Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

flower

flower

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I was using the vertical to just keep the back of the rocks clean so nothing would build up...it isn't something I have to have. I like the spray at the top to move the surface water...so keep that. Going both ways will really slow the flow and not have enough kick to be useful in either direction.
The goby doesn't dump sand on the back of the rocks...sigh..and yes he is going to be finding a new home.
 
2quills

2quills

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Ok I'll double check the sizes when I get home tonight. I could have sworn that I read that those pumps come with different size adapters for whatever size hose we were using. But if I don't have to reduce the returns inside the tank then that will make things easier.
 
flower

flower

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I need some input and advice...
I was looking at the JBJ refugium light..it has two sizes 15w and 25w for my size refugium what size would I need?
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317309
I think that depends on whats going in the fuge. Is it just sand, rock, and some critters?

The only thing that needs any light is macroalgae. I was checking options. I don't know how big of a light to get for my refugium, I know the tank size from these posts but I dont know how much of a light I would need for it.
We were discussing macroalgae, and to keep the idea open. So I was wondering about the light size to see how much money that will run.
I am still debating on refugium mud...I'm thinking of taking my old sand and mixng it with the fiji mud...I then need to redo the DT with live sand OR I can get Live sand or Fiji mud and mix it with my DT sand and put part in the refugium and keep part in the DT. The goby will find a new home reguardless.
Option #2 looks like the cheapest most painless route.
LOL..I have to do something while I wait for Shawn and you guys to get the sump finished and set with plumbing. So I have turned my attention to the sand and what to do.
 
desertdawg

desertdawg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/420#post_3316306
1.) Is to run the aqua lifter 24/7 with the output hose submerged underwater in either the overflow, the tank or the sump. This will hold the siphon if the power goes off and will also ensure that the siphon begins draining immediately after the power comes on.
I've been reading this great thread and just found this post from a few days ago.
I had my output hose submerged in the tank to hold the siphon just as you described. Well let me tell you it worked way to good.
Came home to find about 20 gallons on the floor after a power outage. it took me 2 days to figure out why the DT water level was down 3 inches and it all ended up on the floor.
Power went off for 14 hours, during this time the output tube continued to suck DT water into the back side of the overflow box and down to the sump. 20 extra gallons worth... It then let the overflow siphon break so it wasn't going to start automatically again.
When the power came back on the sump pump did it's thing to empty the sump back into the DT. then it sat there sucking air for a day until I got home.
Now I just clamp off the output tube above the tank. if the power goes off the overflow siphon sometimes holds, sometimes it breaks, I don't care and the worse that happens is the sump pump sucks air until I get home. I would rather replace the pump if it gets hurt sucking air than to have 20 gallons on the floor again.
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desertdawg http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317340
I've been reading this great thread and just found this post from a few days ago.
I had my output hose submerged in the tank to hold the siphon just as you described. Well let me tell you it worked way to good.
Came home to find about 20 gallons on the floor after a power outage. it took me 2 days to figure out why the DT water level was down 3 inches and it all ended up on the floor.
Power went off for 14 hours, during this time the output tube continued to suck DT water into the back side of the overflow box and down to the sump. 20 extra gallons worth... It then let the overflow siphon break so it wasn't going to start automatically again.
When the power came back on the sump pump did it's thing to empty the sump back into the DT. then it sat there sucking air for a day until I got home.
Now I just clamp off the output tube above the tank. if the power goes off the overflow siphon sometimes holds, sometimes it breaks, I don't care and the worse that happens is the sump pump sucks air until I get home. I would rather replace the pump if it gets hurt sucking air than to have 20 gallons on the floor again.

