Flower's Sump/Fuge Build
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acrylic51
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Just get me the sizes your looking for Corey!!!!!
The bubble trap is doing it's job very well. It can be tweaked, since I didn't have tons of tubing I have it beating off the back wall of the bubble trap, causing a little more bubbling that what would normally be. The nice thing is though the run in the bubbles entering have slowed down quite a bit, and were getting nothing in the return chamber. I am running the water level high for a bit, and later tonight will lower it down a bit to 8". So far very pleased. Moving the baffles in 1/4" has had no ill affects so far. Curious to see how much I could push through the sump. Might have to dig the Mag 18 out and drive it
Flower I even threw a little rubble rock in there to make it more real!!!!!
The bubble trap is doing it's job very well. It can be tweaked, since I didn't have tons of tubing I have it beating off the back wall of the bubble trap, causing a little more bubbling that what would normally be. The nice thing is though the run in the bubbles entering have slowed down quite a bit, and were getting nothing in the return chamber. I am running the water level high for a bit, and later tonight will lower it down a bit to 8". So far very pleased. Moving the baffles in 1/4" has had no ill affects so far. Curious to see how much I could push through the sump. Might have to dig the Mag 18 out and drive it
Flower I even threw a little rubble rock in there to make it more real!!!!!
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316857
ITS ALIVE!!! Haha. Looks bad a$$ Shawn. I might have to get you to make me some overflows...or see how much your sources could ship me some black acrylic.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316860
Looks great Shawn
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316857
ITS ALIVE!!! Haha. Looks bad a$$ Shawn. I might have to get you to make me some overflows...or see how much your sources could ship me some black acrylic.
Thanks guys!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316860
Looks great Shawn
flower
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Wow! It looked at first there was only water in the bubble trap, it was like no movement anywhere else..I had to look hard to see there was water in there. I watched the video [strike]three[/strike] four times…LOL...it looks lots better with the paper off. You have to be bursting with pride, you did such a great job on it.
I googled copepods and the dark, from what could understand of what I read...they spend 90% of their time in the dark...they were measuring lateral light and technical stuff for the study. My refugium is under the cabinet..I'm sure it will be dark enough, if you want to use the darker material I'm sure it will be fine. It sounds like you just want to use heavier acrylic..You are the master builder, I am just the recipient of your generosity. I am still in shock you are building this for me, so use whatever you think best.
EDIT: LOL...make it five times I watched the video..better than TV
acrylic51
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I said every time I do something I like to push the extreme!!!!! The You Tube video was a first for me, and all the computer work done by Al&Burke is really impressive.... Not to underscore Corey's hard work and dedication. He's the master mind pulling the rabbits out of the hat..... Meowzer with awesome skimmer selection, u mike with the working pics!!!!! And everyone else who's been plugging along with awesome ideas and thoughts keeping us all on our toes..... Thanks guys!!!!
As far as the acrylic just the bottom would be a bit thicker. The walls if done in black(smoked) acrylic would be 3/8" thick as the sump.... Your choice!!!!
As far as the acrylic just the bottom would be a bit thicker. The walls if done in black(smoked) acrylic would be 3/8" thick as the sump.... Your choice!!!!
flower
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316881
I said every time I do something I like to push the extreme!!!!! The You Tube video was a first for me, and all the computer work done by Al&Burke is really impressive.... Not to underscore Corey's hard work and dedication. He's the master mind pulling the rabbits out of the hat..... Meowzer with awesome skimmer selection, u mike with the working pics!!!!! And everyone else who's been plugging along with awesome ideas and thoughts keeping us all on our toes..... Thanks guys!!!!
As far as the acrylic just the bottom would be a bit thicker. The walls if done in black(smoked) acrylic would be 3/8" thick as the sump.... Your choice!!!!
My choice??? As long as it does not cost you any more cash...go dark and leave the front panel clear so I can watch for critters in there. If the smoke is something you must pay for ...use your scrap. If you are out of scrap and have to pay anyway and clear/smoke are the same price, go for it...what do I owe you for out of pocket?
I have not forgotten how much every one of you guys have put into this project for me. Aside from out of pocket, God will have to repay each of you because I can’t. All of you are so far away and came together to help me…I have a good vocabulary but I’m at a total loss of words. I have been trying to thank each of you as you go, and comment on each part you play….
