. Some of the illegals said they are going to move to California where their Secretary of State said all "Dreamers" would be eligible for state ID's, licenses and free tuition at state universities. That makes me warm all over. The sooner the leeches leave our fair state, the better.
 
darthtang aw

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Why aren't people voting?  Is it because they know that no matter who gets voted in, nothing is going to change?  Is it because they hear some politician make all these futile campaign promises, knowing for a fact that he/she can't get 5% of them passed, yet the guy gets voted in anyways?  Watch some incumbent get voted in year after year, basically because voters know his name, or just assume he's doing a good job, so they vote for him anyways?  How about the voter who is so entrenched with a particular party affiliation, that they walk into the voting both, press "Vote Republican Party" or "Vote Democratic Party", then walk out totally clueless who they voted for?  How about the voters who say "Why bother.  The incumbent so-and-so is going to get elected, even if I vote or not"?  Texas is so blatently Republican, that it is an effort in futility to vote for a Democratic nominee for President.  Texas hasn't given its electoral votes to a Democrat since Nixon.  So hey, what's the point?
No government has completely taken over every aspect of your life.  There are laws they have passed, maybe laws that have been circumvented LEGALLY that you disagree with.  But that doesn't imply a "takeover".  Government can't satisfy everyone.  For every law you feel has been broken, there are a few hundred others that don't see it that way.  It's called "legal interpretation".  If Obama has blatently broken all these "laws" you claimed he has, why hasn't Bonehead and Co. brought impeachment charges?  Apparently no legal precedent has been broken.  The House is trying to vilify Holder for Fast and Furious, and legally Holder can just hold up the middle finger and smile. 
 
darthtang aw

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Impeachment? How many votes are required in congress to start an impeachment process, Bionic? There in lies the answer as to why it has not been discussed. The votes aren't there.
I love how you didn't even notice I gave you the same what if answer you always give when discussing Gun control. Ironically "what if " wasn't good enough for your arguments sake when used against your own defense.
 
bionicarm

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Impeachment? How many votes are required in congress to start an impeachment process, Bionic? There in lies the answer as to why it has not been discussed. The votes aren't there.
I love how you didn't even notice I gave you the same what if answer you always give when discussing Gun control. Ironically "what if " wasn't good enough for your arguments sake when used against your own defense.
Thye votes aren't there because using an Executive Order isn't an impeachable offense. I answered your "what if's".
 
bionicarm

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You could say that he broke Constitutional law by overriding the law-making power given to Congress by our Constitution, since Congress has not, and won't be enacting any type of amnesty program for illegal aliens. He certainly did override Federal laws in place. Also, his action is a complete turnaround from what he said he could not do because it was not his authority to do it.
It was a play for the Latin vote in an election year. However, there are a lot more people who do not agree then who do agree. Wrong move in my view.
Obama has been pushing his Dream Act initiative for years. Congress kept shutting it down, ergo the Executive Order. I honestly haven't seen many polls as to whose for or against it. Immigrants serve a specific purpose in regards to the manual/labor intensive jobs that no one else wants to do. We're in this massive drought, crops are drying up left and right, and farmers hardly have enough funds to pay for water and supplies to keep their crops viable, much less pay some "American" minimum wage for doing a job he can hire an immigrant to do for half the cost. Not to mention, those red-blooded Americans are too proud or simply too lazy to do the jobs in the first place. People seem to think that illegal immigration is something new in this country. Illegals have been coming over here since the 60's, working the same crappy jobs, hiding out from the same authorities. When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, no one ever talked about illegals "invading this country" because no one really cared. Farmers and businesses saw it as cheap labor, and as long as they showed up to work every day, and didn't steal anything, they were fine with it. Now all of a sudden, it's a major issue.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/40#post_3488369
And here's the rub for The Messiah: In his executive order he specifically stated it was up to the states to determine if ID and drivers licenses would be given. The ACLU announced they are going to "study the issue further" before they decide if they will sue Arizona. But if they do and a court sided with the illegals(highly unlikely), it would void The Messiah's executive order. Some of the illegals said they are going to move to California where their Secretary of State said all "Dreamers" would be eligible for state ID's, licenses and free tuition at state universities. That makes me warm all over. The sooner the leeches leave our fair state, the better.
Welcome To Arizona - We're Racist And Proud Of It. Don't Like It, Then Leave.
 
mantisman51

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"I'm bionic. I think one race of people ought to be able to break the law and everyone else doesn't matter. Even though a state is being invaded by cartels and criminals, they ought to roll out the welcome mat, with food stamps and welfare, because the criminals are brown." You are the most openly bigoted person I have ever seen. You are clearly "La Raza", you racist piece of...no name calling.
 
