Does anyone else find it curious that "our" Gov't is buying so much ammo for domestic use?

mantisman51

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"La Causa De La Raza". When they were just a small, fringe, pro-communist, anti-American group, this was their name. Now, to seem less dangerous and radical, they now call themselves The Council of La Raza. Their original name means "The cause of The Race". That phrase was the rallying cry of the mass-murderer Che Guevara. That's why bionic keeps spouting that everyone who doesn't want America to become a 3rd world country ruled by "La Raza" is a "racist". Bionic is La Raza. He sees reclaiming Azlan(or Atzatlan depending on which ignorant La Raza kook is spelling it) as his and "The Race" #1 priority. I thought I knew a lot about La Raza and Atzatlan, but I spoke with Pastor Valdez, who is a former member of La Raza and you will never get through to bionic. He sees the world as evil whitey must be overcome to reestablish Azlan and anything that slows down or stops the "nueva conquista" is racist. I know many will simply write this off as right wing kookery, but make no mistake, this is the goal of folks like bionic and La Raza.
 
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"Clean out the house and the president won't have to blah blah blah". So the will of the people, as spoken by their representatives in Congress, doesn't matter. The American people are too stupid to know who to elect, so Obama has to single handedly change laws. Yeah, that sounds right out of La Raza's Che Guevara handbook.
 
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"Clean out the house and the president won't have to blah blah blah". So the will of the people, as spoken by their representatives in Congress, doesn't matter. The American people are too stupid to know who to elect, so Obama has to single handedly change laws. Yeah, that sounds right out of La Raza's Che Guevara handbook.
Apparently they are. You included.
 
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Bionic, if Americans were in the majority supporting amnesty, then Congress would have voted it in. Its not, so Obama decided to go against law and the will of the majority, and sign it in. He will pay for that decision because while Mexican Americans may want all of their illegal family members and friends to get amnesty in the USA, many other Hispanic groups are opposed, and non-Hispanic Americans are in the majority opposed.
We are still a democratic, constitutional Republic.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-06-24/Hispanic-voters-Obama-Romney-election/55796866/1
http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-majority-agree-with-obamas-immigration-move-yilds-no-bump-in-support-for-the-president/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155210/Americans-Positive-Immigration.aspx
 
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Bionic, if Americans were in the majority supporting amnesty, then Congress would have voted it in. Its not, so Obama decided to go against law and the will of the majority, and sign it in. He will pay for that decision because while Mexican Americans may want all of their illegal family members and friends to get amnesty in the USA, many other Hispanic groups are opposed, and non-Hispanic Americans are in the majority opposed.
We are still a democratic, constitutional Republic.
Answer these questions:
How does providing amnesty to illegals who provide the majority of the workforce for low pay/labor intensive jobs directly affect you?
How is your quality of life affected by allowing illegal immigrants to have amnesty to work here?
Exactly how much money is pulled out of your pocket by allowing illegal immigrants to work here legally on a 2 - 3 year work visa?
Will you lose more tax dollars by supporting these illegals (which there's no concrete data that can validate how much is spent in federal-assisted programs on illegals), or will you spend more on higher produce, meat, and poultry prices overall because farmers and ranchers will have to charge more to offset the labor costs they'll have to spend to pay for legal's to work for them (if they can find any that will do the work)?
 
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"I thought I knew a lot about La Raza and Atzatlan, but I spoke with Pastor Valdez, who is a former member of La Raza and you will never get through to bionic. He sees the world as evil whitey must be overcome to reestablish Azlan and anything that slows down or stops the "nueva conquista" is racist." See his response to my comment on The Messiah and bypassing Congress and the voters who have voted for them. I hope America wakes up. What The Messiah and La Raza are doing to Arizona, they will do in every state that doesn't kneel down to them.
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/80#post_3488804
Answer these questions:
How does providing amnesty to illegals who provide the majority of the workforce for low pay/labor intensive jobs directly affect you?
How is your quality of life affected by allowing illegal immigrants to have amnesty to work here?
Exactly how much money is pulled out of your pocket by allowing illegal immigrants to work here legally on a 2 - 3 year work visa?
Will you lose more tax dollars by supporting these illegals (which there's no concrete data that can validate how much is spent in federal-assisted programs on illegals), or will you spend more on higher produce, meat, and poultry prices overall because farmers and ranchers will have to charge more to offset the labor costs they'll have to spend to pay for legal's to work for them (if they can find any that will do the work)?
Granting people with no legal right to be in this country work permits increases the competition for already scarce jobs. If they have the right to be here do you really think they aren't going to apply for better jobs? Once they move up it encourages even more illegals to break in. It's never a good idea to give criminals a free pass. We learned that lesson from Reagan's amnesty.
 