So Shawn it was your turn to be praised for your awesome acrylic work.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316881
I said every time I do something I like to push the extreme!!!!! The You Tube video was a first for me, and all the computer work done by Al&Burke is really impressive.... Not to underscore Corey's hard work and dedication. He's the master mind pulling the rabbits out of the hat..... Meowzer with awesome skimmer selection, u mike with the working pics!!!!! And everyone else who's been plugging along with awesome ideas and thoughts keeping us all on our toes..... Thanks guys!!!!
As far as the acrylic just the bottom would be a bit thicker. The walls if done in black(smoked) acrylic would be 3/8" thick as the sump.... Your choice!!!!
My choice??? As long as it does not cost you any more cash...go dark and leave the front panel clear so I can watch for critters in there. If the smoke is something you must pay for ...use your scrap. If you are out of scrap and have to pay anyway and clear/smoke are the same price, go for it...what do I owe you for out of pocket?
I have not forgotten how much every one of you guys have put into this project for me. Aside from out of pocket, God will have to repay each of you because I can’t. All of you are so far away and came together to help me…I have a good vocabulary but I’m at a total loss of words. I have been trying to thank each of you as you go, and comment on each part you play….
So Shawn it was your turn to be praised for your awesome acrylic work.
monsinour
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Do we want the fuge to be that dark? What about the macro algea down there? Its going to need light to grow and eat all the bad nitrate.
What I have done for my fuge area in my sump was to get some rubble rock and toss it in the corner of the fuge area. I then placed my macro algea on top of the rock in the attempts to make it even darker with the light on. The back and sides of my sump/fuge are made from a white material that is not permiable by light. Just the front is the clear acrylic. I run my light below opposite of the light above. I have copepods all over my DT walls, but I also know that I dont have enough of them to support a mandarin. I might have to make a more hospitible place for them in the fuge 6 months from now.
Cool working sump and definatly put the larger pump on it to see what it can do. I am sure the narrowing of the baffles will factor into just how much you can get flowing through it.
What I have done for my fuge area in my sump was to get some rubble rock and toss it in the corner of the fuge area. I then placed my macro algea on top of the rock in the attempts to make it even darker with the light on. The back and sides of my sump/fuge are made from a white material that is not permiable by light. Just the front is the clear acrylic. I run my light below opposite of the light above. I have copepods all over my DT walls, but I also know that I dont have enough of them to support a mandarin. I might have to make a more hospitible place for them in the fuge 6 months from now.
Cool working sump and definatly put the larger pump on it to see what it can do. I am sure the narrowing of the baffles will factor into just how much you can get flowing through it.
flower
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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316936
Do we want the fuge to be that dark? What about the macro algea down there? Its going to need light to grow and eat all the bad nitrate.
What I have done for my fuge area in my sump was to get some rubble rock and toss it in the corner of the fuge area. I then placed my macro algea on top of the rock in the attempts to make it even darker with the light on. The back and sides of my sump/fuge are made from a white material that is not permiable by light. Just the front is the clear acrylic. I run my light below opposite of the light above. I have copepods all over my DT walls, but I also know that I dont have enough of them to support a mandarin. I might have to make a more hospitible place for them in the fuge 6 months from now.
Cool working sump and definatly put the larger pump on it to see what it can do. I am sure the narrowing of the baffles will factor into just how much you can get flowing through it.
I wasn't planning to have macro algae in the refugium, as I understand it, the remote deep sand bed will take care of nitrates. Am I incorrect? If I decided later to add it, the dark sides would help to direct light into the refugium...It is under the tank and dark in there anyway, just a little light from the back open area from daylight.
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316936
Do we want the fuge to be that dark? What about the macro algea down there? Its going to need light to grow and eat all the bad nitrate.
What I have done for my fuge area in my sump was to get some rubble rock and toss it in the corner of the fuge area. I then placed my macro algea on top of the rock in the attempts to make it even darker with the light on. The back and sides of my sump/fuge are made from a white material that is not permiable by light. Just the front is the clear acrylic. I run my light below opposite of the light above. I have copepods all over my DT walls, but I also know that I dont have enough of them to support a mandarin. I might have to make a more hospitible place for them in the fuge 6 months from now.
Cool working sump and definatly put the larger pump on it to see what it can do. I am sure the narrowing of the baffles will factor into just how much you can get flowing through it.
