Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

acrylic51

acrylic51

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Quote:Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build#post_3311882
Great Flower, Is the height dimension 26" from the bottom of the floor in the stand to the bottom of the tank or the highest inside height of the stand. These dimensions are the maximum inside dimensions.
I have worked out some rough sizes..... Being that the door opening is 15"x21", it will take a bit to manuver it into place....So to do this for the first part of the sump I am proposing the dimensions of 24"L x 14 1/2"H x 16"W.., th reason for these dimensions is Flower will have to stand the sump on end to get it into the stand; so 24" max since inside stand height is 26". Height of the sump at 14 1/2" max since door opening is 15". The depth of the stand is 18", so go 16" to allow us som wiggle room.
Fuge area should be a simple straight in on an angle install. Those dimensions I've figured roughly 18"L x 18"H x 16"W
So Al&Burke here are some dimensions to start the drawings up with:
Sump- 24"L x 14 1/2"H x 16"W
Fuge- 18"L x 18"H x 16"w
On a side note the Octopus would be a nice fit, no plumbing needed on the skimmer, so we are safe there, and Flower got you a very reasonable price if you go that route. I will PM you specifics on it.
 
al&burke

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Great, I will work on this later this afternoon,gotta run. Fuge 18 x 18 x 16 will that fit in on an angle, I will try with the drawing.
Al
 
acrylic51

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Ahhhhh I see my error already.... Max length of fuge can only be 14 1/2"L x 18"H x 16"W.... Sorry for the screw up already.
 
flower

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Al&Burke: The picture of sizes are too small for me to read, the good news is that it does not matter if I can see it..LOL..Acrylic51 is the builder. That 22 inch space at the moment holds my cooler. I don’t know where I would put it, but I can move it. My Mom needs the hot water so she doesn’t have to use the stove to try and boil water for tea or coffee…she falls asleep and I work nights and sleep part of the day.
 
 
Here is a picture of the full stand and tank and space around it. The covered tub in the picture is for water changing, which for right now I do daily. I have some wood covering my ballasts for the MH lights in case of a splash. LOL...you can see my goby has been busy.

 
I can't move the shelf, it's is skinny and the walkway to the bedrooms and bathroom is in that path. So nothing can be added here permanatly we dodge the tub as it is for now.
 
The 42 X 18 X 29 are the total INSIDE the stand. . That is the bottom of the stand to the bottom of my tank which sits on top.
 
Meowzer: I know if I want I can keep a canister for flow, if I kept one it would be the Fluval because it’s easier for me to clean. The Cascade has to have the tubes twisted off and my hands are not able to do that very well. The Fluval just has a flip release. I can put it to the side, and the table is a good idea.

 
 
My budget for this coming month for the Fish Tank is $500.00 max. I have to get a skimmer, a pump, an overflow and then shipping. The Flexible tubing I have and that’s cheap enough if I need more. Also if Acrylic51 gets acrylic from scarp that’s great, but he also has silicone and whatever else he needs to build the tanks for me. I want to pay him back any out of pocket expense, he is doing all that work and that’s a big blessing…but I don’t want to take too much advantage of his good nature.
 
Now for post #15
Why wouldn’t you want the skimmer to have water coming out to the sump, isn’t that the way skimmers work? I have only had HOB types so be nice. I don’t understand the twist on/off valve on the first picture.
 
acrylic51

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Quote:Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build#post_3311886
WELL.....unlike HOB skimmers, you may have to add a return line to a sump skimmer......I think you can do this

 
OR YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO....remember this is IN THE SUMP.....so the water coming out...will be landing IN THE SUMP
 
BUT....if you wanted to.....I think you can add an elbow so the water will flow down....know what I mean......
 
P.S.  TECHNICAL ADVISORS....PLEASE HELP   LOL
not following Meowzer!!!! With th skimmer being an in sump there would be any need for lines or such to feed it. The skimmer pump would pick the water up that is in the sump and process it, and then out the discharge. Could possibly do a trick or 2 on the discharge, or reorienting the skimmer position would work as well. The skimmer an intake area, I would like to be a generous on space as possible, but not waste space as well.
 
acrylic51

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She's running her's external. Yours being in sump would be as simple as drop in, plug in pump, adjust for break in; then fine tune.
 
acrylic51

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Quote:Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build#post_3311889
Here is another GREAT skimmer....runs around $280.............stick it in the sump and plug it in LOL. See water will go in where the pump is, and go out at the grey pipe...right into sump
 
