Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

flower

flower

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Oh man I have to get out of here, I have to work tonight..I will check back in th morning..I'm glad all of you guys know what is what, I will look at it tomorrow. A lifter pump pulls out air????
 
Bye for now...
 
acrylic51

acrylic51

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Guys & Gals.....AllI can say at this point is incredible!!!!!!
The power of the mind and willingness to help 1 another
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U Mike, incredible work on your system and the sump and skimmer!!!!!!
That would be my choice of build for Flower, but due to the distance we all live from Flower and each other makes that kind of install hard to pull off, but keep throwing ideas and suggestions out there.....
 
Meowzer..
.I misunderstood,, what you were referring to in that previous post, and a good catch there. I might have to get you to hound the suppliers here shortly....Todd would love to talk you again!!!!! Sweet video......

 
2Quills(Corey).....Thanks buddy
. The attention to detail never fails....I hadn't noticed the supports sitting on the inside; maybe another visit to the eye dr's is in order
. Excellent break down on the pumps and overflows....I'm sure with you and Mewozer scanning and throwing parts out there we will find exactly what were looking for and the specs are more than welcome. That way it will give all the others looking, watching and learning a real view at the areas were talking about or concerned about.
 
Al&Burke.....
Thank you for the drawings, so far, and we'll be needing quite a few more as we progress here....actually sent you a PM with more requests!!!!!!! Actually having drawings, plans for the build will make it super easy for me; so I won't have to try to remember everything inside my head....I can actually print it off and work off of a hard copy....They take a lot of time to do up and we are enjoying what we've seen so far.....
 
Posiden I know you'll have some tips and advice along, the way, so whenever chime in and anyone else out there lurking!!!!!!
 
Super start guys!!!!! Flower is hard at work, but with everyone's great ideas and hard work; I'm sure this will be 1 amazing project, and hopefully everyone will walk away with something from the experience!!!!! Thanks!!!!!
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312077
No worries, Flower. I was more or less posting the equipment and prices up there to see what the other guys think. Just trying to figure out what the best equipment we could get for the price. The most important thing here I think is the skimmer. The Reef Octopuss SSS 1000xp is a good choice, and if it can be got for a good deal then that's awesome. If we can save some money there than we might be able to upgrade the pump to a Eheim Compact 3000 for a little more money, that would be great becaue they are excellent pumps. I'd like to hear the other guys input though on what size of overflow that they think would be best. Personally I'd go with the 1200GPH (gallons per hour) overflow that comes with two drain lines. The black return things, if you like them, I could put something together for you for no charge, that's up to you though. I'd be more than happy to do it with the extras that I have laying around. If you want to change up the design that I make down the road then you could totally do that. Just say yes, and consider it done!

 
The syphon thing is deffinately important to know and I'm sure we will all touch a little more on that when we get close to set-up time.

 
 
I will let you eggheads come up with equipment...I just want to know what each thing does, and you have to say on budget..
 
 
O what is in red...Oh, my what a great offer…YES! LOL…Thank you that looks so cool..I have a question, I understand using such a thing horizontal as a spray bar. Right now off of my canister I use a spray bar vertically to push water behind the rocks to make sure no detritus builds up…can a bar be created to go both ways? One direction to move surface water and the other to push water behind the rocks?… I have a 90g, it would have to have a pretty strong flow to pull it off..

But if it could be done…I could use my existing spray bar with your design to do that, if the two will connect up and a strong enough flow achieved..What do you think?
 
flower

flower

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Good morning all.