I wasn't planning to have macro algae in the refugium, as I understand it, the remote deep sand bed will take care of nitrates. Am I incorrect? If I decided later to add it, the dark sides would help to direct light into the refugium...It is under the tank and dark in there anyway, just a little light from the back open area from daylight.
monsinour
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All I can say is that before I had my macro under the tank, my nitrates were around 10 to 20. When the macro was placed in the dropped to 0. They have slowly climbed back up and I am just a tad nervous about it, but I did see the difference between not having and having macro down there.
flower
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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316952
All I can say is that before I had my macro under the tank, my nitrates were around 10 to 20. When the macro was placed in the dropped to 0. They have slowly climbed back up and I am just a tad nervous about it, but I did see the difference between not having and having macro down there.
I had maco algae and it didn't do a thing...but pollute the tank, I'm still pulling it out of my power heads. You have to harvest it...otherwise it collects the nitrates then somehow adds to the problem. I also found out that macro algae fights like corals do. So you have to have only one type.
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3316952
All I can say is that before I had my macro under the tank, my nitrates were around 10 to 20. When the macro was placed in the dropped to 0. They have slowly climbed back up and I am just a tad nervous about it, but I did see the difference between not having and having macro down there.
I had maco algae and it didn't do a thing...but pollute the tank, I'm still pulling it out of my power heads. You have to harvest it...otherwise it collects the nitrates then somehow adds to the problem. I also found out that macro algae fights like corals do. So you have to have only one type.
2quills
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Macro can be very benificial. It should do a good job feeding off of the nitrates. I'll have to do some more research in that area as well...I'm not entirely sure on what would cause them to put off more of the bad stuff. I'd imagine that if some portion of it died off then perhaps it could release some of those polutants back into the tank. I would also imagine that if it's thriving though it shouldn't be a problem?
You were running yours in your tank right, Flower? Was it chaeto? I do know that chaeto does best in light that is in the 6,5000k color range. Something on the lower end of the temperature scale, a little bit closer to natural sunlight...something more like a grow light.
Chaeto provides a great place for breeding pods. I'm sure they could find some shade in there somewhere if they had to...many people run fuge lights without any problems of pods not breeding that I'm aware of. I guess one of the other benefits is that since chaeto and other macro algeas are actually algae then they more you could keep of that in the fuge then the less algae problems that you'll have to deal with in the tank. Or at least that is the impression that I've been under.
You're right though, Flower...when it's growing good it does need to be harvested/cut back once in a while.
You were running yours in your tank right, Flower? Was it chaeto? I do know that chaeto does best in light that is in the 6,5000k color range. Something on the lower end of the temperature scale, a little bit closer to natural sunlight...something more like a grow light.
Chaeto provides a great place for breeding pods. I'm sure they could find some shade in there somewhere if they had to...many people run fuge lights without any problems of pods not breeding that I'm aware of. I guess one of the other benefits is that since chaeto and other macro algeas are actually algae then they more you could keep of that in the fuge then the less algae problems that you'll have to deal with in the tank. Or at least that is the impression that I've been under.
You're right though, Flower...when it's growing good it does need to be harvested/cut back once in a while.
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317066
Macro can be very benificial. It should do a good job feeding off of the nitrates. I'll have to do some more research in that area as well...I'm not entirely sure on what would cause them to put off more of the bad stuff. I'd imagine that if some portion of it died off then perhaps it could release some of those polutants back into the tank. I would also imagine that if it's thriving though it shouldn't be a problem?
You were running yours in your tank right, Flower? Was it chaeto? I do know that chaeto does best in light that is in the 6,5000k color range. Something on the lower end of the temperature scale, a little bit closer to natural sunlight...something more like a grow light.
Chaeto provides a great place for breeding pods. I'm sure they could find some shade in there somewhere if they had to...many people run fuge lights without any problems of pods not breeding that I'm aware of. I guess one of the other benefits is that since chaeto and other macro algeas are actually algae then they more you could keep of that in the fuge then the less algae problems that you'll have to deal with in the tank. Or at least that is the impression that I've been under.
You're right though, Flower...when it's growing good it does need to be harvested/cut back once in a while.
I had Chaeto and a red Grac(someting) they were at war I guess and killed each other. I have little stands of chaeto still lodged in my power heads where it broke down and went through my little basket, and the red turned to slime. Research to find out what happened revealed that macroalgae has chemical war worse than corals.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317066
Macro can be very benificial. It should do a good job feeding off of the nitrates. I'll have to do some more research in that area as well...I'm not entirely sure on what would cause them to put off more of the bad stuff. I'd imagine that if some portion of it died off then perhaps it could release some of those polutants back into the tank. I would also imagine that if it's thriving though it shouldn't be a problem?
