Holy crap... just ordered a pair of moorish idols!!

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by petjunkie
http:///forum/post/2784335
If your on -- at all there's a long thread on idols, I wouldn't bother buying ornamental sponges as they normally only eat certain kinds, not just sponges in general. The guy with the most success went out diving and brought back natural food for his. They really are next to impossible to keep though and I can't quite understand why everybody thinks they will have better luck. Even if they are eating they still die.

Originally Posted by Bang Guy

http:///forum/post/2784336
I wish you the best of luck with the new pair. But please, if they don't survive try to resist replacing them.
I respect each of your opinions. In 20+ years of keeping SW fish I have never tried an idol because I didn't feel I could provide an suitable aquarium for it to have a chance at survival. I now feel that I have a setup that can handle these guys and I will spend the money and effort necessary to do all that I can to keep them. If after everything, I lose these idols then I will never try one again. However I do feel that many people with the opinion that they cannot be kept may not have personal experience with them. Watching hundreds of idols dying because ignorant people throw them into 55 gallon tanks does not necessarily mean that they are impossible to keep.
It's definitely possible that these guys may not work out. I know that going into the situation. But I want to see for myself if it can be done in my setup. We'll see what happens.
 

spiderwoman

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784266
Spider... I'd love that if you'd be willing to ship. My LR is very established and does have some sponge on it but I will need more. Let me know if we can work something out. I'd really appreciate it.

I wish I could :(
I don't have any LR pieces that I'd approve to replace half of the rock in the 75. One piece with a hammer coral on it has now developed pink sponge on it.
I can scrape a lot of natural sponge for you from my refugium and send that over. It could take off in your refugium if you have a lot of nutrients in your water. Will scraped sponge survive?
 

n8ball2013

Member
I have met a guy who has idols in his tank. he said in order to get them to eat he would smash the food into the rocks so when they were picking at the rock thjey would get some of it too. Hes had them for over a yr so it looks like it works.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by n8ball2013
http:///forum/post/2784501
I have met a guy who has idols in his tank. he said in order to get them to eat he would smash the food into the rocks so when they were picking at the rock thjey would get some of it too. Hes had them for over a yr so it looks like it works.
Sounds like a very good idea. Thanks.
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784525
Sounds like a very good idea. Thanks.

There's a couple of guys I know in our local reef club that have Idols. One of them said he got his Idol to start eating regularly with live Green Lip Mussels from the grocery store.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784352
I respect each of your opinions. In 20+ years of keeping SW fish I have never tried an idol because I didn't feel I could provide an suitable aquarium for it to have a chance at survival. I now feel that I have a setup that can handle these guys and I will spend the money and effort necessary to do all that I can to keep them. If after everything, I lose these idols then I will never try one again. However I do feel that many people with the opinion that they cannot be kept may not have personal experience with them. Watching hundreds of idols dying because ignorant people throw them into 55 gallon tanks does not necessarily mean that they are impossible to keep.
It's definitely possible that these guys may not work out. I know that going into the situation. But I want to see for myself if it can be done in my setup. We'll see what happens.
You've been in the hobby long enough to remember when SPS corals were considered "impossible". The solution we know now seems simple but we didn't know then; Strong current, intense lighting, and low phosphate water.
There may be a simple solution to Idols. If there is I expect you to find it
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2784566
There may be a simple solution to Idols. If there is I expect you to find it

Well that's a lot of pressure to put on a person. I think with my combination of a high quality undergravel filter, some good crushed coral, bio balls and incandescent lighting, my chances for success are strong.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784582
Well that's a lot of pressure to put on a person. I think with my combination of a high quality undergravel filter, some good crushed coral, bio balls and incandescent lighting, my chances for success are strong.


Don't forget the Aqua-Ecolizer!
 

spiderwoman

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784582
Well that's a lot of pressure to put on a person. I think with my combination of a high quality undergravel filter, some good crushed coral, bio balls and incandescent lighting, my chances for success are strong.

I had to do a double take on that comment
 
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arlene1995

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I think with my combination of a high quality undergravel filter, some good crushed coral, bio balls and incandescent lighting, my chances for success are strong.

LOL

Wow! What an endeavor! Your 450 will pobably be suitable for them, at least, one heck of a lot more suitable than a 55... Hope everything works out!
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2784653
Don't forget the Aqua-Ecolizer!
I wouldn't have a tank without an Eco-Aqualizer; but I'm not going to start that again!
IMO &IME; the secret to idols is just getting them to eat in the first place. I had one that refused everything for over a week, then finally ate a live clam, pried open. He then lived for almost 10 years. Once eating, they will eat anything. The sponge based angel foods are great. So are Formula I & II. Variety & vitamins are essential. I know the rep of these fish, and again IMO & IME; once eating, they are not that difficult. Assuming pristine water and no bullies. They ignore every other fish and like to be left alone as well.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2784711
I wouldn't have a tank without an Eco-Aqualizer; but I'm not going to start that again!
IMO &IME; the secret to idols is just getting them to eat in the first place. I had one that refused everything for over a week, then finally ate a live clam, pried open. He then lived for almost 10 years. Once eating, they will eat anything. The sponge based angel foods are great. So are Formula I & II. Variety & vitamins are essential. I know the rep of these fish, and again IMO & IME; once eating, they are not that difficult. Assuming pristine water and no bullies. They ignore every other fish and like to be left alone as well.
It's great to hear a success story like this. Can you tell me what kind of clam you used?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2784653
Don't forget the Aqua-Ecolizer!
And the table salt, it naturally doses your tank with iodine when you use it instead of instant ocean.
A lfs in houston had one in one of their reef tanks, they are a truely spectacular fish.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2784739
So Crimsy, what is your game plan.... sorry if I missed it in there.....
Well, I'm going to get the fish (hopefully) alive. Acclimate them, put them in the tank, feed them often and hope they live.... in a nutshell.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2784727
It's great to hear a success story like this. Can you tell me what kind of clam you used?
Just a cherrystone clam from the grocery store. I feed them often. Just pry open, or whack with a hammer, rinse juices and toss it in. Remove leftovers (should be nothing but shell, all fish seem to love them) after a couple hours. Oh yeah, you're on the right track, they do need to be fed often.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2784731
And the table salt, it naturally doses your tank with iodine when you use it instead of instant ocean.
But the table salt has potassium chloride (or something like that as a flow agent
) I can take the heat on the magic magnet tube; but still love them.
 

myerst22

Member
I am a bit upset to see everyone congratulating someone for purchasing fish that almost doomed to perish within the first couple of months. I don't mean to attack you and wish the fish all the luck in the world, but buy a fish with an almost guaranteed early death sentence. I am all about trying to keep difficult fish but again these fish need to be left on the reefs. Why not get some Heniochus, almost identical and extremely hardy
. Tim
 
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