Does anyone else find it curious that "our" Gov't is buying so much ammo for domestic use?

[darthtang aw]

If you're going to impeach Obama for using an Executive Order, then you'd have to impeach Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, and Clinton as well as any other previous President that used that power to push their personal agendas.
In most cases executive orders are issued in support of laws or to uphold them. Not to counter act current laws.
If the police caught a criminal in the act of robbing a store, and decided to let them go...would this bother you? Would it bother you if later the freed criminal raped your wife?

 

[darthtang aw]

Farmers in Alabama pay their workers by the bushel or boxes of the produce they are picking.  Some tomato farmers pay $2 for every 25-pound box filled.  The more boxes you fill, the more you get paid.  Do the farmers legally have to make up the difference if they work 8 hours and only fill 10 boxes?  Apparently not, since pay is based by how many boxes you fill, not how many hours you work.  You agree to pay some guy $20 to mow your 1 acre yard.  If he takes his time and spends 4 hours doing it, do you have to pay him $29 to meet federal minimum wage laws?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/after-alabama-immigration-law-few-americans-taking-immigrants-work_n_1023635.html
Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290.
That is the other reason americans wont do the job...they can collect unemployment for 99 weeks or more...........

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488448
Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290.
That is the other reason americans wont do the job...they can collect unemployment for 99 weeks or more...........
$405 a week in NY as a maximum.

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/40#post_3488387
Obama has been pushing his Dream Act initiative for years. Congress kept shutting it down, ergo the Executive Order.
Congress is representatives of the American people and it is empowered by our constitution with making the laws in this country, not the president. Your statement here is startling. Congress decides not to enact a law and the president overrides it??? Really? That is scary in a multitude of ways and I don't see how you can imagine that its ok...
Ex Orders are not designed to give the presidency the power to override the lawmaking decisions of our Congress. The presidency is is not a monarchy. And, Obama knows this very well.

 

[darthtang aw]

Congress is representatives of the American people and it is empowered by our constitution with making the laws in this country, not the president.  Your statement here is startling.  Congress decides not to enact a law and the president overrides it???  Really?  That is scary in a multitude of ways and I don't see how you can imagine that its ok...
Ex Orders are not designed to give the presidency the power to override the lawmaking decisions of  our Congress.  The presidency is is not a monarchy.  And, Obama knows this very well.
Thinking of joining a poligamist colony just so I can have the option to marry Beth.
Darth ( this message will self destruct) Tang

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488485
Thinking of joining a poligamist colony just so I can have the option to marry Beth.
Darth ( this message will self destruct) Tang
I'd have to subdue your charming personality which would be too much for you, I'm afraid.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488467
Congress is representatives of the American people and it is empowered by our constitution with making the laws in this country, not the president. Your statement here is startling. Congress decides not to enact a law and the president overrides it??? Really? That is scary in a multitude of ways and I don't see how you can imagine that its ok...
Ex Orders are not designed to give the presidency the power to override the lawmaking decisions of our Congress. The presidency is is not a monarchy. And, Obama knows this very well.
Why are you making this exclusive to Obama? Look up the history of the Executive Order and see how past Presidents used that same power to justify one of their personal agendas. If using this power is considered an abuse by the President, contact your Congressmen and have them repeal the law that gives the President this power.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488448
Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290.
That is the other reason americans wont do the job...they can collect unemployment for 99 weeks or more...........
Come on. You have legal US citizens just exercising their legal right to collect money from hard-earning taxpayers. I know. We can round these leaches up and send them to Mexico as well.

 

[darthtang aw]

Come on.  You have legal US citizens just exercising their legal right to collect money from hard-earning taxpayers.  I know.  We can round these leaches up and send them to Mexico as well.
Or make them work for it. How many roads need trash picked up, how many state buildings could use repainting...etc. how many shelters could use volunteers...community service...etc.

 

[darthtang aw]

I'd have to subdue your charming personality which would be too much for you, I'm afraid.  :evil:
If my personality was subdued that would kill my charm.
Darth (you know you like it) Tang

 

[darthtang aw]

Why are you making this exclusive to Obama?  Look up the history of the Executive Order and see how past Presidents used that same power to justify one of their personal agendas.  If using this power is considered an abuse by the President, contact your Congressmen and have them repeal the law that gives the President this power.
It isn't the executive order itself. But the specific orders handed out. And I have complained about some in the past as well. However, past executive orders did not state to disregard current U.S. law. most executive orders are holidays...etc....do you have examples of any executive order in the past 20 years that disregarded current U.S. law and was created because Congress wouldn't pass the law the president wanted?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488519
Why are you making this exclusive to Obama? Look up the history of the Executive Order and see how past Presidents used that same power to justify one of their personal agendas. If using this power is considered an abuse by the President, contact your Congressmen and have them repeal the law that gives the President this power.
Cite an executive order used to create a law congress had rejected
Should have read Darths post first LOL!