Did you have a small hole in the hose leading from the overflow? I was told that as soon as the water dropped below that hole..the siphon breaks and you would not have the situation you discribe...when the water that holds the siphon begins again it refills the tank to the right level and the overflow continues as it should..(if I understood what I have been told)
Oh and Glad to have you aboard desertdawg...I really like your ATO idea from another thread.
 
u mike

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Flower I have a question about your stand.In the picture is that wood on the bottom where the 2 canister filters are? and is there a small center brace going across the stand.
 
desertdawg

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No hole in the hose, but when the power goes off the DT siphons into the overflow for a minute until the level drops below the overflow input. then the overflow tube usually breaks siphon out of the tank, I haven't figured out how to have it auto restart the siphon out of the tank. YET!!!
But what happened with the flood was the little tube you suck on to start the siphon was submerged in the DT, this allowed the overflow out of the tank to hold the siphon for an auto restart. Well the suck tube continued to siphon DT water into the overflow, yes it was a slow siphon but it added up to 20 gallons worth the day the power was off.
Hope this helps explain it... And I'll get you a picture of two of the ATO real soon!
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by u mike http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317347
Flower I have a question about your stand.In the picture is that wood on the bottom where the 2 canister filters are? and is there a small center brace going across the stand.

There is a 6 inch board that seperates the two sides one in the back and the other in the front, the very bottom is solid across inside. I think that's what you are asking, this is not a very good picture. It does show the inside center...hope this helps
 
flower

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desertdawg http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317350
No hole in the hose, but when the power goes off the DT siphons into the overflow for a minute until the level drops below the overflow input. then the overflow tube usually breaks siphon out of the tank, I haven't figured out how to have it auto restart the siphon out of the tank. YET!!!
But what happened with the flood was the little tube you suck on to start the siphon was submerged in the DT, this allowed the overflow out of the tank to hold the siphon for an auto restart. Well the suck tube continued to siphon DT water into the overflow, yes it was a slow siphon but it added up to 20 gallons worth the day the power was off.
Hope this helps explain it... And I'll get you a picture of two of the ATO real soon!

You need a small hole in the hose from the sump, just below the DT water level, as soon as the power goes off the back sipon created stops right there so there is no further water loss.. so the one that is preprimed to come on is not outbalanced by the water drop.
When power is restored...The pump that pushes water from the sump comes back on to refill the tank above the hole..the hose where the lifter pump is attached to comes on when power is restored at the same time and begins to send water back to the sump. The water balance continues as it should without a flood.
 
desertdawg

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I see what your saying, I'll have to put a hole in the return line from the sump, that way it doesn't siphon out 3 or 5 gallons off the DT... Maybe thats what I've been missing for the overflow to not break the U tube siphon... Thanks!!!
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Desertdawg http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317361
I see what your saying, I'll have to put a hole in the return line from the sump, that way it doesn't siphon out 3 or 5 gallons off the DT... Maybe thats what I've been missing for the overflow to not break the U tube siphon... Thanks!!!

Before you do anything...PM acrylic51 or 2Quills to double check. I confuse myself and I don't want to give the wrong information.
 
acrylic51

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Ok been missing in action and going to get back up to speed, but a siphon hole drilled into the return line was discussed by 2Quills (Corey) and a few others earlier. That is all that is needed to control the back siphon issue.
 
posiden

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3317788
Ok been missing in action and going to get back up to speed, but a siphon hole drilled into the return line was discussed by 2Quills (Corey) and a few others earlier. That is all that is needed to control the back siphon issue.
Right. Just make sure it isn't drilled to close to the surface. You don't want it to suck in air. Also make that little hole part of your maintenance check. If it ever becomes plugged or smaller in size, it is possible for the siphon to continue even though air is being introduced.
Granted, It would need to be a small hole but......years of neglect will allow that to happen. Also, when recommending this to others, I like to add that 2 holes is a good idea. Just for that 1 in a billion chance, that a snail would park over the top of it when all he!! broke loose.
 
