Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
Wow.....I'm just speechless. I don't usually come into the DIY threads, and when I saw this my jaw dropped. I'm so amazed that everyone from so many corners of the US can come together and do this for an internet friend..... just because she needs it. I'm a little ashamed that I didn't see this earlier. All I can say is that you guys all totally ROCK.Flower, I loved your poem. How is the little one? No, i admit I didn't read all 50-whatever pages in the space of a couple minutes, but I'll be going back to see the whole drama about the %$#*%(ing UPS issue. What a great holiday story, and I have to say.....Flower, you DEFINITELY deserved this treat!
OK, I guess I wasn't speechless after all. ;-)
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1140#post_3330028
Wow.....I'm just speechless. I don't usually come into the DIY threads, and when I saw this my jaw dropped. I'm so amazed that everyone from so many corners of the US can come together and do this for an internet friend..... just because she needs it. I'm a little ashamed that I didn't see this earlier. All I can say is that you guys all totally ROCK.Flower, I loved your poem. How is the little one? No, i admit I didn't read all 50-whatever pages in the space of a couple minutes, but I'll be going back to see the whole drama about the %$#*%(ing UPS issue. What a great holiday story, and I have to say.....Flower, you DEFINITELY deserved this treat!
OK, I guess I wasn't speechless after all. ;-)

LOL...It is pretty amazing, and it is nearly 60 pages. It will be a book by the time it’s over.
My "little one" is 33 years old. She is still in a great deal of pain and they have her on delodin (spelling?) Tests are being done; she is out of the hospital as of last night and is at my house in Illinois. I am going to take her home this weekend. Her doctor has more tests he wants to do, but up in Wisconsin where she lives. They fear cervical cancer, which I hope the test turns out negative. She is very much afraid and right now pretty doped up to ease the pain.
I can't think of a single thing I have ever done in my life to "deserve" the wonderful gift and the kindness I have found from the people here on the site. Frankly I feel a bit unworthy and very undeserving. Even if I could pay for all the materials it wouldn't cover the effort and work everyone put into the project.
They are all heroes. That's right..out and out hero’s with hearts of gold. I really hope we can manage to meet in a central place. My arms will be sore from all he hugs I want to deal out. LOL...I have to revise my poem, Monsinour isn't hand delivering, at least at the moment...at least I gather from the last updates...Since it is already two pages long, I'm going to wait for the end to put it all together. It will be easier to read the story as a poem than going through all the posts.
If you do go back trough...be sure to look at the pictures and the videos. You will be blown away at all the work these folks have done.
 

slice

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1120#post_3329980
So I am not driving then, OK. I hope all goes well with shipping this via Fed Ex. I also agree that the shipping gorillias work for both companies and dont even try to use airborne
The package is to allow options. UPS delivers, you deliver, pack mule, whatever.
The consideration of packaging is the distribution environment. Do you ever look at the details of your online purchase delivery via
UPS.com? UPS ground from the west coast to here may have 7 hops or more. Each hop is 2 opportunities for some numbnut to
drop/throw your package.
If you look at the package performance simulation (unauthorized) posted earlier, you will note it is for 1 drop. Usually a single
pack is designed for 2-5 drops on each face/corner/edge. I ignnored that because the inner pack is overpacked and leaning towards
the extreme. With some reservation, I did not want the "dim weight" to be too expensive.
If you deliver, you can throw it in the back of your truck, let it pinball all the way there without worry. Opportunity to fail=2.
I like those odds.

Actually, overnight freight lessens the opportunity to fail with fewer hops.
My first post here was political in nature. I did not envison that. Now I'm talking shop....go figure.
This thread is a sump and fuge building thread, it is not about packaging.
Lets stay on topic, please.
Thanks
oh, the design is for protection against angry monkeys, not gorillas...
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1140#post_3330060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1120#post_3329980
So I am not driving then, OK. I hope all goes well with shipping this via Fed Ex. I also agree that the shipping gorillias work for both companies and dont even try to use airborne
The package is to allow options. UPS delivers, you deliver, pack mule, whatever.
The consideration of packaging is the distribution environment. Do you ever look at the details of your online purchase delivery via
UPS.com? UPS ground from the west coast to here may have 7 hops or more. Each hop is 2 opportunities for some numbnut to
drop/throw your package.
If you look at the package performance simulation (unauthorized) posted earlier, you will note it is for 1 drop. Usually a single
pack is designed for 2-5 drops on each face/corner/edge. I ignnored that because the inner pack is overpacked and leaning towards
the extreme. With some reservation, I did not want the "dim weight" to be too expensive.
If you deliver, you can throw it in the back of your truck, let it pinball all the way there without worry. Opportunity to fail=2.
I like those odds.

Actually, overnight freight lessens the opportunity to fail with fewer hops.
My first post here was political in nature. I did not envison that. Now I'm talking shop....go figure.
This thread is a sump and fuge building thread, it is not about packaging.
Lets stay on topic, please.
Thanks
oh, the design is for protection against angry monkeys, not gorillas...