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488523
Or make them work for it. How many roads need trash picked up, how many state buildings could use repainting...etc. how many shelters could use volunteers...community service...etc.
Of course the goonions won't allow that. Governments would need less dues paying employees

 

[slice]

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Of course the [strike]goonions[/strike] UNIONS won't allow that. Governments would need less dues paying employees
Fixed

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488525
It isn't the executive order itself. But the specific orders handed out. And I have complained about some in the past as well. However, past executive orders did not state to disregard current U.S. law. most executive orders are holidays...etc....do you have examples of any executive order in the past 20 years that disregarded current U.S. law and was created because Congress wouldn't pass the law the president wanted?
Here's Dubya's list of EO's. You seem to want to interpret the definition of what "disregard to current U.S. law" is. You tell me if any of these fit that category?
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/
How about the creation of Homeland Security? Don't we already have a national defense system?
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011008-2.html
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070912-3.html
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to help the Federal Government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet America's social and community needs - This reeks of defying the definition of "Separation of Church and State" -
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060307-5.html
Bush used Guantamano Bay as a way of making his own version of Ellis Island in regards to illegals caught in the Caribbean. Let any illegal who was deemed to request political asylum the ability to enter the country.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021115-10.html

 

[beth]

While there are many things that have come out of HS that I don't agree with and which are unconstitutional, the HS Act was enacted by Congress, and signed in to law by Bush. Bush's OE was in response to the ineptness of our federal security systems already in place in their handling of the events that led up to 911. Creating HS did not violate existing laws created by Congress, and Congress ultimately enacted the HS Act. Now if you want to argue about the subsequent overstepping and abuses citizens endure resulting from HS, then ok, lets go there.
The EO regarding HS and faith-based orgs, is not a separation of state and religion issue. Does it give any religion preference over the other? Does it give any religion any power whatsoever in our government? It was created as Bush's initiative to get faith-based organizations, and any community organization access to more federal funding for providing community services This was nothing new actually, just filtered more tax payer monies through the government to social service programs. I'm trying to think why you would object. Seems like this is something that you would approve of? Now, did Bush's adm use this avenue to filter money to his buddies and pet projects? Yeah, very likely. Obama does the same, just as every president has done.
No way am I reading through all of Bush's or Obama's EOs! LOL

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488629
Here's Dubya's list of EO's. You seem to want to interpret the definition of what "disregard to current U.S. law" is. You tell me if any of these fit that category?
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/
How about the creation of Homeland Security? Don't we already have a national defense system?
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011008-2.html
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/09/20070912-3.html
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to help the Federal Government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet America's social and community needs - This reeks of defying the definition of "Separation of Church and State" -
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060307-5.html
Bush used Guantamano Bay as a way of making his own version of Ellis Island in regards to illegals caught in the Caribbean. Let any illegal who was deemed to request political asylum the ability to enter the country.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021115-10.html
Do you understand the difference between policy and laws?

 

[reefraff]

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Fixed
No, I had it right the first time.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/60#post_3488670
Do you understand the difference between policy and laws?
Do you? It's all in the interpretation. Bottom line, Presidents have usurped some form of law or policy utilizing the EO since George Washington. Most of the EO utilizes in the last few decades were the result of a total empasse of Congress, and their inability to compromise on the basis of not wanting to cross party lines. The current Congressional members are the most arrogant, contentious, and closed-minded than any previous Congress in the last two decades. They can't agree on anything, and resort to lies and fabrications to try and push their personal agendas. "A house divided against itself cannot stand," Clean out the "house" and the President wouldn't have to resort to such drastic measures to get legislation passed.

 

[beth]

Bionic, if Americans were in the majority supporting amnesty, then Congress would have voted it in. Its not, so Obama decided to go against law and the will of the majority, and sign it in. He will pay for that decision because while Mexican Americans may want all of their illegal family members and friends to get amnesty in the USA, many other Hispanic groups are opposed, and non-Hispanic Americans are in the majority opposed.
We are still a democratic, constitutional Republic.