I like the other one too, and I don't know 100% cause I can not find a pic, BUT I bet it comes with elbows for the outflow......BTW...what is your skimmer budget

 
Octopus XP1000sss
 

 
-Super Reef Octopus® 6” Space Saver Cone Skimmer
-Dimensions: 9.5”x7.5”x20.5”
-Rated up to 125gal.
-Features the new Bubble Blaster HY1000S
-High quality machine welded cast acrylic construction
-High performance design
-3 year warranty on Bubble Blaster pump. 1 year warranty on skimmer. Lifetime warranty on support.
Description:
Coralvue is proud to introduce you to their Super Reef Octopus® product line. The use of their Bubble
Blaster/Water Blaster pumps include a 3 year warranty. They offer 3 different skimmer designs to meet any design want or space limitations you may have.
Very nice find on the skimmer Meowzer.... Guess we'll have to call our buddy Todd an she want this puppy runs price wise!!!!
The SSS stands for Super Sump Saver. This model incorporates all the same benefits of the XP design but has the pump built into the bottom of the skimmer which allows for a much smaller footprint inside the sump. The XP cone design puts very little back pressure on the pump because there is little resistance from the base of the skimmer all the way up to the collection cup. Less resistance means more skimming ability for the pump to work at its maximum output. When space is limited look to their SSS models.
 
al&burke

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7.5" no problem Flower, I am going out for a bit then will draw up the sump and fuge to Shawn's dimensions.
 
2quills

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Wow looks like you guys are off to a good start already. Nice drawings, Al!
 
Flower, just out of curriosity, when you took the measurement of the width inside the stand, which I believe is 18" wide...did you take that measurement between the two virticle supports in the middle or did you make the measurement across the bottom? The only reason I ask is because it looks like the vertical pieces are a little bit closer together than the wood pieces that run along the bottom. Reason being is that whatever Shawn builds may also have to fit between those two vertical pieces. Just wanted to be sure incase I may have missed where you made your measurements earlier in the thread.
 
Flower, are you wanting to keep using a spray bar for your return or would you like to have a new directional return for your tank? Are you farmiliar with what a loc-line return looks like?
 
acrylic51

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I'm following you Corey!!!! Can you on the pics of the stand or anyone draw lines as to where it exactly needs to be measured from. I did discuss this with Flower quite extensively from inside door frame to inside of vertical support. The measurement listed was 15". That is why I chose to build the height at 14 1/2".... Being the sump could b held at an angle on end and worked into the stand an once in and on end can be positioned correctly sitting on it's bottom. I did have to go back and make adjustments on the fuge, because of my own miscalculations...,
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311969
Wow looks like you guys are off to a good start already. Nice drawings, Al!
 
Flower, just out of curriosity, when you took the measurement of the width inside the stand, which I believe is 18" wide...did you take that measurement between the two virticle supports in the middle or did you make the measurement across the bottom? The only reason I ask is because it looks like the vertical pieces are a little bit closer together than the wood pieces that run along the bottom. Reason being is that whatever Shawn builds may also have to fit between those two vertical pieces. Just wanted to be sure incase I may have missed where you made your measurements earlier in the thread.
 
Flower, are you wanting to keep using a spray bar for your return or would you like to have a new directional return for your tank? Are you farmiliar with what a loc-line return looks like?

 
 
OBOY…Am I glad you caught that! Yes I just measured the bottom NOT where those center pieces are. So that means 1 inch has to be knocked off my original measure because each is about ½ ” thick making it 17” not 18” on the inside.

I use the spray bar vertically to push water past the back area of my rock, nobody else I know even does that. Do I want or need it..

What I WANT is a healthy tank, with drop dead gorgeous corals and bright colored happy healthy fish, that all get along with each other. All for the least amount of work, money and headache…LOL..I don’t ask for much do I?.

I don’t know about the lock line return you mentioned, I will try and learn and do what you guys say…but I can’t do any plumbing. Can I attach a flex hose to it?
 
meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311933
not following Meowzer!!!! With th skimmer being an in sump there would be any need for lines or such to feed it. The skimmer pump would pick the water up that is in the sump and process it, and then out the discharge. Could possibly do a trick or 2 on the discharge, or reorienting the skimmer position would work as well. The skimmer an intake area, I would like to be a generous on space as possible, but not waste space as well.
SHAWN, the first skimmer I posted had the outflow coming straight out making it look to Flower like she would need to do some plumbing
 
I also said that an elbow could be added so the flow would point down.....(get it) :)
 
The second skimmer, the outflow IS on the bottom
 
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