If it can't hold up to the gorilla...we may indeed need Monsinour to make the trip after all. I don't think an angry monkey could break that sump, I could take a hammer to it and not do that much damage. If it were to get broken again in transit. I couldn't take the stress..I would give up for sure.
As for staying on topic. Packaging and delivery is on topic. We have also discussed skimmers, plumbing, ATO units and holding tanks, everything to do with the creation and use of the sump/refugium, including the pumps and tiny critters that live in the sand. The delivery and the packaging is all included because how else can it get to me?
 

slice

Active Member
OK
Imagine a marine on a ridge calling for a mortar strike.
Imagine his buddies were under fire.
Imagine his rounds were damaged from improper packaging.
My world.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
It's an artillery round fired from something similar to a canon, but not the old style canon....You see them utilized in Vietnam movies a lot. Trust me it's a sound you'd never forget when fired. I don't mind being up range when it's fired, but down range.........
....They just ruin your day rather quickly

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1140#post_3330202

LOL...I can't imagine, I don't do the war thing...what exactly is a mortar?
my world.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Ok.....Things are starting to move along. Again want to thank all you guys and gals for all your support....You know who you are!!!!!

I was getting a little impatient, as most of you know patients isn't one of my best traits, and especially when I'm still a little hot under the collar, but hey things happen for a reason I guess????
I paid a visit to my buddies shop today, and he asked me if I forgot what day it was, and I just laughed. I said I was playing hooky today from work, and needed to do something fun and exciting...He got that look on his face and he knew what I was after....I have to give a big "shout out" to both Matt and Tom of Grim's Plastic. They were right in the middle of a big production run and stopped everything they were doing, to get me moving....I guess I'm going to have to do something nice for these guys during the holidays??? They both live down the street from my in-laws, so they wouldn't think much about seeing me in the neighborhood. Actually they might run when they see me figuring I need something in a rush.
As I had told Flower, but not in so many words, that we were going to get things rolling along, and the pace would be fast and furious. I honestly love working under pressure, and damn does it feel good.....I had Matt & Tom prep all the pieces by running them over the jointer. You do get a nice finished edge on your pieces that way, but when I got home old habits are hard to break. Each panel recieved a wet/dry sanding by hand before the building would begin.
Here's a couple pics of the Flowers Sump 2 being rebuilt.....There will be a little change, but I won't say what is we'll see if anyone notices any difference between the 2 finished pics.....And here we go!!!!!!!


Start of the first side panel being glued into place.....

2nd side panel going into place....I was a little poor on my measurements to Matt, and the front and back panels where a little long, but rather have them longer than needed instead of to short. The side panel was glued at 24" to stay within the original drawings by Al.....Again thanks Al for those drawings, saved my butt....had to go back to page 8 and dig them up.......

Sorry about all the junk in the pic...I work best with clutter....And no Meowzer!!!!! Before you ask the little pink sewing basket in the background isn't mine....It's my daughters, had to still some pins for the gluing of the panels. Yes this time I did use the pin method....Pissed me off, when I spun it around, I realized I hadn't pulled 1 of the pins completely out, but I managed to get it out with damaging or destroying the glue joint......

In this pic you can kind of see why I like to wet/dry sand the edges before I glue up....It almost gives the edge a mirror finish even without polishing......Takes time, but it's sexy when finished!!!!

This pic is just showing the overhang of the acrylic that has to be trimmed off once where complete. I usually do cut the bottom oversize.

The overhang on the front and back panels....If I was accurate with my measurements, there wouldn't have been any hangover.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
I hope you guys didn't think I would slack off and be satisfied with the progress yet are you?????
I did have to stop for a couple cups of coffee. More progress!!!!!


Sorry might be a little out of sequence, but this is the bottom panel being shimmed, and glued into place.

Bottom glued into place, and I put the overhang on 1 side....The pic is deceiving, and made me look twice after I had glued it to make sure I didn't goof, but If I put all the overhangs on one side would have been tough trimming everything flush on the router table, and it made it easier for me to correct my generous measurements.

The sump is 1/2 complete at this point!!!!!!


As you can see I kept moving along since all parts are here....I started the mock up of where the middle baffle would go. I decided to put the middle baffle in first, because it's basically easier so you can get to the joint without the other 2 baffles in your way....

Baffle is glued into place...Again you can see that the wet/dry sanding has already started putting a glass like finish to the edges.....
At this stage, the sump is actually in the garage, being leak tested. I only have about 4" of water in it, but wanted to do an initial leak test before I add the other baffles. If there were any issues with leaks, it is easier to correct at this point, then with the other 2 baffles installed. Been sitting for about 2hrs and no issues, but will let it sit 24hrs, before the other baffles are glued into place.
 

monsinour

Active Member
Basically ask a man what his favorite tool is and be prepared to hear a 2 hour story of how that tool saved his life/saved him loads of $ on a job.
 
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