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Granting people with no legal right to be in this country work permits increases the competition for already scarce jobs. If they have the right to be here do you really think they aren't going to apply for better jobs? Once they move up it encourages even more illegals to break in. It's never a good idea to give criminals a free pass. We learned that lesson from Reagan's amnesty.
Speculation at best. There's plenty of labor-intensive jobs out there, but the "legals" are too lazy to take them. Just look at the Alabama farmers as an example. If there are jobs available for legals to work in now, then if the illegals get amnesty, those positions will already be filled before they can apply for them. Again, reference the Alabama farmers. An employer cares more about the quality of work they get out of their employees, not their legal status. If an illegal is willing to do the job harder, longer, and more efficiently, I'd hire him/her over some legal who thinks their entitled to a job, gives a half-arsed effort, shows up late (if at all), and needs their hand held just to get a simple task performed.
 
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"I thought I knew a lot about La Raza and Atzatlan, but I spoke with Pastor Valdez, who is a former member of La Raza and you will never get through to bionic. He sees the world as evil whitey must be overcome to reestablish Azlan and anything that slows down or stops the "nueva conquista" is racist." See his response to my comment on The Messiah and bypassing Congress and the voters who have voted for them. I hope America wakes up. What The Messiah and La Raza are doing to Arizona, they will do in every state that doesn't kneel down to them.
Brother. When you call the President "The Messiah", you lose all credibility. Arizona seems to have some issues regarding illegals. Why is that? Texas has a border with Mexico that's twice as long as Arizona, yet you hear far less complaints or problems with illegals in this state. Look at Arizona. Besides Tuscon, Phoenix, and the surrounding suburbs around those cities, what else is left. An arid, desolate, rock-laden, cactus-filled, rattlesnake-infested region that's good for nothing but goats and maybe cattle. So I imagine the illegals concentrate in the major metropolis', which is why you have more run-in's with them. Sucks to be you.
 
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He was called The Messiah by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus in 2008, shortly before the election. And credibility with a racist like you means nothing to me. You have lied and pulled crap from your rear end every time you have been cornered. Lastly, try reading (anything besides MoveOn and La Raza press releases) some reports, Arizona is bearing the brunt of 80% of your Raza's smuggling and crime. We are receiving the overwhelming majority of the burden of this human debris flooding across the border.
 
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There you go, genius. I saved you some typing.
I'm just that kind of guy. I gave water to a group of illegals who were lost yesterday, while I was working at my property. What have you done to actually help people? I had my SKS and .357 with me. I didn't shoot anyone. Oops, I must be slipping as a citizen of the racist state of Arizona, huh?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392660/does-anyone-else-find-it-curious-that-our-govt-is-buying-so-much-ammo-for-domestic-use/80#post_3488852
Speculation at best. There's plenty of labor-intensive jobs out there, but the "legals" are too lazy to take them. Just look at the Alabama farmers as an example. If there are jobs available for legals to work in now, then if the illegals get amnesty, those positions will already be filled before they can apply for them. Again, reference the Alabama farmers. An employer cares more about the quality of work they get out of their employees, not their legal status. If an illegal is willing to do the job harder, longer, and more efficiently, I'd hire him/her over some legal who thinks their entitled to a job, gives a half-arsed effort, shows up late (if at all), and needs their hand held just to get a simple task performed.
Speculation my butt. You don't think illegals working the crappy jobs will enter the legitimate job market if they are given Visas? Wake up and smell what you're trying to shovel. Every one of them who moves out of your beloved Alabama farm jobs creates a vacuum that will pull in more illegals.
 