2quills

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Hey, Flower!
I havent forgoten about ya. Been real busy this weekend trying to get some work done on my stand inbetween having friends over friday and yesterday and then a birthday party today...it's been crazy. I have some family flying in next month so I really wanted to try and make some headway on my build this weekend. Lucky I have tommorow off to I'm hoping to finish making the doors to the stand.
Yeah, I'm just waiting for a positive on what pump we are getting for the return. The Eheim Compact 3000 can fit either 5/8" or 3/4" hose. 5/8" would be a tight fit, but 3/4" will be easier for you to put on so we'll probably use that if we do get that pump. Making the return won't be a problem either way. I do need to put in an order for a few things from the loc-line website for myself and I'm going to add in a couple of extra nozzles for what I'll need to finish yours up for ya.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/500#post_3318043
Hey, Flower!
I havent forgoten about ya. Been real busy this weekend trying to get some work done on my stand inbetween having friends over friday and yesterday and then a birthday party today...it's been crazy. I have some family flying in next month so I really wanted to try and make some headway on my build this weekend. Lucky I have tommorow off to I'm hoping to finish making the doors to the stand.
Yeah, I'm just waiting for a positive on what pump we are getting for the return. The Eheim Compact 3000 can fit either 5/8" or 3/4" hose. 5/8" would be a tight fit, but 3/4" will be easier for you to put on so we'll probably use that if we do get that pump. Making the return won't be a problem either way. I do need to put in an order for a few things from the loc-line website for myself and I'm going to add in a couple of extra nozzles for what I'll need to finish yours up for ya.

Glad all is well and I didn't think I was forgotten. Just seemed the thread just stopped with no activity at all from anyone. Did we miss YOUR Birthday or was it someone elses in the family?
I think I can up my budget another $100.00, that should help on the parts department. So figure the budget now $600.00...Ah well, time to get ready for work...
 
flower

flower

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Corey what am I supposed to order?



I found these on line:

Ehiem Universal water pump


#1046 $59.95
1046 Universal Hobby Pump Specifications:
* Output GPH: 80
* Head Height: 4 ft.
* Power Watt: 5W
* Intake: 1/2"
* Outlet: 1/2"
* Dimensions: 4" x 5.8" x 3”
#1048 $69.95
1048 Universal Hobby Pump Specifications:
* Output GPH: 160
* Head Height: 6 ft.
* Power Watt: 10W
* Intake: 1/2"
* Outlet: 1/2"
* Dimensions: 4.5" x 5.8" x 4.75”
#1250 $94.95
1250 Universal Hobby Pump Specifications:
* Output GPH: 320
* Head Height: 6.5 ft.
* Power Watt: 28W
* Intake: 3/4"
* Outlet: 1/2"
* Dimensions: 4.75" x 7" x 3.75”
#1260 $149.95
1260 Universal Hobby Pump Specifications:
* Output GPH: 640
* Head Height: 12 ft.
* Power Watt: 65W
* Intake: 1"
* Outlet: 3/4"
* Dimensions: 6.25” x 8.5” x 4.5”
#1262 $169.95
1262 Universal Hobby Pump Specifications:
* Output GPH: 910
* Head Height: 12 ft.
* Power Watt: 80W
* Intake: 1"
* Outlet: 3/4"
* Dimensions: 6.25 x 8.5 x 4.5”
Then there is the right overflow:
$115.95
CS100 Specifications:
* Flow Rate: 800gph
* Outflow Size: 1" Bulkhead
* Width: 9 3/8"
* Dimensions: A: 7.5", B: 9", C: 1.75", D:1 3/8", E: 4.5" , F: 5 1/8", G: 9.25", H: 6", I: 3.25", J: 3 1/8", K: 3.75"
DELUXE PACKAGE Includes:
*CS100 Siphon Overflow box
* Acrylic Lid
* Aqua-Lifter Pump

Or This one?
$123.95

CS102 Specifications:
* Flow Rate: 1,200gph
* Outflow Size: 2 x 1" Bulkheads
* Width: 9 3/8"
* Dimensions: A: 7 3/8", B: 8 7/8", C: 1 3/8", D: 1.5", E: 4 3/8" , F: 5 1/8", G: 9.25", H: 6", I: 3.25", J: 3 1/8", K: 3 5/8"
DELUXE PACKAGE Includes:
*CS102 Siphon Overflow box
* Acrylic Lid
* Aqua-Lifter Pump
 
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