Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

acrylic51

acrylic51

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Quote:Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311955
  I see it now..Thank You...it looks correct, except I remeasured,,, it is only 7.5 from tank to wall not 8 inches, sorry. . I sure hope Shawns (Acrylic51) idea can work with the two tanks..I can't do what U Mike did, but it looks great.
Don't worry Flower, it'll be fine!!!! The fuge and all will be setup exactly as shown in the pic, and the bulkheads will allow the fuge to drain back to the return section of the sump.
Later this evening I will post a pic of another ingenious idea I saw, but have no idea if it could be utilized on this setup, but would like it looked over as well.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311913

 
 
 
Now for post #15
Why wouldn’t you want the skimmer to have water coming out to the sump, isn’t that the way skimmers work? I have only had HOB types so be nice. I don’t understand the twist on/off valve on the first picture.
I didn't mean you did not want the water to go back into the sump.....I meant you might want to adjust the way it falls....skimmer #1 looks like the output water shoots straight out
 
Skimmer #2 the output is much lower
 
ALSO, The valves you see control the flow to the skimmer
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311969
Wow looks like you guys are off to a good start already. Nice drawings, Al!
 
Flower, just out of curriosity, when you took the measurement of the width inside the stand, which I believe is 18" wide...did you take that measurement between the two virticle supports in the middle or did you make the measurement across the bottom? The only reason I ask is because it looks like the vertical pieces are a little bit closer together than the wood pieces that run along the bottom. Reason being is that whatever Shawn builds may also have to fit between those two vertical pieces. Just wanted to be sure incase I may have missed where you made your measurements earlier in the thread.
 
Flower, are you wanting to keep using a spray bar for your return or would you like to have a new directional return for your tank? Are you farmiliar with what a loc-line return looks like?

 
The Door measures are correct...The very bottom inside is 1 inch smaller because the center brace is attached inside and sticks out 1/2 inch for each brace.

 
 
2quills

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3311985
 

 
The Door measures are correct...The very bottom inside is 1 inch smaller because the center brace is attached inside and sticks out 1/2 inch for each brace.

 
Yep, that's what I was currious about because I could tell that the center braces were attached on the inside. So is the distance between those two braces 18" or is it actually 17"? Just wanna make sure that we're all on the same page with the size constraints.
 
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3311990
Yep, that's what I was currious about because I could tell that the center braces were attached on the inside. So is the distance between those two braces 18" or is it actually 17"? Just wanna make sure that we're all on the same page with the size constraints.
 

 
Between the two center braces is 17 inches..Acrylic51 has the sump tank 16 inches so we are all good so far. Still I'm glad you caught it...it could have been a bad thing to not notice till I was trying to fit it under the stand.

 
Everyone here is so nice...it really is a kind of family.
 
 
2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/20#post_3311978
 
 
I don’t know about the lock line return you mentioned, I will try and learn and do what you guys say…but I can’t do any plumbing. Can I attach a flex hose to it?
 
 
Wow, I think I'm getting some serious delays as to the updated responses to threads tonight. All of a sudden everybodys response inbtween my 2nd and 3rd post showed up out of no where. That's why I asked for a re-confirmation on the measurements lol.
 
Any-who...Yes, the loc-line stuff is all flexible and interchangeable so you can come up with your own creation as how you want the flow from your return water to be. You can have one or multiple different kinds of flow nozzles. And yes, it can be done with flexible tubing. I'm sure you've seen them around on other people pictures but they look something like this...
 
This is how I've set mine up...but it can be done without drilling. If you would like to have something like this for your return please let me know...
 
2quills

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312037
So do you poke holes in it to get the spray bar effect????
Nope you don't poke holes. There are lots of different styles of nozzles that you can get for them. Here are a couple of more pics, I turned the ones in my tank a little bit so you can see how they will spray down into the tank. The nozzles in the middle (with the single hole) will spray out water at the surface to provide surface aggitation. They will also serve as a syphon break when the return pump gets shut off. But the nozzles on the ends will spray down into the tank. Again, there are many ways you can make them, these are just a couple that I have set up.
 
 
meowzer

meowzer

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YEAH....my sump return has a hole right above the outflow part.....I figured out once that when the pump starts, water will backflo thru it...lol.....thank goodness I was pulling water from the sump and hubby figured that out
 
I was like...WTF....Why will the water not stop coming in the sump WHERE is it coming from

 
PANIC AT 3 a.m.
 
2quills

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312044
YEAH....my sump return has a hole right above the outflow part.....I figured out once that when the pump starts, water will backflo thru it...lol.....thank goodness I was pulling water from the sump and hubby figured that out
 
I was like...WTF....Why will the water not stop coming in the sump WHERE is it coming from

 
PANIC AT 3 a.m.

lol...yeah you need to have a syphon break to prevent flood. If you're doing a hang on the back style return then most people either drill a hole and keep their returns near the surface or even out of the water all together. I was trying to think of a good way to prevent backflow when I came up with the idea to use the side flow nozzles as a syphon break. I'll just keep them at the surface and that way I can point the ones on the ends down into the tank.
 