You were running yours in your tank right, Flower? Was it chaeto? I do know that chaeto does best in light that is in the 6,5000k color range. Something on the lower end of the temperature scale, a little bit closer to natural sunlight...something more like a grow light.
Chaeto provides a great place for breeding pods. I'm sure they could find some shade in there somewhere if they had to...many people run fuge lights without any problems of pods not breeding that I'm aware of. I guess one of the other benefits is that since chaeto and other macro algeas are actually algae then they more you could keep of that in the fuge then the less algae problems that you'll have to deal with in the tank. Or at least that is the impression that I've been under.
You're right though, Flower...when it's growing good it does need to be harvested/cut back once in a while.
I had Chaeto and a red Grac(someting) they were at war I guess and killed each other. I have little stands of chaeto still lodged in my power heads where it broke down and went through my little basket, and the red turned to slime. Research to find out what happened revealed that macroalgae has chemical war worse than corals.
acrylic51
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Hi guys!!!! back from the grave.....IPhone was destroyed about 11:30 this morning at work....that is usually how I post throughout the day.....Not suppose to, but who will tell.....The black(smoke) acrylic should have no affect on growing of macros.....The light used in the fuge area is for the macros, so the sides and such being darkening would have no affect at all IMHO.....Chaeto would be a good hiding/breeding spot for the pods to breed and congregate.
Flower your earlier post about watching the video 5 times was funny!!!! The flow is just super smooth through it....Granted only pushing roughly 600gph through it, which is about where we want to be maybe a little less, but not much more.....I'm just curious, how much I could crank through it, before I start seeing the return section filled with micro bubbles....Again the key is getting the bubbles to the top to pop.
Corey did we get Al&Burke those plumbing figures yet to be calculated????
Flower your earlier post about watching the video 5 times was funny!!!! The flow is just super smooth through it....Granted only pushing roughly 600gph through it, which is about where we want to be maybe a little less, but not much more.....I'm just curious, how much I could crank through it, before I start seeing the return section filled with micro bubbles....Again the key is getting the bubbles to the top to pop.
Corey did we get Al&Burke those plumbing figures yet to be calculated????
2quills
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317126
Hi guys!!!! back from the grave.....IPhone was destroyed about 11:30 this morning at work....that is usually how I post throughout the day.....Not suppose to, but who will tell.....The black(smoke) acrylic should have no affect on growing of macros.....The light used in the fuge area is for the macros, so the sides and such being darkening would have no affect at all IMHO.....Chaeto would be a good hiding/breeding spot for the pods to breed and congregate.
Flower your earlier post about watching the video 5 times was funny!!!! The flow is just super smooth through it....Granted only pushing roughly 600gph through it, which is about where we want to be maybe a little less, but not much more.....I'm just curious, how much I could crank through it, before I start seeing the return section filled with micro bubbles....Again the key is getting the bubbles to the top to pop.
Corey did we get Al&Burke those plumbing figures yet to be calculated????
Ouch!!!...sounds like it's time to cash in on that insurance.
What I'm thinking is that I'd like to count for at least 6.5' ft of head pressure.
Return line will be 5/8" or 3/4"...probably 5/8". It will reduce to a 1/2" pvc diy U-tube. The U-tube will have two 90 degree elbows. The elbow coming into the tank thank will be split by a "Y". And I'm probably going to pick up some 1/4" loc-line stuff. Most places don't sell it but It can be found on loc-lines website itself. Since the return is going to be split I was thinking two 1/4" lines would be a true reduction from the 5/8" or 3/4" return. As long as we have a sufficient supply of flow from the pump, then running a handfull of side flow nozzles on each side of the returns should give us some nice pressure shooting out of them. My hope is to allow her to have the kind of flow that she was innitially looking for yet still be flexible.
I don't have any drawings made up, but....Al, if you are reading this....
Since the Overflow will be on the right hand side of the tank...I'd like to see the return come in on the left side. This will allow Flower to wrap the left side of the return around and along the side of the tank. The idea is to keep them up high (along the surface) to direct the water at the surface to blow across the other side of the tank and into the over flow. And since they will be up at the surface and oriented horizontally, then they should help to serve as or assist in creating a syphon break.
The other return on the right will come down vertically into the tank, in order to act kind of in the way that Flower was using her old spray bar for, which was to dirrect flow along down the backside of the tank. And if it's designed right, then one of the side flow nozzles on this line would also be up towards the water surface to help aid in introducing air into the line almost immediately of the power gets cut to the pump.