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Brother. When you call the President "The Messiah", you lose all credibility. Arizona seems to have some issues regarding illegals. Why is that? Texas has a border with Mexico that's twice as long as Arizona, yet you hear far less complaints or problems with illegals in this state. Look at Arizona. Besides Tuscon, Phoenix, and the surrounding suburbs around those cities, what else is left. An arid, desolate, rock-laden, cactus-filled, rattlesnake-infested region that's good for nothing but goats and maybe cattle. So I imagine the illegals concentrate in the major metropolis', which is why you have more run-in's with them. Sucks to be you.
Arizona has a population about 1/4th the size of Texas. They can't afford to absorb all the illegals. And I know a few people from Texas and they complain plenty about the illegals
 
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Speculation my butt. You don't think illegals working the crappy jobs will enter the legitimate job market if they are given Visas? Wake up and smell what you're trying to shovel. Every one of them who moves out of your beloved Alabama farm jobs creates a vacuum that will pull in more illegals.
Like I said, it's an employers choice as to who they hire. If an illegal is more productive, they'll hire them. If Legal Americans would actually work the demeaning jobs, then there'd be no jobs available for illegals to take in the first place. No, they expect $15/hr, health benefits, 2 weeks vacation, and other perks to stand in the entrance of Walmart as a greeter. Heaven forbid they have to toss burgers and fries. Alabama farmers have offered the jobs MULTIPLE of times to anyone that will do them. They refuse. So a business has to go out of business just because the lazy arsed Americans are too "proud" to work a job that's beneath them? Therein lies the problem. You complain about illegals taking jobs, yet no one whose legal is willing to do the job. So let's have a business fold on the basis of "American Pride". I just imagine if you had the choice of keeping your business afloat hiring illegals on visas, as opposed to shutting down because no legal person will take the job, you'd chose "close the business". Riiiight.
 
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There you go, genius. I saved you some typing.
I'm just that kind of guy. I gave water to a group of illegals who were lost yesterday, while I was working at my property. What have you done to actually help people? I had my SKS and .357 with me. I didn't shoot anyone. Oops, I must be slipping as a citizen of the racist state of Arizona, huh?
Aren't you special! Let me send you a humanatarian award!
You didn't shoot them because that would mean you'd have to dig a grave to bury them.
 
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He was called The Messiah by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus in 2008, shortly before the election. And credibility with a racist like you means nothing to me. You have lied and pulled crap from your rear end every time you have been cornered. Lastly, try reading (anything besides MoveOn and La Raza press releases) some reports, Arizona is bearing the brunt of 80% of your Raza's smuggling and crime. We are receiving the overwhelming majority of the burden of this human debris flooding across the border.
I support Hispanics who are just trying to better their lives, and I'm the racist. Brother.
I didn't know you were Black. I know Blacks who use the N-word with disregard, but if a White person were to use it, they'd get the crud beat out of them. Get the analogy?
Arizona bears the brunt because it's a massive wasteland that's easy to hide in. I honestly don't know why any of them choose to stay in that armpit of a state. They walk in with a big target on their back, get racially profiled, stereotyped, and have to hide like a sewer rat if they do decide to hang around. They'd have better odds sneaking into Iraq than they do in Arizona.
 
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Watching bionic grasp at straws is like watching a carp thrash on the bank. No intellect, just pure desperate futility. BTW, Reef, we have about 5.5 million, so that would be about 1/6th the population of Texas. So, let's score bionic on accuracy: an American with a gun and illegals present-no shooting/bionic 0. Illegals needing desperate help and receiving it by a white Arizonan/bionic 0. Arizona being the entry point for 80% of drugs and illegal aliens, therefore bearing the largest burden of said criminals/bionic 0. Must really stink being retardedly wrong all the time. Glad I don't inhabit his racist/bigoted world.
 
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