 
2quills

2quills

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Ok, we have our sump...24"L x 14.5"H x 16"W. And out fuge...14.5"L x 18"H x 16"W. Meowzers got a good skimmer picked out. Did you guys decide yes or no on the CPR for an overflow?
 
CPR Overflows
 
CS100 = 800GPH overflow
Single 1" drain
9 3/8" wide
4 1/2" depth behind the tank
$99.95 - $119.95
 
CS102 = 1200GPH overflow
Dual 1" drains
9 3/8" wide
4 1/2" depth behind the tank
$107.95 - 129.99
 
Aqua lifter pump
$15
 
2quills

2quills

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Estimated prices for equipment before tax. Assuming we're going with a skimmer that will run approximately $280. I threw in prices for MAG pumps because they are a decent mid grade pump just to get an idea of what we're looking at.
 
CPR CS100 / 800GPH - $100
Mag 7 / 700GPH est. 5ft of head pressure = 420GPH - $80
Octo SSS 1000xp rated upto 125G - $280
Total before tax = $460
 
CPR CS102 / 1200GPH - $110
Mag 9.5 / 950GPH est. 5ft of head pressure = 750GPH - $100
Octo SSS 1000xp rated upto 125G - $280
Total before tax = $490
 
Total cost for having people on this site who care enough to help out a fellow reefer = Priceless!!!
 
meowzer

meowzer

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a lot of places do not charge tax if you buy online......and with bigger purchases you get free shipping
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312065
Ok, we have our sump...24"L x 14.5"H x 16"W. And out fuge...14.5"L x 18"H x 16"W. Meowzers got a good skimmer picked out. Did you guys decide yes or no on the CPR for an overflow?
 
CPR Overflows
 
CS100 = 800GPH overflow
Single 1" drain
9 3/8" wide
4 1/2" depth behind the tank
$99.95 - $119.95
 
CS102 = 1200GPH overflow
Dual 1" drains
9 3/8" wide
4 1/2" depth behind the tank
$107.95 - 129.99
 
Aqua lifter pump
$15

 
I have no idea what any of this is...except maybe the lifter pump??? Is that what pushes water up to the DT?
 
My knowledge is as follows...a tube goes into the tank to put clean water in, a tube takes water out to be cleaned...in between is filtration. A pump is needed to push the water to the DT...That's all know.
 
I do understand the measures to the sump and refugium, I have no idea where the skimmer will go or how water is going to get from the refugium to the sump..I have no idea where to get those black tube things with the holes, or what to call them..but they look really cool.
 
UMM..did I mention I was lost? I do understand a little about breaking the siphon with a hole so if the tank water gets too low the hole will be exposed and the water stops going to the sump...
 
2quills

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312074
 

 
I have no idea what any of this is...except maybe the lifter pump??? Is that what pushes water up to the DT?
 
My knowledge is as follows...a tube goes into the tank to put clean water in, a tube takes water out to be cleaned...in between is filtration. A pump is needed to push the water to the DT...That's all know.
 
I do understand the measures to the sump and refugium, I have no idea where the skimmer will go or how water is going to get from the refugium to the sump..I have no idea where to get those black tube things with the holes, or what to call them..but they look really cool.
 
UMM..did I mention I was lost? I do understand a little about breaking the siphon with a hole so if the tank water gets too low the hole will be exposed and the water stops going to the sump...
No worries, Flower. I was more or less posting the equipment and prices up there to see what the other guys think. Just trying to figure out what the best equipment we could get for the price. The most important thing here I think is the skimmer. The Reef Octopuss SSS 1000xp is a good choice, and if it can be got for a good deal then that's awesome. If we can save some money there than we might be able to upgrade the pump to a Eheim Compact 3000 for a little more money, that would be great becaue they are excellent pumps. I'd like to hear the other guys input though on what size of overflow that they think would be best. Personally I'd go with the 1200GPH (gallons per hour) overflow that comes with two drain lines. The black return things, if you like them, I could put something together for you for no charge, that's up to you though. I'd be more than happy to do it with the extras that I have laying around. If you want to change up the design that I make down the road then you could totally do that. Just say yes, and consider it done!

 
The syphon thing is deffinately important to know and I'm sure we will all touch a little more on that when we get close to set-up time.
 
meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/40#post_3312074
 

 
I have no idea what any of this is...except maybe the lifter pump??? Is that what pushes water up to the DT?
 
The lifter pump is for the overflo......it actually pulls the air out
 
My knowledge is as follows...a tube goes into the tank to put clean water in, a tube takes water out to be cleaned...in between is filtration. A pump is needed to push the water to the DT...That's all know.
 
I do understand the measures to the sump and refugium, I have no idea where the skimmer will go or how water is going to get from the refugium to the sump..I have no idea where to get those black tube things with the holes, or what to call them..but they look really cool.
 
The water will get to the sump from the DT thru the overflow....flow thru the sump...and the return pump (mag) will pump the water back to teh dt
 
UMM..did I mention I was lost? I do understand a little about breaking the siphon with a hole so if the tank water gets too low the hole will be exposed and the water stops going to the sump...
 
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