I'd love to get a good drawing of that. But I do plan to experiment with the design a bit once I get the other parts in my hands.
So that's what I was kind of thinking, anyway. I'm always open to any questions, sugguestions or ideas...
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317126
Hi guys!!!! back from the grave.....IPhone was destroyed about 11:30 this morning at work....that is usually how I post throughout the day.....Not suppose to, but who will tell.....The black(smoke) acrylic should have no affect on growing of macros.....The light used in the fuge area is for the macros, so the sides and such being darkening would have no affect at all IMHO.....Chaeto would be a good hiding/breeding spot for the pods to breed and congregate.
Flower your earlier post about watching the video 5 times was funny!!!! The flow is just super smooth through it....Granted only pushing roughly 600gph through it, which is about where we want to be maybe a little less, but not much more.....I'm just curious, how much I could crank through it, before I start seeing the return section filled with micro bubbles....Again the key is getting the bubbles to the top to pop.
Corey did we get Al&Burke those plumbing figures yet to be calculated????
Ouch!!!...sounds like it's time to cash in on that insurance.
What I'm thinking is that I'd like to count for at least 6.5' ft of head pressure.
Return line will be 5/8" or 3/4"...probably 5/8". It will reduce to a 1/2" pvc diy U-tube. The U-tube will have two 90 degree elbows. The elbow coming into the tank thank will be split by a "Y". And I'm probably going to pick up some 1/4" loc-line stuff. Most places don't sell it but It can be found on loc-lines website itself. Since the return is going to be split I was thinking two 1/4" lines would be a true reduction from the 5/8" or 3/4" return. As long as we have a sufficient supply of flow from the pump, then running a handfull of side flow nozzles on each side of the returns should give us some nice pressure shooting out of them. My hope is to allow her to have the kind of flow that she was innitially looking for yet still be flexible.
I don't have any drawings made up, but....Al, if you are reading this....
Since the Overflow will be on the right hand side of the tank...I'd like to see the return come in on the left side. This will allow Flower to wrap the left side of the return around and along the side of the tank. The idea is to keep them up high (along the surface) to direct the water at the surface to blow across the other side of the tank and into the over flow. And since they will be up at the surface and oriented horizontally, then they should help to serve as or assist in creating a syphon break.
The other return on the right will come down vertically into the tank, in order to act kind of in the way that Flower was using her old spray bar for, which was to dirrect flow along down the backside of the tank. And if it's designed right, then one of the side flow nozzles on this line would also be up towards the water surface to help aid in introducing air into the line almost immediately of the power gets cut to the pump.
I'd love to get a good drawing of that. But I do plan to experiment with the design a bit once I get the other parts in my hands.
So that's what I was kind of thinking, anyway. I'm always open to any questions, sugguestions or ideas...
acrylic51
Active Member
Corey the way I'm reading the specs on the Eheim 3000 is the output 3/4" ? If the output is 3/4" I wouldn't reduce plumbing till I honestly had to and that would be up at the top of the tank.....I would also appear or seams that reducing it from the start might choke it a bit, and could act kind of like a venturi creating forceful flow out the nozzles????
2quills
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317185
Corey the way I'm reading the specs on the Eheim 3000 is the output 3/4" ? If the output is 3/4" I wouldn't reduce plumbing till I honestly had to and that would be up at the top of the tank.....I would also appear or seams that reducing it from the start might choke it a bit, and could act kind of like a venturi creating forceful flow out the nozzles????
I'll have to double check...I thought the 3/4" was on the suction side but it could be both. Maybe I'm still thinking of the 2000. But yeah, a descent forceful flow was kind of what I was hoping for. Flower was wanting something to help aid in keeping sand from being piled up on the back of her rocks from her gobie I think it was. But wait, wasn't the same fish that might be going to a new home??? But yes it would tend to choke the output bit.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/480#post_3317185
Corey the way I'm reading the specs on the Eheim 3000 is the output 3/4" ? If the output is 3/4" I wouldn't reduce plumbing till I honestly had to and that would be up at the top of the tank.....I would also appear or seams that reducing it from the start might choke it a bit, and could act kind of like a venturi creating forceful flow out the nozzles????
I'll have to double check...I thought the 3/4" was on the suction side but it could be both. Maybe I'm still thinking of the 2000. But yeah, a descent forceful flow was kind of what I was hoping for. Flower was wanting something to help aid in keeping sand from being piled up on the back of her rocks from her gobie I think it was. But wait, wasn't the same fish that might be going to a new home??? But yes it would tend to choke the output bit.