I watched the video..you bet it explained allot. It however created another question. I understand the total concept. water in one side of the system and out the other. The return as far away as possible from the overflow removing water. My question is since my refugium is designed to be on the end, not in the center...What chamber is going to do what? I know one chamber holds the skimmer, but where does the water flow from there?
 
 
al&burke

al&burke

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Hi Flower - from your overflow there will be two lines (others will verify) one going to the fuge the other to the skimmer side of the sump. The water from the fuge will then drain into the return side of the sump where your submersed return pump will be. The skimmer side of the sump will go through a series of baffles and then into the return side of the sump (return pump) I think that is what Shawn has in mind, I am sure others will explain it better. Shawn would like a 3D drawing which will help expain it better to you.
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/60#post_3312157
Hi Flower - from your overflow there will be two lines (others will verify) one going to the fuge the other to the skimmer side of the sump. The water from the fuge will then drain into the return side of the sump where your submersed return pump will be. The skimmer side of the sump will go through a series of baffles and then into the return side of the sump (return pump) I think that is what Shawn has in mind, I am sure others will explain it better. Shawn would like a 3D drawing which will help expain it better to you.

 
Okay, I think I understand..I really do! If I understand correctly, the center of the sump is the community gathering place for water to return to my DT. The baffles are to eliminate microbubbles (I HATE those)...Shawn mentioned a bubble trap..any idea how that will fit in the works?
 
 
So I need this:
CS102 = 1200GPH overflow
Dual 1" drains
9 3/8" wide
4 1/2" depth behind the tank
$107.95 - 129.99
 
Aqua lifter pump
$15
 
 
acrylic51

acrylic51

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See Flower if we break it all down into small manageable parts it will all start to slowly make some sense......
 
Al&Burke had mentioned to me about a bubble trap in the intake side of the sump section. For those that are unclear or unsure of what I was referring to it is just a small section where the water is input into the sump, which then travels to the skimmer section where the skimmer can process it. The purpose of the bubble trap is to reduce any bubbles that might flow through the overflow into the sump. The bubble trap can be filled with rubble rock (LR) or even be used to house a filter sock with some modifications, but for this purpose we'll use rubble rock.
 
The bubble trap walls would have teeth/slots cut into the bottom allowing the bubbles to be forced down and hopefully disperse/pop and then into the skimmer compartment. Excessive bubbles can/could affect the performance of the skimmer, so we want the skimmer to operate at peak at all times and no changes of the pump performance being altered or hindered.
 

 
The bubble trap is in the top right corner of this sump pic. You can see the teeth routed into the bottom of the bubble trap. The water from the DT would be fed into that chamber and then would filter its way out into where the skimmer would sit. There is also a good illustration of a skimmer stand to raise the skimmer up to get the skimmer in the correct water operating level.
 
 
u mike

u mike

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Flower here is another section of my return. If you want to go this way I have enough PVC to make it for you.Look it over talk to everyone,it is a very simple way all you will need is the tubing to go from the return pump, I also was using a flowbar on the old set up & i really dont see a huge difference with what I am using now. just remember the overflow box will take all the organic material that was floating on the top of your water away.
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by u mike http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/60#post_3312183
Flower here is another section of my return. If you want to go this way I have enough PVC to make it for you.Look it over talk to everyone,it is a very simple way all you will need is the tubing to go from the return pump, I also was using a flowbar on the old set up & i really dont see a huge difference with what I am using now. just remember the overflow box will take all the organic material that was floating on the top of your water away.


 
 

Thank you for the offer, I will keep you in mind. So much input and I have to filter it all in my head..I'm looking into a spray bar kind of set up ...I don't know if I will have enough water pressure to pull it off, I'm waiting on an experts response to see if it can be done....I was thinking of one bar vertically to push water behind the rocks to help keep detritus off and another a T off across the surface to move the water there for gas exchange..Its 48" long tank and 25" deep so that would take plenty of water flow to pull it off.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Personally I will never get rid of my flow bars....Mine are a different then Flowers only in position....mine are on each end flowing across the top.....There is not one spot of top water that doesn't move...
 
acrylic51

acrylic51

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Spray bars are nice, but if not properly designed being hole size and such, they are just extra material hanging on the tank. Not discouraging or putting spray bars down, but there is more of a science than drilling holes and putting a pump to it. Hole size angles of holes, spacing, and yes the dreaded thought of maintenance on them, because like anything they will clog to a degree and have reduced flow. Aestetics also comes into my mind as well on any design.
Alot of good ideas for you to mull over Flower!!!!!
 
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