mantisman51

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Oh yeah, my close friend (who's a Hispanic American) said people like you, Bionic, are the most dangerous thing for every "Mexican-American" in Arizona. I told him about your "brown makes right" argument for illegals. Guess who is the victims of 95% of crime illegals commit? Let me help you, genius: they're Hispanic Americans. Further, as law enforcement, he said you and all these people marching in the street sicken him since he and his fellow officers are the one's cleaning up what you and your kind are foisting on Arizona. He doesn't think our laws are strict enough.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/40#post_3488396
Oh yeah, my close friend (who's a Hispanic American) said people like you, Bionic, are the most dangerous thing for every "Mexican-American" in Arizona. I told him about your "brown makes right" argument for illegals. Guess who is the victims of 95% of crime illegals commit? Let me help you, genius: they're Hispanic Americans. Further, as law enforcement, he said you and all these people marching in the street sicken him since he and his fellow officers are the one's cleaning up what you and your kind are foisting on Arizona. He doesn't think our laws are strict enough.
Just because you have a "friend" whose Hispanic doesn't mean you're not racist. Arizona not racist? Yea, I recall Arizona not wanting to observe MLK Day as a Federal holiday until the NFL threatened to pull that year's Super Bowl out of their state if they didn't comply. Arizona, the state that's continually in the headlines about their full-frontal attack on "illegal Hispanics", yet reports filed of numerous racial profiling events. Naw, Arizona's not racist.
Texas has as big a border, if not bigger, with Mexico than Arizona has. Even our looney tunes Governor doesn't have the cahones to try and create radical laws against illegals like Arizona tries putting into place. He hears from the farmers and ranchers who depend on these individuals to keep their operational costs low.
What's the demographic percentages of "American Hispanics" in Arizona? Someone committing a crime doesn't care what race a person is. Their objective is to get whatever they are trying to obtain illegally. What, you think some illegal trying to rip off a store is saying "Hey vato, don't go ripping off that store. One of our fellow "brownie ese's" owns that shop." Your sterotypical attitude is laughable at best.
 
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Obama has been pushing his Dream Act initiative for years. Congress kept shutting it down, ergo the Executive Order. I honestly haven't seen many polls as to whose for or against it. Immigrants serve a specific purpose in regards to the manual/labor intensive jobs that no one else wants to do. We're in this massive drought, crops are drying up left and right, and farmers hardly have enough funds to pay for water and supplies to keep their crops viable, much less pay some "American" minimum wage for doing a job he can hire an immigrant to do for half the cost. Not to mention, those red-blooded Americans are too proud or simply too lazy to do the jobs in the first place. People seem to think that illegal immigration is something new in this country. Illegals have been coming over here since the 60's, working the same crappy jobs, hiding out from the same authorities. When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, no one ever talked about illegals "invading this country" because no one really cared. Farmers and businesses saw it as cheap labor, and as long as they showed up to work every day, and didn't steal anything, they were fine with it. Now all of a sudden, it's a major issue.
You want em in Texas, you can have em! There are literally hundreds of illegal day laborers around my area that do nothing but stand all day at various intersections waiting for someone to pick them up and give them work for the day. While standing around it is not at all uncommon to see them harassing women, littering or just dropping trou on the side of the road to take a dump. They are a blight on the communities and have made property values plummet when you get an illegal house with 20 guys staying in it. There are many areas around here that used to be wonderful, family oriented communities that are now basically no better than the 3rd world hell-hole that these guys came from and where law abiding American citizens are afraid to walk for fear of getting jumpedrobbedrapedkilled.
Do a google search on "farmingville ny illegals" and you will many articles all about this.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/40#post_3488401
You want em in Texas, you can have em! There are literally hundreds of illegal day laborers around my area that do nothing but stand all day at various intersections waiting for someone to pick them up and give them work for the day. While standing around it is not at all uncommon to see them harassing women, littering or just dropping trou on the side of the road to take a dump. They are a blight on the communities and have made property values plummet when you get an illegal house with 20 guys staying in it. There are many areas around here that used to be wonderful, family oriented communities that are now basically no better than the 3rd world hell-hole that these guys came from and where law abiding American citizens are afraid to walk for fear of getting jumpedrobbedrapedkilled.
Do a google search on "farmingville ny illegals" and you will many articles all about this.
When was NY ever safe? Like some white boy goes walking through Harlem late at night. I remember getting warned about walking around certain areas of Quenns and the Bronx.
That's OK. We have plenty of our own. We'll end up with most of the one's in NY as soon as the first snowfall hits anyways.
 
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When was NY ever safe? Like some white boy goes walking through Harlem late at night. I remember getting warned about walking around certain areas of Quenns and the Bronx.
That's OK. We have plenty of our own. We'll end up with most of the one's in NY as soon as the first snowfall hits anyways.
Where I live is (or at least used to be) nothing like Harlem, Queens or the Bronx... Actually, these days, most of Harlem IS safer than wandering around the towns where all the illegals congregate.
 
darthtang aw

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Thye votes aren't there because using an Executive Order isn't an impeachable offense.  I answered your "what if's".
Keep telling yourself that is why the votes aren't there. The judiciarary committee and the house could levy the impeachment charge. But it would be a big song and dance as the Senate has to vote 2/3 majority for the impeachment conviction. With the senate majority being democrat, what are the odds the would vote for impeachment...Clinto lied under oath which is a crime and he was able to get off those charges....
 
darthtang aw

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Obama has been pushing his Dream Act initiative for years.  Congress kept shutting it down, ergo the Executive Order.  I honestly haven't seen many polls as to whose for or against it.  Immigrants serve a specific purpose in regards to the manual/labor intensive jobs that no one else wants to do.  We're in this massive drought, crops are drying up left and right, and farmers hardly have enough funds to pay for water and supplies to keep their crops viable, much less pay some "American" minimum wage for doing a job he can hire an immigrant to do for half the cost.  Not to mention, those red-blooded Americans are too proud or simply too lazy to do the jobs in the first place.  People seem to think that illegal immigration is something new in this country.  Illegals have been coming over here since the 60's, working the same crappy jobs, hiding out from the same authorities.  When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, no one ever talked about illegals "invading this country" because no one really cared.  Farmers and businesses saw it as cheap labor, and as long as they showed up to work every day, and didn't steal anything, they were fine with it.  Now all of a sudden, it's a major issue.
If an executive order can legally circumvent the congress...Why have a congress?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/40#post_3488387
Obama has been pushing his Dream Act initiative for years. Congress kept shutting it down, ergo the Executive Order. I honestly haven't seen many polls as to whose for or against it. Immigrants serve a specific purpose in regards to the manual/labor intensive jobs that no one else wants to do. We're in this massive drought, crops are drying up left and right, and farmers hardly have enough funds to pay for water and supplies to keep their crops viable, much less pay some "American" minimum wage for doing a job he can hire an immigrant to do for half the cost. Not to mention, those red-blooded Americans are too proud or simply too lazy to do the jobs in the first place. People seem to think that illegal immigration is something new in this country. Illegals have been coming over here since the 60's, working the same crappy jobs, hiding out from the same authorities. When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, no one ever talked about illegals "invading this country" because no one really cared. Farmers and businesses saw it as cheap labor, and as long as they showed up to work every day, and didn't steal anything, they were fine with it. Now all of a sudden, it's a major issue.
And you don't think going around the law making process dictated in the constitution is an issue? This will get taken to court and the work visa will be tossed. 0bama has the authority to say who will and wont be deported but he can't change the law.
 
darthtang aw

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.  We're in this massive drought, crops are drying up left and right, and farmers hardly have enough funds to pay for water and supplies to keep their crops viable, much less pay some "American" minimum wage for doing a job he can hire an immigrant to do for half the cost. 
It is required by federal law to pay a minimum wage. Visa imigrants included.
 
bionicarm

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It is required by federal law to pay a minimum wage. Visa imigrants included.
Farmers in Alabama pay their workers by the bushel or boxes of the produce they are picking. Some tomato farmers pay $2 for every 25-pound box filled. The more boxes you fill, the more you get paid. Do the farmers legally have to make up the difference if they work 8 hours and only fill 10 boxes? Apparently not, since pay is based by how many boxes you fill, not how many hours you work. You agree to pay some guy $20 to mow your 1 acre yard. If he takes his time and spends 4 hours doing it, do you have to pay him $29 to meet federal minimum wage laws?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/after-alabama-immigration-law-few-americans-taking-immigrants-work_n_1023635.html
 
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mantisman51

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Had a great talk with Pastor Valdez today. He enlightened me on this subject. The myth of Atzatlan isn't just a political movement, ala La (klan with a tan) Raza, it's a religious movement. I won't get bogged down in it, but it is more frightening than even I thought. Must be nice to say, "If the people through Congress won't do what I want, I'll act as an unchecked dictator and simply make an executive order". The Messiah doesn't know the vile, evil animal he is feeding. To him it is simply pandering for votes. What he has done is signal that now is the time to flood over the border to recreate Atzatlan. Sad days, but with us in Arizona having honest politicians who are willing to fight evil, Kalifornia, New Mexico and Texas will bear the brunt of it.
 
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